It's easy to go AMD. :up:Buying a Intel setup was hard and left a bad taste.:down:Quote:
Originally Posted by Oliverda
Q1 can't come fast enough. AMD has a hot product line up on their hands it seems.:D
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It's easy to go AMD. :up:Buying a Intel setup was hard and left a bad taste.:down:Quote:
Originally Posted by Oliverda
Q1 can't come fast enough. AMD has a hot product line up on their hands it seems.:D
I have a grouper left. If you want it it's your's pay the shipping. Rather see it get put to good use than profit and have it collect dust.Quote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Kayin
I'm going to hold onto manta, my buddies using it right now and my previous WR x2 3800 chip.
Amd needs to step up the pace, I just had to do another build for a customer the other day with a C2D.....Like to see some dual core Ocing If those will Be in the AM3 lineup also.......If the quad indeed did 6g whats a DC do.........
The 45nm DC- I have good expectations of it.
I don't think it will be unlocked (X3 will be), which is a shame. However if HTT goes up VERY nicely, 400*15 (there's 3Ghz stock) = 6000.
I liked those results on those links....I just ordered the Asus M3A79T and a 9950 125w to play with till Deneb, I will stick Deneb on the Asus, and the 9950 125w will go on my Gigabyte MA790GP-DS4H..
of course it isn't true!Quote:
Originally Posted by soundood
It's long know technique of FUD-ing via razing the expectations! ;)
Well, tbh, I started to doubt a little bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oliverda
Mainly because of the annoying time it seems to cost to get all the parts in stock for the shops. At the week before 17-11 where my motherboard blew up, I was pissed and decided to get something new. Motherboards, RAM and CPU's were all at 2-3 days or 1-5 days of availability (depending on shop).
However, at release day things changed to 14 days instead, RAM was set to be available at 20-11, at 21-11 I got a mail it will be 28-11. Motherboard is still at 14 days, but they only have available, 2-3 days and 14 days as ETA's so it might be 5 days as well:shrug:
So since we're getting this close to Deneb... Im seriously starting to be pissed about this, cancel the whole thing and wait just one more month.
And my IMC is broken I guess, it cant run 4 DIMMs at a time anymore after the MOSFETs blew up on my old motherboard. I tried BIOS reset etc, but noway, it wont run stable anymore with 4 DIMMs.
Reason I went 'the darkside' is because I wanted a good quality motherboard now, but it's no secret there ain't a lot of those for AMD, although my blown board might as well be a lemon. So Ill see how it all goes, but more and more Im starting to think to cancel it all though:confused: Saves me a lot of money though:p:
Haha, indeed, it sort of leaves a bad taste.Quote:
Originally Posted by Throwed
But although my bad luck this year has been nothing compared to a few others, I still dont like the things happened. And at some point you just want a good solid machine without parts crapping out. This ain't AMD's fault though, but the impopulairity shows though. For example, take the amount of DFI UT boards for Intel compared to AMD, or Asus ROG line compared to AMD.
I ordered the i7 stuff and Ill get a Deneb when RD890 releases as well I think, hoping the motherboards are a tad better. But as said, if this i7 stuff takes much longer Ill cancel it all, maybe get a nice watercooling setup instead. But Im lazy for maintenance so whether that's a good idea:rolleyes::p:
[EDIT]Oh man, it's getting very tempting to cancel it all now though, I found a very rare memory kit, one of the best, which got taken out of production. Dont know where that kit came from though
Oh lol, I woke up and thought good now.
I canceled my i7 stuff. Ill say why;
In the week before i7 release when my PC blew I was pissed. We know that, I started to look for a good quality 775 system, where as I noticed i7 was 'only' 200Euro more expensive or so but more future proof.
