I figured that.
I wasn't certain if he was going with the blue sleeving and going the extra mile to make certain the wires wouldn't show threw it :yepp:
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Thanks SO much for all the kind words guys :) XS is my home for a lot of reasons but one of the big ones is that you guys are the most responsive and all around best crowd on the net!
As Zanz has said, I will no be sleeving any wires in this build ;) just blue tidy wires for me :yepp: I have some more (kind of expensive) tricks for making them look the part of this build :yepp:
So I got fittings from Sidewinder in the other day - here is the results :up:
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/2571/flowyo6268.jpg
http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/1583/flowyo6275.jpg
http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/1107/flowyo6280.jpg
<3 performance-PCS :up:
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/5977/flowyo6283.jpg
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/6202/flowyo6285.jpg
http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/2351/flowyo6289.jpg
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/2301/flowyo6293.jpg
return of the hedgehog!
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good job Ian! i see you will be connecting those 4890 blocks in parallel?
Aawww! your pics looks delicious! Awesome! I guess you got the air blower standby ... no dust capture! Good job!
:up: :eek:
hoho amazing!! Just don't really understand the way it's supposed to work, with these 2 CrossX connectors... :up:
Nice progress, Ian. Love the GPU pics.
Looking forward to your other tricks with the PSU wires. I experimented with the bare wire approach as well, but wasn't quite able to get the look I wanted.
Love it S_D. Is that a smudge on that BP fat boy barb? :p: ;)
There's always a critic hey :D
Looking forward to more photos, keep up the good work :up:
Just wondering one thing TS, sniipe_dogg = windwithme?... :)
yessir :) parallel seemed perfect for this build to me... IDK why but I have an innate itch to give it a go
:p: no ....... :rofl:
the one big thing is getting the wires to stay with each other and I most definietly can't use zip ties :rolleyes: I have a more blingy way to go about it, might run me broke but certainly more blingy :p:
Thanks Joe, you pics are quite nice too, love the personal design MM spinoff your building :up:
Yep ... I even experimented with a bit of glue to stick them together (making my own Corsair-type modular cables). Didn't come out too well :rofl: Now I can just wait for you to come up with the answer and copy you! (I will, of course, give proper credit).Quote:
he one big this is getting the wires to stay with each other and I most definietly can use zip ties I have a more blingy way to go about it, might run me broke but certainly more blingy
:rofl: thanks for quoting me charles, that way I noticed my terrible typos in that one that changed its meaning completely...
the one thing that is nice about this wire I got is that it has double thick insulation so it stays smooth as far as curves go. Normal wire is far to succeeptible to small bends and imperfections. This is 20awg wire but it is as thick on the outside as 18awg.
and thanks for the compliments as well :yepp: :toast:
I'll be sure to document my solution well for ya Sharon :) :up:
Can't wait to see what you have come up with S_D
Love the updates.
One question - was that just normal wire you just replace? did you crimp the ends, how?
Has it got to be a certain wire?
im really excited to see what you come up with in terms of wire management sniipe
i can think of 3 approaches
- old school tidy - no sleeving, but using case holes and cable ties and cable re-routing to its maximum to make as few cables visible as possible
- cable sleeving - if you cant hide them, make them look sexy, MDPC and MurderMod etc.. really helped this trend come along
- zero cable - probably the hardest to do, use custom ribbon cables and directly solder them to the pins on the underside of your MB effectively making cables, plugs and wires totally disappear.... graphics cards might be more of a challenge...
from your clues and constant references to bling, i am guessing your going to "sleeve" you cables with diamonds and platinum rings ..... am i right? lol
the whole point of using all blue wire is no sleeving at all, but I assure you it will be extremely tidy. I found what I needed to do the wire management at a price that is doable. If I install the wire scheme I have now with no sleeving and it doesnt look the part, then I am sure nils can help me out with some colored sleeving ;)
Beautiful sniipe, can't wait to see your take on cable management. :up:
Make those wires invisible snipe. I keep on looking at your pics, like it so much!
That macro lens superb ... gonna to grab one for myself.
As many others I really enjoy your photographs, I would say that is what really sets this log apart from the rest of the nice build logs :up:
To all that admires your photo hardware the background and the lightning is what really makes the difference, appart from the eye for smal details, but you cant buy that.
Looking forward to the final results, and its nice to see one build for the red team.
