I am impressed, my hopes and dreams are becoming a reality :)
But really, 1,9Volts? I think that is a little bit high. Wouldn't i7 be able to hit higher speeds at that voltage? Dont remember what voltages were given to i7 when they pushed it. Anyone remembers?
But otherwise, if u feed it 1,9Volts and it takes it with spactacular results, then for the love of PII, do it!
Yes it means excatly that, thought top end =! best performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rammsteiner
How do you think the different segments are rated -> by price
low end -> cheap, basic features
mid end -> medium price, advance features
high end -> high price, advance featuters + extras
top end -> highest price, advance featuters + extras + omfgwtfbbq gimmicks.
A Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3(P) also beats a Gigabyte GA-EP45-Extreme in regards to ocing and is 100€ cheaper... still the UD3 is a mid-end board and the Extreme is a highend board with its price...
Who cares if its cherry picked or not? Its not like all these overclocking headlines from lan parties and such are not cherry picked Intel processors.
The most important point is that AMDs fastest processors are no longer as Intels slowest, but it might even compete with Intels most overclocked ones.
Intel and AMD 45nm gen chips react differently to vcore.Intel Core i7 at 1.9V reacts differently compared to Deneb at 1.9V.Deneb sits at default 1.35V and still has 75/95W envelope.This means that even 1.55V on Deneb is not that huge of a number for air/water. 1.7-1.9V for LN2 is not that extreme,for short time tests.Quote:
Originally Posted by prostoman
Asus M3A32-MVP Deluxe(/WiFi-AP) is nothing but 4+1 phase...Quote:
Originally Posted by demonkevy666
...note that even Asus' marketing is clueless as they actually quote it as "8+2".
why do i get the feeling this cpu is gonna be hard to find and price is gonna be jacked up due to popularity. sure it might be around 300, but if the egg knew how much people wanted it, it could be much higher
He's talking about the sb750 board (aka M3A79T). It's an sb600 board you're linking here.Quote:
Originally Posted by largon
If this is true it's amazing news! I've never really been an amd fan but they need a good cpufamily to get the competition with Intel going again. And competition means fighting to be cheapest. Which is good for us consumers:D
there almost identical, lol only difference is SB750 vs SB600 plus an extra heat sink and fan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Insanity
Whats the difference between the amount of phases? E.g. if I have 4-phase for CPU compared to 6, 8, 12 or 16 phase? Everything above 8 is marketting hype? :D
If prices are good, i probably build one of those Deneb with a Lanparty JR 790gx :rolleyes:
Any idea of release date and prices?
the difference is a pwm blowing when priming at 1.45 volt, and one not blowing ever at those volts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calmatory
just provides clean more stable power to the cpu for example run high overclock on a 680i and look at the OCCT chart for Core voltage it will be rippled all over the place with a respectable overclock now compare that to say the rampage extreme or the X48 T3RS where the chart is a solid line,Quote:
Originally Posted by Calmatory
you can use less voltage to gain same overclock and be stable because the voltage is constant.
this is what ive noticed
So more phases, more evenly the load is balanced and "one phase" does not get such a big hit from high power draw by the CPU?Quote:
Originally Posted by demonkevy666
+cpu -motherboardQuote:
Originally Posted by [XC] Lead Head
http://www.legitreviews.com/images/n...gon_logo_1.jpg
http://www.legitreviews.com/images/news/20...agon_logo_1.jpgQuote:
AMD has kept the logo for the Dragon platform very quiet lately, but they recently posted pictures of a banner online that clearly shows the logo. For those that don't know about the Dragon platform it consists of a processor, motherboard chipset and graphics card that have been tuned to give you a better user experience. To be more specific the Dragon platform is a combination of an AMD Phenom II X4 processor, Radeon 4800 Graphics cards and an AMD 7 series chipset based motherboard. This platform is an update of the Spider platform that AMD launched a year ago to the month. The AMD Phenom II X4 processor is built using AMD's new 45nm process technology and as a result has 30-50% better power consumption and higher clock frequencies. If you haven't heard about the clock frequency improvements yet be sure to check out this article we posted yesterday afternoon.
i've heard of the i7's topping out and more voltage doesn't help clock scaling. was 6.3ghz seen in windows or a bootup screen like the 5.7ghz i7 was?Quote:
Originally Posted by prostoman
Except the one he linked is 4+1 phases while the M3A79T is 8+2 phases.Quote:
Originally Posted by demonkevy666
http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?l1...03&modelmenu=1
If you mean 6.3 GHz for the Phenom II it was Crysis benchable, atleast as I read it.Quote:
Originally Posted by CCUABIDExORxDIE
http://www.asus.com/999/images/products/1930/1930_l.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Insanity
oh really here a pic.
http://img.inpai.com.cn/article/2008...9f788aca4e.jpg
opps second one was 78 and not the 79.