But now, parts still ain't in stock where as I dont know when the motherboard would be available, it still says 2 weeks. But, 5~6 before Phenom II release it would be stupid to throw away all the experience Ive with AM2+/Phenom, waste 1100 Euro on i7 while I only have to buy Phenom II when it's released for a super system. Now say if this motherboard indeed takes another 2 weeks, it would be even more stupid to waste 1100 Euro while Phenom II only takes 3~4 more weeks:rolleyes:
Besides that, Ive more money again, allowing me to buy my third kit of Transcend Axe RAM DDR1066+, not having to plunder my bank account even more for drivers license etc... It's only doing me well.
I still think Core i7 is very nice, but it's starting to make less and less sence actually.
If you are confident about the performance and pricing, then who can argue with your decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rammsteiner
Seems sensible.
lol, we have plentiful stock here, rather cheap. Want a flight to Malaysia? :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rammsteiner
I saw ONE benchmark that made me REALLY want i7 (you have to see to believe, and I really use that app instead of just wanting to blank show off) but I'm piss poor right now (until when I start University classes lol). Blackberry Storm, Sigma SD14/15 and lenses, only then a Quad core.
So i7 will have to wait for some time. I don't think I'd be able to afford the Phenom 940 either- 920 or 720 Black for me.
Nice post:p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad Boga
But yes. I wanted a quality motherboard and we all know Intel has better quality boards than AMD right now due to market. In this pissyness I ordered complete i7 platform, especially after seeing some reviews which were nice.
The price however was epic, but well, sometimes you got to do weird. But more and more Phenom II news came out while all the products I ordered were not in stock. Slowly products came in stock, but right now the motherboard and the RAM wasnt there with no clear view when it would be.
I ordered this all to quickly get over my previous loss and be happy again. But Ive already waited one week, with at least another week for the motherboard if not more. Then Im starting to wonder whether it's smart to waste 1100Euro for this while Ive a complete platform ready here to drop in a Phenom II. Due to market it's no hard thing to think about that the AM2+ parts drop quite rapidly in value since nobody is interested and/or the prices of a new one are just a bit higher, there's not a lot of play ground regarding 2nd hand pricing meaning I'd have almost two complete AM2+ platforms here either selling way too low or just sitting here.
And since it's not so long before Phenom II, just a few weeks basicly, while the order I had takes week after week... That small time ain't worth the 1100 anymore IMO.
Ive to agree Core i7 is very nice, triple channel etc as well. But on the otherhand, I pay for that while triple channel really ain't even needed by a long time. I just got two confirmation mails from the canceled orders, when I get the money back Ill get another RAM kit and wait for Phenom II:p:
The CPU its self was in stock. Intel did a good thing with shipping and such. But this time motherboards and RAM were not in stock:shocked:Quote:
Originally Posted by Macadamia
From what I've read on the AM2+ chip's being released earlier next year they will have both a DDR2 and a DDR3 IMC on board. So they will be AM2+/AM3 cross compatible.
Impressive numbers from the Deneb cores no matter what though. Not even Intel was probably expecting to see that much of an improvement using DDR2 technology.
Got any link's saying as such about Shanghai? Been looking at putting together a dual Shanghai workstation and overclocking the piss out it using chilled immersion cooling if it was possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by justapost
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Originally Posted by Rammsteiner
Strange. As I've already told once my opinion is that the DK 790FXB-M2RS unfortunately doesn't deserve the LanParty name. Just compare the board to the LP UT 790FX-M2R. The 5 phase analogue PWM and the poor cooling... it's a joke. I recommend you the buy an ASUS M3A79-T Deluxe or if you don't have problem with the nVidia chipsets take a look at the Crosshair II or M3N-HT Deluxe boards. Both of them are great mobos! :up:
It's the impression I get taking amd's recommendation into account and looking at tyan's 45nm support vs. dual power plane boards. I had planned to upgrade the 2210's in an 3992 (single power plane), but I'm not in a hurry atm. Can be they focused on dual power plane systems first. Can be the 45nm shanghai's will work in the single power plane board without an bios upgrade, but I have not seen results or testings on such an board.Quote:
Originally Posted by NidStyles
Update: Had to skim over a hundred pages but found the news I refered to: http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-65...ease-date.html
Another related news http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-64...t-Am2-cpu.htmlQuote:
Let us recall that 45 nm processors socket AM2+ will be compatible only with the motherboard , which support two-way power - in some old motherboards such processor cannot work.