I believe it was Tesla that tried the whole "lets transfer power without wires!" idea with his Tesla tower...
not sure if it's such a good idea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wardenclyffe_Tower
Sniiipeee ... don't hide behind that camera. All I am really looking for is in the reflections ... I want to see you!!! :help:
lol I have a facebook and I am in the XS group its pretty easy to find me
I am not used to modern technology. :D The guy with the sleeve around the neck and the girl in the red heatshrink?
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref...gid=2227820355 <<< that one :up:
http://www.facebook.com/people/Ian-Helmar/1243650050
:) As Sniipe said, very easy to find in the XS group, he was the first Ian name I found!
i'm liking this a lot, i think im going to be doing a very similar build when i leave the core 2 world.
Side Note...
Lighting setup shots FTW, 5D MKII FTW! *gets on bhphoto and searches for a brollybox*
I found you! I found you!!! I think..... :D
Great work Sniipe. Can't take my eyes of than one you have up on MDPC right now. :)
Keep up the good work!
Btw, what hose-clamps are you going to use? Struggeling to find some myself. When I hear what you are buying, I'm pretty damn shure it's good lookin. :p:
Thanks LB,
I am gonna be doing 3/8" tubing over 1/2" barbs, no clamps required :) in fact, once it sets 3/8" over 1/2" needs to be cut off the barb :p:
question for you all, what do you think of these 2 fonts as a major feature in the case (intentionally vague) as in which one is better ;)
http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/774...ingservice.png
http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/3581/flow.jpg
i am kinda leaning to the first design Ian, wonder what the rest of the XS-ers would think...
http://img55.imageshack.us/img55/774...ingservice.png
A guy at work sent these links out after seeing them at a convention:
www.powercastco.com
www.powerbyproxi.com
Pretty interesting... maybe Tesla was onto something...
First one is alot nicer Ian!
First one
First one S_D
hehe, thanks for the input guys I agreed with you all for the most part, but looking around the web randomly right now I have found a new style I want to ask you all about, but first I must draw it in solidworks because PRO-E sketcher isnt as cooperative as I would like it to be. I will use the first font of course if this one I'm drawing doesnt work out ;)
Well, like everyone else I like the first one far more. I think however the comparison between the two is biased in some vague manner, simply because they're not both black on white or blue on gray and of the same size... that way it would be far easier to tell I bet.
Where do you get your fonts on the net? I got a stash I could zip you if interested.
Oh, I was curious SNiiPE, what video card(s) do you use Solid Works with and which version do you have?
Agreed with the colors. As for typefaces, dafont.com seems to be the best place for free ones. If anyone is really interested in typefaces I HIGHLY suggest looking at ITC ones. Underware is also a decent type foundry (and one of my personal favorites).
@Sniipe
Neither until you fix the kerning on the "F"s :shakes:. I heard that there were lots of issues getting script type cut :shrug:. The same source suggest monotype corsiva if you must use a script type. Personally I think good sans serif type would be better, but that might just be me.
Yeah well the font is for a cutout so I didnt think color mattered :p: the more i ponder it in my head the more I think I will be using this design I came up with in my head... I drew it out in PRO-E and as I drew it I accidentally designed the O and the W in FLOW as one continuous letter and I was like "holy crap how the f*** did I do that? It looks perfect!". So I will show that to you guys later tonight ;)
If you have a lot of fonts I would gladly have a look over them, I don't have any on my comp right now and the one that you all like is gonna cost me $25 :rolleyes:
For solidworks I have only used my 4870x2 and it runs great on that card even though it isnt a workstation model :shrug: At work I run PRO/E on a FirePRO v8700 which is amazingly fast in the program. I run solidworks 2008 and its real good, I have not seen SW 2009 but I think I remember someone mentioning to me that it has compatibility issues or something- I would look into it before buying that version.
325 Fonts all Starting w/ The Letter A (http://www.yaxis.net/files/A.zip) .... I thought I had them all on my server (guess I'll have to sort for more later). Anyway, they can also be freely downloaded at acidfonts.com ... one by one.
I need to find out if the FirePRO v8700 will work with my Four x 4870x2 GPGPU machine.... I can see some potential driver headaches. Guess I'll hit up the ATI Dev forums yet again. Ohh.. when I say work "with" I guess I don't really mean work in concert, just coexist nicely. That is, when I want to fire up SolidWorks on the 30" it knows to utilize the FirePRO v8700 and when I want to crunch some crazy stream cycles with whatever code no conflicts will arise there either.
Thanks for the tip concerning SolidWorks 2009, I'll look into that and do show newer image ASAP. :up:
arghh... I should get a Wacom.