My bad, after looking they're both 8+2 phases. Got lost because the guy I quoted first said the M2A32 had only 4+1.Quote:
Originally Posted by demonkevy666
SB600 is missing ACC, has no RAID5, slower USB 2.0 performace, from 2006Quote:
Originally Posted by Insanity
SB750 has AMDs Advanced Clock Calibration, RAID5, faster USB 2.0 performace, from 2008
the key here is Advanced Clock Calibration, that allows better overclocking on current 65nm agena cores and upcoming deneb cores!
some 790FX boards have SB750, allmost all 790GX boards have SB750
Uhm Asus says straight on their site it is 8+2 (what does the +2 mean?) and you can't see under the heatsink for anyone to say what it is, so I'm trusting that Asus knows what they are talking about :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by demonkevy666
2 phases dedicated for the 8-phase CPU PWM. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by SparkyJJO
I think You have a good point there :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Eson
The 2 addition phases are exclusive for the internal northbridge (like the "uncore" part on Nehalem, the IMC and the L3 cache).
Seems "someone" was spreading fud on the day AMD demoed high OCing capabilities of Deneb:
http://theovalich.wordpress.com/2008...re-i7-thunder/
Hm, "is it true that AMD was sold to a private investor." :p: ."Someone" got some nice knee jerk reaction to the Deneb demo yesterday,were "they" worried? :)Quote:
During morning hours in US, I was contacted by several high-level executives who asked me is it true that AMD was sold to a private investor.
Timing of such rumor was without any doubt, pure FUD attack to steal the thunder from today’s announcement that got the press and enthusiasts tingly like elementary school girl.
The announcement is expiry of embargo on AMD’s Press Preview, held recently in Austin, Texas. Like I hinted in an article just days ago, AMD worked with selected hard-core overclockers to tune up the Phenom II CPU and Dragon platform (790GX chipset with AM3 socket, nothing earth-shattering here). The results are quite spectacular, to say the least.
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More from Theo's post:
Also interesting bit is AM3 940 version has 16GB/s of BW with DDR3-1333:Quote:
History of AMD and sub-zero cooling is quite interesting. AMD was the first manufacturer to showcase vapor chamber and liquid oxygen cooling (yes, oxygen, not nitrogen) with Athlon 550 MHz that reached 1.03 GHz and became the first CPU to pass the 1 GHz mark. As the time went by, AMD slowly started to move away from Swashbuckler attitude lead by Jerry Sanders and put a dull corporate Motorola face lead by Hector Jesus Ruiz. All of this is past now, since AMD put substantial effort to produce a CPU which operating temperature is massive 300 degrees Celsius!
Yes, you’ve read it correctly – from -200 to +100, you can be certain that your Phenom will not fail. On-die sensors are tweaked up and they will not lock the part at -100 or -20C, and you can use dry ice or LN2 to crank it up to the max.
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Phenom II comes out with 16 GB/s of memory bandwidth using only two channels, and clocking like there’s no tomorrow.
Correct. If the best components are used 4+1 is more than sufficient.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calmatory
16 phase is marketing or inferior components. Or very, very expensive motherboards for no reason. :shrug:
It's amazing how many people get sucked in by numbers on a box.
Note, the 6.3ghz @ 1.9v was done on a Gigabyte 790GP, no 16 phases there. :)
http://img.techpowerup.org/081118/amddragon.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Nedjo
I agree almost to cool!!!!!
I'm dreaming of a dual socket(8 Core) 4ghz AMD machine:up:
Hahahahahaa I love Kirk :DQuote:
Originally Posted by DaMulta
macci's had a makeover. :ROTF:
But... !Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
That's done on purpose yes, by the same brand.
Now lets compare the Foxconn vs DFI or Asus. Foxconn was way overpriced while DFI and Asus were at least the same quality and offered the same features. I mean, DFI is in 99.99% already a top end board, what extra features should we look at? 299 more USB 2.0 ports? Big ass heat sinks with fancy colours having no purpose? The most advanced feature you want to have is a well laid-out BIOS, SB750 and thus ACC. Although Ive to admit the DFI would have been more fun if it had more phases though. But then take Asus instead, 20Euro more and also gives everything.