Guess I missed that post then, but indeed. How more I think about it the more retarded it gets that such a board which promises a lot of improvements for Phenoms, from such a brand, get such poor MOSFETs:shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Oliverda
Maybe Im indeed thinking of getting an Asus M3A79-T but Im looking at options for the 790FXB-M2RS. Would more/better cooling on the MOSFETs help in anyway? Im considering not to use Prime95 for every 1Mhz OC anymore now, only when Im at the edge and think I want that certain OC, then Ill use Prime95.
Crosshair II is nice but it lacks ACC unfortunately. Otherwise I would have got it for months already:p:
The Asus M3A79-T has 8+2 phase PWM (like the Crosshair II and the M3N-HT) with a nice heatsink.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rammsteiner
I have M3A79-T but the ACC doesn't have any positive effect at all. It has never helped me at OC. So, I would not choose the M3A79-T just beacuse it has ACC option.
@ ram, probably a good idea, Ci7 doesn't offer huge gains over a c2q IMO, If gaming is your thing for that matter a c2q doesn't offer much, had i known when I upgraded what i know now i would have bought a dual......It's taken how long just for companies to write software to utilize duals, duals have been out quite some time now.....it will take just as long for them to code for quads much less ci7
Me personally I'm really interested in the DC part from AMD, would be real nice to fire up my phase change again and grab a new DI/LN2, I haven't gone negative temps since my LDBHE x2 3800.
Really hated buying Intel this time around but in terms of performance and I had a good phenom setup to campare with, it was the only logical choice at the time.
As i get older I have taken a step back from having the latest and greatest. I just recently replaced my x1900xt and when i did buy a new cpu it was a step from a x2 3800 stable at 3.2g with volts cranked on water to a c2q stable at 3.2 stock volts on air. Since taking this approach upgrading has been more fruitfull etc there is a very noticeable difference.
The enthusiast in me will likely buy an amd rig again however, the intel platform was to easy to OC, and the bios feels naked to me compared to my reference manta. Me personally I will wait for tony's final word on which MB to use, He knows exactly what I want out of a board/bios.
I would hope amd has made leaps and bound since this in the HTT department this was with 5x multi back in the day and was unheard ofQuote:
Originally Posted by Macadamia
http://members.cox.net/wmdieselmc26/HTT.jpg
Agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oliverda
I have a feeling that DFI are saving the full blown LP UT for AM3 & i would be really disappointed if they don't have one ready for it.
DFi has never been consistent. I just hope that mobo manufacturers get in gear and actually produce good mobo's this time around for amd or amd take the same approach that they did with manta if you want it done right do it yourself.
I hope you're right. :) I did like my LP UT 790FX-M2R. I think that first they have to improve the BIOS developer team.Quote:
Originally Posted by Final8ty
Well, I certainly hope DFI has a UT board ready but also available when they announce it. Cause announcing it and having it for sale are for DFI two completely different terms:(
Maybe Asus will come with a nice ROG board. But actually I'd rather stick with Deneb and AM2+ for a while than AM3 but well:shrug:
I'm getting teh upgrade bug already :p: AM3 and Deneb can't come soon enough! Actually though, it taking a couple more months is a good thing, so I can get past the holidays and have enough money saved again to actually buy it :D
Same goes for me, enough time to save some money but too much time to wait ;) Hopefully my m3a78-t will be man enough to handle that dragon.Quote:
Originally Posted by SparkyJJO
edit: i just had a little coffee break conversation with a workmate who told my that theres also gonna be an open beta of windows 7 in january. awesome timing :D
what he said.... :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nedjo
stay focus to reliable source. dont get hopeless hope from unknown source (blog)... :shakes:
Forgive me if this has been posted but I thought you would like to know. SOURCE
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AMD has reportedly slated two models of its Phenom II series processors for January, 2009. According to Greek website hwbox.gr, the company will be launching two high-end processors from the Phenom II X4 series, on the 9th of January. Details of these processors available at this point in time are:
AMD Phenom II X4 940 Black Edition (HDZ940XCGIBOX), 3.00 GHz, Socket AM2+, 8 MB cache (2 MB total L2 + 6 MB L3), 125W TDP.