I love solidworks sketcher :)
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/9422/flowcutlogo.jpg
I like it! very slick
I like it Ian. However I have one concern.......
What will people think when they go up to it and look at it without knowing it's "project flow". You know.
Stand back and look at the way the word looks and pretend you are some basement dwelling kid that likes how sic your computer is. What are they going to read that as?
I like the way the word flows (you like that don't ya :P) But you may want to make the o and w two different letters on there instead of 1.5.
Just a suggestion and something to throw out there.
While I agree that yes it kinda looks like AO or something weird if you dont know its called flow, I designed it for the exact purpose it serves - to fit with flow and the build ;)
also I like it :)
Infinitely better type :up:. Maybe, slightly less space between the F and the L, but otherwise very nice. I think the W could be changed slightly to make it look more like a W though. This is more just nitpicking though, the final design looks very nice. I am glad you went with sans serif type instead of script. It reminds me a lot of the Gran Turismo "GT".
The "O" and the "W" remind me of this:
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/1429/waveparticle.jpg
One of my favorite typographical examples.
That is damn smooth SNiiPE! :up:
thanks guys :) and faster you seem to be quite the font guru :cool:
Cable management arrived - in 100% pure sterling silver fashion to boot :D
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8028/silverring6299.jpg
oooh BLING!
CAN THOSE FIT INTO MY FINGER?!:eek:
thanks kibbler :)
so here is a quick shot of the wire managment installed, I have more rings on their way to me now ;)
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/1...gmount6303.jpg
quite some dust in there :D
and yah, the blue cables are fantastic! Also, and as always, excellent pictures ;)
Nice, where's the heatshrink? haha, j/k.
That is a slick cable management solution. Only thing that sucks about using bare wire is the writing on it, but i can only see the writing on a few wires. :up:
I like the new graphic. That is a talking point though. Instead of people just walking by and looking at, they will stop and ask what it says :yepp:
Looking forward to more updates, Flow is going to be the talk of the dorms in the fall and i have a feeling you bout to have another MDPC on your hands :yepp:
SNiiPE Wars Episode VI - Return of the Dust! :D
don't mind my ranting Ian, but are those silver rings gonna come in difference sizes for the different wires in this build? anyway, glad to see that besides mdpc-x, there are other ways to add the 'bling' factor to your builds as well! :p:
:p: IDK about that, but I did write a "book" on the subject. You guys should see the syllabus from my introductory typography class. It was 30 pages long of almost entirely vocab + things to not do. I won't get into my higher level classes :p:.
Man, so sexy. I am very much looking forward to this build.
that Flow modeling lettering looks really slick.
The ring idea was very creative! Coming along nicely... :up:
but wait! why did you choose silver rams? it would look beter in blue though (or maybe im missing something?); any case updates soon? :)
edit: ok, i get it - didnt see those enzotech cooling things :D
Thanks man :) thats what I get for taking pictures at 5:15 am :brick: dust! :rofl:
Yeah, the wire is luckily labeled in silver and not black so at least its a low contrast between the blue and the writing :up: The graphic is gonna make its way into a watermark form soon (when I get done with tsaroth's fan grill design ;))
Also I am a brother of Pi Kappa Alpha so no dorms for me - sweet dirty drunken filth :rofl:
Yes the rings are coming in different sizes, I ordered more on friday - one thing that is definitely coming in a different size after this build is said and done is my wallet :D
Thanks, I am glad so many like it :)
I hope I can make live up to your wildest expectations :up: thanks :toast:
Thanks voigts :up:
cheers, and thanks Blizzy
ah yes I have the copper enzotech unicorn's but they certainly wont be copper when installed - Nickel plating all up on 'em
So I spent some quality time vgetting to know the v2110b today - unfortunately we had a disagreement and it lost (this is an example of why I really need to set up a bigger set for taking full case pics ;)):
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/4149/2110exo0006.jpg
seriously though that Lian-Li quality is superb :shocked:
It is isn't it. So where are you sticking your rads in this case? Bottom and ????
Yea i just got the Lian Li PC-v351 for my crunching box and i'm really impressed by it. It's really sad that I am not planning on putting this on water, but I still scoped the case out for WC ;)
WC seems to be a hard habit to kick when you start :shakes:
I'm facing the same issue. I'm going to hang two sheets of formica side by side today to see how visible the line is. I have a feeling that even if it's nearly invisible it's still going to drive me to finding wider sheets. 5' can't hack it for case shots... especially with a larger case.