At some point there's a difference between advanced features and extra's and as you said, gimmicks. Extra gimmick does not mean it's a top end board, you just pay for it.
Calm might have been right already, but couldnt the +2 also mean that it was for the NB?Quote:
Originally Posted by SparkyJJO
Old Phenom did have coldbug?, wierd i have seen someone that used -60c on them without problem....So i dont think it did have coldbug like the K8 did have.Quote:
Originally Posted by FlanK3r
You bet!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lastviking
Seen many results w/phenom & LN2?
Its for memory actually.Quote:
Originally Posted by doompc
Extreme Engine
- 16-phase CPU power design
- 3-phase NB power design
- 2-phase DDR3 power design
This is just a LGA775 example for the most extreme.
The other one is CPU(8) and memory(2).
940 is AM2+ and it got 16GB/sec with DDR2-1066. DDR3-1333 on 925/945 would be 20.8GB/sec give or take.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
No AM3 chips or MB showed yet.
a big jump for such a small ram increase 4gbs from 260mhz....Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
25% higher clock, 25% higher speed since the numbers are theoretical peaks.Quote:
Originally Posted by demonkevy666
MB will be AMD 790/780 revision 2.0.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
I think that it will be very fast the transition to DDR3.
The AMD 800 series + SB800 will take much longer.
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Originally Posted by Gautam
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Originally Posted by Nedjo
hey NedjoQuote:
Originally Posted by G H Z
the LN2 pot macci used is actually called Dragon Evo heheheh
The asus top end mobo is more expensive then then the gigabyte topend mobo... does that mean asus is more topend then gigabyte?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rammsteiner
There are just price segements just like with cpu.
Amd has right now no enthusiast market that would pay for such board, hence the slim choice of boards.
There are 4 boards with 790FX/SB750 combo... those are all midrange boards, thers no point in releasing a topend board that noone whats to buy due to price.
Wait when phenom 2 gets good reviews and 200€+ am3 boards pop up everywhere. ;)
The thing is, Asus doesn't know what they're talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by SparkyJJO
I say again; M2A32, M3A32 and M2A79-T Deluxe all have just 4+1 phases (4+1 = 4 for CPU + 1 for NB).Quote:
Originally Posted by Insanity
Nope.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
gigabyte boards werent exactly first choice in previous AMD "good" days
it's good to see them improving a lot and being first choice for such an important demo
AMD didnt even use their own board eek
from Josh's report on i4memory
http://i4memory.com/f56/amd-austin-t...-inside-11713/
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Phenom II processor
GIGABYTE GA-MA790GP-DS4H motherboard
Radeon HD4870X2 graphics
OCZ Reaper memory
more competition on all fronts is good news for consumers :D & manufacturers alike
I wouldn't be too worried if they're cherrypicked anyway..
65nm was a dog @ release, but even before G2 stepping they clocked heaps better with newer batches
well there is always a bunch of user binned retail cherries on XS so benchers will eventually bin enough CPUs to find the right one
if this was done with no "tricks" Francois was alluding to then its fair game and we should see same or better results at XS
otherwise AMD's gonna have to do some serious explaining
I just wonder if this was HTT or multiplier
Hans -- you cannot make this conclusion without knowing at what Ioff and at what voltage the measurement was made.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hans de Vries
Jack
I was surprised when I first heard of this, but like Dino and many other overclockers who were raised on AMD have said, I am very hopeful that this is all legitimate and what every enthusiast can expect from their Phenom II's. I'll certainly be building my next system with a Phenom II, and I cannot wait to start tweaking again. :up:
hmm i dunnoQuote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
neither k8 nor k10 clocked well at release
ppl couldn't get k10 to 3ghz at launch like the 3ghz demo and cried foul, but now 3g is pretty easy on k10
so that a 6.3g post is possible at this stage is just insanely good news, i can barely believe it.
previous amd overclocking world record.... well www.ripping.org :D
I seriously doubt AMD did any "tricks" here ... They are trying to re-win the attention of the enthusiast community, and they way to do that is exactly what they are doing ... offering up something special at lower prices.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
Phenom II is going to be much bigger success than Phenom was...