AMD Phenom II X4 920 (HDX920XCGIBOX), 2.80 GHz, Socket AM2+, 8 MB cache (2 MB total L2 + 6 MB L3), 125W TDP.
There is no word on the prices, at this point, though they are expected to be "much lower" than those of the Intel Core i7.
I don't remember who said it or where, but somebody was rambling on about "we'll see what nehalem does when Intel does LN2" in response to the good AMD results. Well, it appears that actually happened and they got:
"One quick LN2 Nehalem setup on the spot managed to get to 5.02GHz, but not for long. At 4.8GHz it lasted long enough to churn out some benchmarketing numbers."
The frequencies aren't as high, but the game is still early on both sides to try to keep things in perspective. There's no reason to go product bashing anything.
from INQ. so no telling for sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Particle
Now you say, after canceling my order Im constantly looking around to order things lol:ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by SparkyJJO
While INQ does like to exaggerate things, this doesn't strike me as one of those times. They have pictures of the event that they took and the author isn't Charlie. This also isn't the kind of conspiracy theory speculation that INQ is famous for. These are some actual numbers that they themselves were there to observe first-hand.
January 2009 is not so bad. Pell Grants and student loans are due then so I can use some of my Pell money to buy this CPU without actually coming out of my own pocket.:up:
CSCI FTW!:cool:
our tax money at work.....:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Throwed
Yeah, that's what came to my mind :shakes: but I was keeping my mouth shutQuote:
Originally Posted by G0ldBr1ck
From a "salty" site:
http://i35.tinypic.com/35m08k2.jpg
why they hidden the multiplier without hidden the bus speed?
I see... so they used the infamous 29.6 multiplier for that overclock.
Moreover 5920Mhz frequency and 200Mhz bus speed, 29.6 mutiplier? :rolleyes:
Very fishy shot for me...
edit : Frodin speedy writer!
That's indeed a bit... weird:confused:
I know AMD has the possibility to actually divide the multiplier, but AFAIk highest multi you can get is 57? If not even less though:shrug:
While I make no claims for validity of these results, please note the cpu-z version however. This version has given wrong voltage in the past. Could be there is an error with clock speed to multiplier too. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Frodin
I think Informal first showed us this site. Now he thinks it's salty too.:down:
It's fishy but could be done with 29.5 multi and clock variance (many boards do this).But apart from being possible it is still fishy.
Thanks Jazzman,i forgot about that site :).
looks like a 3 digit though ...even if blured
My 790fx-DQ6 has a variance and usualy sits around 203 when set to 200.
even so, what happened to ht link value? vacation? :rolleyes:
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yay, post 69, now I have to aim for post 666 :D
In that pic it's running 5.9ghz passing Orthos?
Nah I can't believe that...
CPU-Z not reading it perhaps? I know this has happened before on new chips that it couldn't fully read. An older version did that on my 9600BE, the HT link was blank.Quote:
Originally Posted by possessed
http://www.coolaler.com.tw/toppc/AMD45NM/4G.JPGQuote:
Originally Posted by Jazzman
same version and good info in box so i doubt this screen is legit :confused:
I would think a bencher would us an up to date CPU-Z.
Ya, but I remember when everyone just knew beyond doubt that that 4ghz screen was a fake and now look........