What do you plan on doing SNiiPE? ... I have some 10 foot wide vinyl, but it just doesn't have as nice a quality imo.
Nice. I guess it helps when you've been into photography as an active interest for more than 5 days. :) I guess I'll have to be patient and continue to investigate wider laminate type backgrounds, I don't think I'm a fan of any of the free hanging cloths.
Can't wait to see what you come up with. ... so I can plagiarize you of course. :D
EDIT: I hope you don't mind SNiiPE, but I wanted to share one of the ideas I've been having for a photographic background. I was thinking it would be neat (especially for end of build photography) to take a 7-8 hour exposure, on a crystal clear star filled night, with the camera positioned below the case, angled upward, creating that circular star tracer effect for a background. I guess for the effect to be perfectly circular you would have to aim the camera directly at the north (or south) star and a subtle red lighting or only the build's lighting depending on what one wanted to achieve. ... Anyway, I have no idea how to take exposures for that length of time. (tell me if this is to OT and I'll delete). :)
that sounds like a really cool photo concept man :) like Ikiller says the time to shoot that picture would be enormous and very hard to expose correctly :yepp: I do however have a program that is insanely good for stripping items out of photographs and setting them on another ;)
oh and btw I don't mind OT in this thread at all :up:
But, xaxis, the matrix of the camera would get hot very quickly and you'd get a lot of noise on the pictures, unless you've got a FC block for C5Dmk2 :D
It would be more possible if you'd made exposures like 15minutes, and then stack them. And if Ian would position camera at the North Star it would take looong time, it would be better to shoot at the edge of the Earth, ( hope you understand me, I mean not at the North Star but at the edge of planet, ) because then the stars rotate faster, and it would not take 24hrs to make a full circle, but much less time. Like this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/_belial/3627855977/
I live in a remote enough location where the it's unlikely anyone would steal the camera. Plus I would place the setup on the roof of my shop and likely be working in the shop all night anyway.... would have to be a pretty crafty/telepathic thief to get my camera. :)
Thx SNiiPE. As I continued to research photography (my newest official hobby on my list of hobbies - which is an actual list) I think I came across a few other stumbling points in addition and adjunct to what you mentioned.
Noise. Although I do believe the 5D Mark II does have automatic dark frame subtraction when long exposure noise reduction is turned on, you're right: using a computer program would be far easier. The problem it seems with noise reduction enabled is for every exposure an equal length dark frame is required. This isn't a problem I think if you're only taking one exposure but if you were taking multiple pictures, computer dark frame subtraction can serve all of the exposures with just one dark frame (saving one a lot of time).
When it comes to focus, which to properly shoot the stars in crisp detail you would set to infinity? Would this make the build itself completely blurred? If so I was thinking the solution would be to use chroma key backgrounds (green screen best?) to super impose the picture into a long exposure shot of the stars... Though, personally I wouldn't want a computer just floating in "space" so I would put the chroma key background just behind the build and beneath it use black formica laminate, then use computer effects to blend the transition so the build has an anchor in the "real" that ends in the "surreal". Then again, that's a lot of work when... (read below).
I agree, a cold night would be ideal for keeping temperatures down though I don't believe to many hot pixels would become a problem with minor cooling efforts on a night below 70 degrees F. Also, again, you're right: Pointing at the north star would of course not make a complete circle of stars behind the build. A shot aimed with the horizon as a reference point (or slightly there above) would indeed create a very cool effect, but I was just assuming for this kind of thing one would use an ultra wide angle lense so even when aimed at the north star you would still capture quite a bit of tracing from peripheral stars.
(below): With all that said, I think the coolest approach would be to create an extended time lapse, motion background. This evades the hurdles of super long exposures, makes it so you don't have to do as many computer tricks, and looks way cooler than simply recording a non-time lapsed video! Which for end build log photos especially (if not exclusively) would be extremely cool/worthwhile. To add to things, I would put the camera itself in a slowly revolving "orbit" around the case so while the star and horizon positions are moving in their awesome time-lapse fashion so could the build itself: one could show off the entirety of the build along a completely different axis or possibly multiple changing axis! Timing things so the end of the video the sun began to rise would be pretty nifty too! I don't know if that was very clear but the thought I have in my head seems like it could create beautiful results! Okay, I said way more than enough (as usual). ;) :p: :yepp:
Jesus, xaxis, you're working at Hollywood or smth? :D
Cool efect would be if Ian would use a fish-eye lens, because then he would be able to capture the Milky Way, yay.