Yes, that is why I posted what I did in my last post. If you keep crying wolf enough times, people are gonna start not believing you, and it backfires. That's just a rule of buisness..."don't promise things unless you can deliver with 100% certainty". They are months from release still. These "Deneb clocks to 4GHz on air" is really gonna hurt them if it ends up not materializing. It's all over the Internet now, and people are gonna expect it.Quote:
Originally Posted by hollo
I have a freind that is selling off his Phenom rig because he is thoroughly disgusted with it. He said...and this is his exact words "They hyped this thing up and I bought into it, but not again." That is the loss of a customer. It's just one example.
yeah i doubt it as well but its good to keep grounded because this is beyond any and every expectation i've had for AMD CPUsQuote:
Originally Posted by JumpingJack
really good news but i would hate for it to become sour news that's all i guess
lol no :banana::banana::banana::banana: Einstein :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by JumpingJack
Quote:
Originally Posted by T_Flight
Wait wait wait ... Let's see if they can make it, may be they do.
Let' s all be nice and wait. Let the Green team to have some fun and enjoy themselve.
I am, that was my freind that said that. I want AMD to do well. I really do. Sometimes I believe the right hand is not working with the left hand though. Sometimes it seems like the Marketing dept is just not going along with what the enginering dept is.
It might do it, and it's good if it does, but what I'm getting at is what if it doesn't? That would not be good, and we don;t wanna see anything bad happen.
Anyone know how much these will cost yet? Also I presume am2+ boards supporting ddr2 can use danebs? If so, may be significantly cheaper than a core i7 system.
Yes, many if not most AM2+ boards are going to support both AM2+ and AM3 Denebs. It just requires a quick BIOS update from the manufacturer. There's nothing technical keeping it from working.
Many already do.
I would argue this ... K8, when it launched, was pretty phenomenal .... major leap forward over the crop of CPUs at the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
The AM2+ deneb will probably work on an AM2 board.Quote:
Originally Posted by Particle
BUT: I wonder if the AM3 will work on AM2 boards. (Assuming the AM2 board already supports the current AM2+ chips.) That would be a Phenomenal achievement... compatible over 2 socket upgrades.
you argue everything :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by JumpingJack
yeah i meant to say that i was talking about the difference between my expectations and this news for upcoming gen of their CPUs
K8=:cool:
Phenom II looks to be a fun piece of hardware to play with. Exciting news indeed! Hats off to AMD for looking out for the enthusiast as well as enterprise with these new innovations. Cant wait to build my 4ghz + AMD machine after the new year. To all you repeat AMD bashers: :eleph::lsfight::banana3::rehab::party::YIPPIE::ch eer2:
We will think of you as we apply voltage and cooling to our wonderful Phenoms!!@!!!
I know, that's what makes it fun. :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
core2uo:coreduo::phenomII:phenom
if true then yay! :up:
[H]'s staff are pretty blase about this.
Busy touching each other in BFG's officeQuote:
Originally Posted by cegras
The look on peoples faces if AMD flops again :shocked:
Lets hope thats not true hehe
hehehe, to nisam znao! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
best news in a long time -give em a break - can't wait to bench an AMD that is worth the effort - and those puppies sound like they are funQuote:
Originally Posted by GAR
:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Particle
Even my old M3A32 has one of the best power distribution systems I've ever seen. NO vDrop and NO vDroop, either. I couldn't believe it and assumed I had gotten a "golden board" but several others here on XS reported the same thing. It also has 6 +1 external SATA ports and RAID 5 on down. Newer SB750 boards have similar characteristics. All have AMD Overdrive, which has unbelievable options for clocks, timings, multi's, and voltage control. What more could you want ...? :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozzfest05
You can always hope(that they flop),can't you :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
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Fuad is reporting 5+Ghz Phenom IIs are running Far Cry 2 just fine:
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Phenom II runs Far Cry 2 at 5GHz+ Print E-mail
Written by Fuad Abazovic
Saturday, 22 November 2008 01:28
Image
Austin 2008: New LN2 overclocker in town
LN2 is a dangerous liquid and if you are not careful you can burn an arm or two, but if you want some top overclocking scores, you still have to use it.
AMD has demonstrated that Deneb, Phenom II CPU, when cooled with LN2 can run stable at over 5GHz+ and run stable Far Cry 2 benchmark. This is a great score as the guys who were overlocking have said that this was the first time they seriously played with Deneb overclocking.
They used Gigabyte motherboard in AM2+ edition with 790GX chipset and the chipset is the part of this success story as the guys who made it have said that they believe it’s the best one AMD made so far.
The temperature was insane minus 186 Celsius and we recon they used 1.9V voltage, something that you use only if you have a superb cooling. This clearly shows that Deneb, Phenom II will have a fighting chance and it should stand much better compared to Intel’s lineup but we are still no aware how Deneb goes against the same clocked Nehalem, Core i7.