Yeah, that high a multi.. plus Orthos looping is hard to buy into.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
Clock variance can be large. I've seen my HT reference clock spike enough to cause a periodic 70MHz jump at a 15x multi. General day-to-day I get +/- 5-10MHz while running.
I pay taxes too. Though to make you and sparky feel better....I have a decent GPA. So the taxes aren't going down the toilet. Currently it's 3.2 and should be higher by the end of this semester. Besides if I do take out a loan I will have to pay that back. Though the Pell funds are completly free and I usually have 6-700 bucks left over after tuition fees are paid. I can use 2-3 hundered on a Deneb 940 and still have money for books. :up:......NTM, I can get a loan at any given time through the year if I need it. Remember the childeren are our future.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by G0ldBr1ck
I will make sure I thank all the tax payers once I recieve my Bachelors in Computer Science.:up:
BTW, I need a Quad core to do my programming. Do you really expect me to compile my programs with something slow?:rofl: Thankfully ASU is not that expensive and I am able to recieve revenues from Pell. Maybe Barrack Obama will increase federal aid.......Then I could get a new GPU to replace my 4850.:cool:
Stop being stingy and spread the wealth! For all you know I may help make Fallout 8 and do it right by listening to what gamers really want.
Ditto, it seems AMD are on a roll, but I must be honest....even I had doubts back then and I am a AMD fanboi to the heart. Nice to see them back in the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by G0ldBr1ck
Pell funds aren't free, it is subsidized by the taxpayers... and it is meant for education, NOT computer hardware, hence the :rolleyes: :shakes:
But this is hardly the place to get into anything like this.
I think the ES version in the 5.9 shot is a #2 stepping. Hence, the weird cpu-z reading. Again, I don't vouch for this site in any way, just thought the screen shot coupled with others on the site that show a LN setup was worth discussing. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by AbelJemka
I'm a tax payer and it's free to me.:up: BTW, my Major is CS so I need a good working PC. A lame excuse I know, but hey......Gotta' love the USA! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by SparkyJJO
I think we can forget the "blog" results since they look fishy as hell.
We need more sources like Linus or similar and forget the ones like that blogspot since there will be more and more like that while we approach the January release date.
blogspot has been debunked in the news thread. someone found those same pictures of the desktop from 2007 (intel rig)
Isn't he posting similar results though?(not the 6Ghz part...but the 4Ghz part) He has been VERY hush hush but hasn't given any indication that differs from other sources from the net.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
Hmmm.... strange... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jazzman
As far as pell is concerned, I care not how you spend the money so long as school related expenses come first. It sounds like they do, so you're square in my book. Back when I was in college, I never received my pell money until AFTER a semester. As such, it wasn't incredibly useful since I'd already had to pay for all of the semester as it came. It also wasn't helpful when KSU decided it never got any money and the government was sure it had sent it. Neither side really gave a :banana::banana::banana::banana: and just dropped a $3500 bill on me. Yes, they got paid twice, and that was the last semester I decided to spend at that particular university.
Yeah, business before pleasure. That's the only way to get ahead. My wife went to a school that did the same as KSU which I think sucks. ASU gives a Higher One MasterCard Debit Card to dispurse all funds. So all your funds are available to you ASAPhttps://augustastateonecard.higheroneaccount.com/. I usually get my funds 14 days after the semester starts. Though I can always use my ASU ID at the ASU bookstore, Starbucks, and all other on campus stores and charge whatever I buy to my finacial aid during the 14 day waiting period. I can even buy my parking decal and a meal plan with finacial aid. So it all works out great.:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Particle
Sorry you got stuck with a bill, but hey.....Education is an investment. Beats working manual labor for peanuts.:shakes: I love ASU...http://www.aug.edu/!!!!
On Topic.....