( I just couldn't resist rhyming )
wow, I'm baffled :p: Wil I think this should be your photo concept and not mine :D thats the great thing about art (photography) if you've got an idea you just go with it, cant wait to see you get going with photos :up:
After I read your idea, I went through Flickr and saw some long exposure pictures. Some did 15 minutes and it is enough already:rolleyes: If it's me, it would be impossible to do this kind of shooting since I live in LA and air pollution is a problem:eek: I will have to go all the way up to the mountains to do this kind of shooting:shrug:
But 15 minutes is just a little movement, it won't have the REALLY BRIGHT effect which the sky is filled with circles.
Very nice Sniipe DoGG.. Your 4890 CS setup is awesome.. And not to mention a nice photo setup with camera... I myself am trying to think of a setup big enough for the case shot with my 5D.. Subscribed :up:
Hi guys :) thanks Lu(ky :)
I went shopping today.... got a new floor for the V2110 :wasntme: :up:
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/2986/unicorn0005.jpg
http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/9307/granite0007.jpg
excellent pics :up:
S_D are you going to paint that GT fan blade? If you do, tell me what you used and if it works, I want to turn by exhaust one black
how are those huge RAMsinks gonna work when the RAM slots are so bloody close together?
:welcome: Quixylvre :)
the enzotech unicorn kit has 3 different size spreaders 2x 10mm 2x 3mm and 4x 1mm so I put the 1mm on the inside of the ram sticks and the 10mm on the outside :up:
@miller: yes I will paint the blade, I will obviously keep everyone informed on that progress :) that particular blade is from an 800rpm I bought when first evaluating the GTs (before martins tests) I lost the collar for the fan shaft so unfortunately that one will never spin again >.<
Sweet, will be looking forward to that, I love those fans, got 4 of the 1850s in my case now, but that gray blade isn't the greatest looking thing in the world. Those things would be perfect if that blade was black :up:
BTW xaxis, R0bert, and Ikiller here is some reading material for you guys my dad found for you: http://www.on-sight.com/2009/05/29/5...photography-2/
He reads the thread and all of this photography stuff so he is following along with your questions :)
Please tell your Dad "thanks for the link," S_D. :up:
Only issue I can see with that is the potential of the front and back banks of chips on each RAM module not being cooled evenly, which could lead to some aspects of performance winding up slightly wonky. I've been wrong before on that kind of stuff, though.
On a different note, Imagine what this system would do if you were phase-change cooling that CPU or a TWKR on that mobo with QUAD watercooled 4890s and such... :hrhr:
that'd even be faster than this guy!
:sonic:
SLICK! *goes to start a thread about what system he WOULD build for himself if money were no object*
hmm...ever pondered (if you have the means to do it) snipping alternating rows of heat-sink pins on those RAMsinks so you can mesh the adjacent DIMMs' heatsinks with one another to cool them more evenly?
that might be able to provide a cooleffect on an intel setup but on this amd board the modules are so close together I can only use the 1mm heatsinks on the inside and the 10mm on the outside and it ends up looking good :up:
Project status updates:
Today-
Laser cut acrylic arrives from customlasercutting.com :up: also my order of tapplastic's acrylic cement and the hypodermic applicator arrives as well.
Tomorrow- the case internals and other random bits that were silver are going to powder at a local shop early in the morning and assuming xaxis' blocks arrive at my house tonight the ramsinks and that stuff are going to nickel plating :up:
cheers and thanks for the ongoing support guys :)
-Ian
Woohoo! Looking forward for this project :) Man Have i been out for too long from this community! Subscribed!
sniipe, thanks for the link ;)
But how can i do long exposure with a camera with only 1600 ISO??
Thanks Patriote! :D, your famous MM (among the older XS LCers at least) was one of the builds that really inspired me to go for aesthetics and performance :up:
:D I dont know, but you could try experimenting ;)
So I actually got my ass out of bed this morning at 5am and made it to the powdercoater's in Amesbury (almost NH) and then all the way down to malden (almost boston) before work at 8am :eek: I even got to work 5 minutes early :p:
I decided on a black satin finish powder for the case interior :up: pics on monday night!
I am off to race my 18 foot catamaran with my brother this weekend in maine, leaving friday morning. for those of you who have never seena beach cat race take a look at these video's - its like driving a silent race car on the water and you get to flip over too :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CeGAPB_dYc (a great vid, I'll maybe have some of our fleet after the weekend if the wind is good)