Anyhoot, is there any talk of dual socket AM2+ or AM3+ boards coming out like they had with Socket F? Imagine two 4Ghz+ Denebs inside your system. :shocked:
The Shanghais will make a nice 2P system once the 800S chipset comes out. All of the current ones on the market are pretty dated. If you're into nVidia graphics or single card solutions, however, you do have a few options to go dual 45nm like this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813131248
Stay away from that board. Asus technical support for this board is disgusting. The current BIOS can't even overclock Barcelonas. No working voltage adjustments in the BIOS and it doesn't look like Asus is going to get off their asses anytime soon to fix it. You're better off with a MSI K9ND Speedster 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Particle
I'm about as much of a fan of MSI as I am am of Intel. I haven't own an Intel chip other that modem's since the 286. That sort of tell's you something. I'd rather own AMD, and the former Cyrix than Intel. I'm still running a AMD chip. Haven't touched a Phenom yet. I felt I should wait on them.
I would like something like Intel did with their Skulltrail for AMD, as I see AMD as a better chip, with a better IMC. They after all can stay nearly neck and neck with triple channel using only dual channel. If AMD could pull one off with a newer Deneb core, workstation user's everywhere would certainly be happy with an affordable solution.
wow, all i got to say is wow
from the 21/11/2008 till 25/11/2008, this post has recieved a wopping,
11,549 views
thats a helleva lot of intel fanboys quaking in there boots..lol :up:
thats around 2400 views per day, wow
or 100 views per hour,
or around 1.5 views per minute, wow
for four days solid
how do you half view it?
Are you twelve? Why start another pointless flame war? Also, Some advise. Be nice to people you meet going up the ladder as they are the same people you pass on your way back down.Quote:
Originally Posted by soundood
are you twelve? this is an obvious joke that is pointed at no one, get a sense of humour.Quote:
Originally Posted by gallag
as for going up the ladder? im allready on the roof matey, no falling or going back down anywhere for me.
not that i would care, if you dont know me by now you never will, i dont give two monkeys what you think i should have said, so you wasted your typing breath really :rofl:
flame war? WTF are you on about boy? i believe you peeps just say this, because its seems the correct thing to do.
flame war? go back 20 posts, that where you should be making comments :up:
Not going to interrupt much, but I think it's damn hilarious how you can ask this to soundood but when one of, as DrWho? nicely said, 'the blue team' starts making such comments you're dead silent, and when a member of 'the green team' reacts to said 'post' you actually support him:down:Quote:
Originally Posted by gallag
Although Ive to admit it ain't the most smart post from soundood to make, but obviously you feel offended in anyway:rolleyes:
i know, i know, but hey it was pointed at no one, it was truly in the art of a bit of fun, and meant to offend no one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rammsteiner
the thing is here, is that i have had this a few times, unofficial mods giving me the 'whats what' line.
just post in relation the the OP, the Mods here are great, hey i have had my 'wings clipped' a few times. let them keep me in the rules
after all thats what they do ehh?
so thats that, get back on topic :up: and lets not get away from the fact that this just could end up being in the 'lager book of records' :clap:
unlike the Guniness book of Records, this one is only spoken about in the pub after 5 lagers :ROTF:
AMD Phenom II X4 launch might be delayed
I don't believe this. :rolleyes:
BS.Their sources are who exactly?"People we spoke to?" Who that might be,main intel mobo partners? :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Oliverda
i just want the new phenom2 .for now its a hurry up and wait ,,,,,, thats killing me http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ies/dammit.gif
and i hope they stay on track for january 8
meh they are wrong, my sources say that launch will be sometimes in 2012 and availability during 2014 :ROTF:
Quit being so optimistic. MY sources tell me to brace for 45nm from AMD in 2204. My sources also tell me that Intel will be delivering 22nm 16-core UHKMG on mega-SOI CPUs that clock to 97GHz (on AIR :eek:) in Q1 2009.
...
Vague ramblings by random people doesn't qualify as a "source" imo.
By the looks of it,Phenom II will be a new RV770,only in CPU world.It didn't quite beat the GT200 head to head(came close,trailed 15%,or beat it in some number of games),but it made a terrific success and represented a big-bang comeback for AMD in GPU world.Now they are about to the same in desktop segment with a 45nm CPU.Low power,low heat,high IPC,high OC headroom,relatively low price.Now,they only need to launch the thing :).
Well.. if you can't wait that long, you can always try out AMD's Opteron Model 1356, its only 2.3GHz and its socket AM2+.. plus its in stock when I checked! Most probably the model used for the benchmarkls in those Chinese forums. Good luck! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by shadowwind
Unlikely. The Opteron 1356 is a 65nm K10. The 1k series of 45nm Opterons won't come out until after the Denebs do according to the last bit of info I saw on that.
It's unfortunate, because I was going to cheat and have 45nm now by doing that. :) Now if there were just some decent Socket F boards...
My apologies, didn't notice that... I was thinking of the same "cheat" also... :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Particle
Thats what Intel guys should have thought about during all these bad AMD times but no, everyone wants to stomp people who run AMD...........all of a sudden its "why cant we all get along" and "why are you flaimbaiting?" but just a week ago people who read these forums were still having to put up with nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by gallag
And what do you mean by this? What is "Intel guys", and AMD guys? I use Intel hardware, does that make me an "Intel guy"? :down:Quote:
Originally Posted by Titan7171
If you dont know who we're talking about I see no reason for you to feel offended in anyway;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Zucker2k
It's this certain group of people who're indeed having Intel systems and found it needed to trash over AMD, AMD users or just trash anyway. And tbh, although I'd like to help as much people as possible, Ill ignore their threads as much as they trash banged over AMD, AMD users etc.
There will always be the fanbois so just ignore it and move on, the NV boys didn't want to believe the ace up the sleeve of ATI that was the HD4000 cards and now the intel fanbois are scared of the Phenom II (really needs a nickname other than P2) but until I see some real benches and the product itself I'm skeptical of anything. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rammsteiner
I do want to believe the latest news, but am trying not to get to excited..No one will know for SURE, untill we get retail chips in the hands of testers. It is ok to be skeptical, Just not.."it will never perform, bla, bla..." that is showing a onesided view. As mentioned above, we should try to ignore obvious comments like this. But still try in help the ones that do seem legit. If turned to be not, then ignor.:up:
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Originally Posted by Bgriffs
In denmark, P2 is the name of the psychiatric hospital :p:
Howbout... Simply Deneb? :) A name of the chip AND a nickname of the CPU. ;)
Oh, now no one knows whats been going on for the last 1.5-2 years? you got 1550+ posts dont tell me you havent read all the nonsense going on:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zucker2k
Now everyone is innocent? I love it..........I dont really care but watch how many people have to eat humble pie if Phenom 2 is better or equal to intels current offerings.
Just dont come in here acting like everything is ok.......AMD has been eating :banana::banana::banana::banana: from Intel people for to long if things change they will be tasting that sour medicine for a while.
I dont feel remorse, I stay in the AMD section and Ill be here this time around also.......no lurking in the Intel section for me now or ever.......I been here since 2002 and I never posted in the intel section even when AMD was doing great against Intel cant say the same about a select few:p:
Anyway Im done with the offtopic.
Actually people who prefer AMD ( me ) went to intel because AMD as a company screwed up........If i screw up at my job I do not get rewarded, just the same I will not reward AMD by buying a crap product. Will I buy AMD again? Of course as long as the product is a solid competitor and works good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Titan7171
I did the same with ATI but instead I bought nothing, I rode out 2x and 3x generation with my x1900xt.
Sometimes in business it takes a business to lose customers and get slammed by word of mouth to get they're ass in gear.
Seems to me I remember this happening around the socket 939 era to intel. IIRC AMD directly challenged Intels dual core cpu line wanted to have a benchoff, Intel already had a bad rap from prescott. This is what it took for intel to get it's ass in gear.
I've always been a fan of AMD and ATI but deep down I'm really the use what works best price/performance guy.
The only people here who should be defending a brand hardcore are major shareholders. Seriously companies come and go and go up and down, get used to it, unless you have miliions invested who cares who's better Today
I just want to use what I want, It has always been AMD, I like pushing hardware to where its not supposed to be especially the underdog!Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
As for the brand defending.....Maybe you should go to the Intel section and blow that horn.........you think the thousands of bashers out there own Intel stock??:p:
Totally missed my point...........Nobody should be a fanboy......unless you've got serious money invested in a company..........it's pointless to even argue for eitherside.Quote:
Originally Posted by Titan7171
I have no problem rooting for the underdog......I used AMD from slot cpu's all the way to 939, they were termed the underdog then but they had a solid product.
I also used a phenom B2, 2.4g stock and it did 2.6.................thats not overclocking, thats sad......I've had horrible chips like a 3000 winnie and at least got 400mhz.
To continue supporting amd would not be an act of fanboism, it would be shear stupidity.
What i'm saying is it's one thing to be a fanboy and another thing just to be dumb as a stump..........
This goes for either brand loyalty parties involved, don't know what else to say but grow up and be the better man....If you didn't get your panties in a bunch they wouldn't do it........If you haven't figured out that thats why people do it then your hopeless.
Now hopefully this thread can get back on track because you sucessfully stooped to they're maturity level and aided them in derailing this thread........
This thread and many others have been derailed a long time ago, where were you then? So dont come here now trying to be the savior of threads like Im the one causing a problem, Ive been here and on many other sites to witness the stupidity and stood quiet...so please move on, Im not interested in a lecture:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
Pm me if you got something else to say........if not put me on ignore.
Posting the above statement in the AMD section is not conducive to objective discourse. One might take such statements as rude and condesending. :down:Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
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One might take such statements as shear stupidity.
my thoughts
wait, I've got it Pii , oh, wait, no no no no, to much nintendo for me :ROTF::rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bgriffs
Make sure when you quote something you dont CLIP just what you want for firepower, the whole story usually paints a better picture........as exampledQuote:
Originally Posted by Jazzman
I finish my day at work and i click the link to read some good :banana::banana::banana::banana: on X's and all i'm greeted with is bull:banana::banana::banana::banana: hahahahaha
Yah sorry dball. Apparently I'm not allowed to be a disgruntled customer after shelling out for a 2.4g Phenom BE platform capable of only 200mhz over stock.....Also apparently some people don't realize because i've been absent how much I have been involved with AMD.
Back on topic, I'm glad AMD got it's act together and patiently awaiting more results/release..........
A rare beacon of reason in a sea of insanity. :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
Hey I had a 9600 BE too, (2.3ghz by the way ;) ) and it did 2.8ghz. not that impressive but still LOL...although the 9850 and the 9950 I had did much better I 3.2ghz rock solid on the 9850BE and 3.4ghz rock solid on the 9950.. I buy AMD not just cause I like AMD, but I have fun with there chips.. Phenom is just fun to play with.. NB OCing, HT OCing, Multi unlock, HT ref OCing.. multiple upon multiple voltages to teak...it's the challenge factor..:p:Quote:
Originally Posted by chew*
Agreed it's more fun to play with settings but when you spend a week playing with settings and hit a wall of well i guess 300mhz gain with insane volts ( its been awhile could of swore it was 2.4 ) its all for not. My past AMD rigs were tweak for a week then set and forget, not the case with this one. I expected more from a top of the line CPU ( at the time )Quote:
Originally Posted by charged3800z24
Personally the board was lacking in options compared to my reference ATI manta board..... ( I had the asus quadfire board? forgot model )
Orb doesn't lie here's what i had.http://service.futuremark.com/compare?pcm05=1343105
To the guys dumping on *chew;
You really did miss his point and if you search back through his posts you'll see one of the biggest supporters of AMD on this forum.
thx movieman, sadly this is one of the reasons why s7e9h3n also took an extended leave of abscence.....No respect for longtime contributing members.