Here is Sami Maekinen AMD's top notch overclocker and the chap who helped develop Overdive software OC tool next to 5GHz+ Deneb running stable.
gogo AMD :) my sister wants a computer soon to go to university, this will go in it if all goes well :) (and ddr3 drops a lil bit more I feel dirty enough having one intel rig in the house :( )
He was the first person to ever get one I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gautam
If Macci is hitting those kinds of clocks on LN2 with Dragon Evo...wonder what he would do with a F1 extreme...Sami PM me your info again, time for an upgrade ;)
Looks like AMD is back in the LN2 game after all this time. Pretty cool :up:
Nehalem kind of sucks for extreme overclocking on LN2 to be honest. The LN2 party since dothan had to end some time I guess lol.
The only downside I see here, is the amount of LN2 we will have to spend running the CPU at -190C all day long :D
Nice to see that AMD is back in business. Now where is my AM2 board again? After CES things should get interesting again =) Finally a change in the benching scene. Benching C2Ds all the time is a little boring and Nehalem is not exactly much fun under LN2 as of right now =/
Fingers crossed, AMD is right and that CPU is not cherry picked or special in any form.
Ok, so when we can see some benchmarks? Must Cest be the firs stop, or some one can share sone little more informations about the Phenom II and any benchmark?
You could want it to say Intel on it, brand is all that matters right? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by QuietIce
Heh, just look at the "LOL AMD is going to fail and you are all idiots. Oh but I hope they do okay." comments. :down:
Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
The look on peoples faces if AMD flops again
Lets hope thats not true hehe
He said IF they flop, so why are you acting like he said when they flop? Or even worse hope they flop. He then says let's HOPE they don't. WOW, So you're turning concern into a Bash even when posters aren't bashing, amazing!Quote:
Originally Posted by Informal
Most folks wants to see AMD do well, some want to them at least catch Intel. ALL OF US know prices will go up if they don't.
Donnie,look the post above yours,MrMOjoz summed it up perfectly!
"Oh but I hope they do okay" should make us forget the first part,even if it was not said directly but just hinted at.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMojoZ
BTW i'm not going to get myself into an argument with you and make the same mistake Rammsteiner made.For me there is nothing more to say regarding your comment.
Yeah, sometimes there's no point in going that way:p: I learned the hardway.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
But indeed, people shout left and right 'Oh, I hope this and that' while they mean :banana::banana::banana::banana: all about it. Im not saying who does and who doesnt mean it, but certain people have about sub zero reliability, so why should we take it serious in anyway.
Although the LN2 stuff is very cool, Im quite curious how Deneb runs with like a Vapochill and such cooling, cooling that is able to run 24/7:D
Its only you and certain other persons who see such things and think its shameless attack against amd.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
I didn't even noticed that post till everyone raged about it... good way to make a mountain out of a molehill. :clap:
i lol'd :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Rammsteiner
Hornet,only a blind man can't see what MrMojoz posted about.If you are one of those ,that's fine.Like i said i won't comment on this issue any more.Feel free to think whatever you like,it's a free world.
On topic: more pics from the Phenom II event from Jeff Tom here.
Thanks man, let the fanboys say whatever they want, why bother with nobodys, anyway back on topic...... I like AMD, if Phenom II is like the previews suggest, then i will be building an AMD rig just for the fun of it, prices should be more for our liking as well, even tho pricing right now for intel is good, the motherboards are out of hand. Having a choice for a performance PC is always good, go AMD :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Donnie27
Nice to see AMD coming back BUTBUTBUT... Its still going to be a tough sell.
The way I see the market from Q1 2009:
Server: Intel win across the board
High-end desktop: Intel win
Value desktop: AMD win
High-end mobile: Intel win
Value mobile: Intel win
Still not a very good position by all accounts. IMO they should churn out some mobile parts ASAP.
A mobile X3 deneb with an undervolted RV730/RV770 would be a sweet sweet platform.
I'm pretty sure the "Value Desktop" market is larger than all the others put together though (excluding server of course).;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Boissez
IIRC The mobile market is the largest in terms of volume and the server market is the largest in terms of value.Quote:
Originally Posted by D-Cyph3r
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Originally Posted by Boissez
amd is gonna do good in the servers because its just a drop in chip
instead of new board/ram/cpu's
Fortunately for AMD, there are more segments than just "value" and "high end". What about enthusiasts that want the best bang for the buck?
What about students that need all the horsepower they can for audio/video tasks, without wanting to pay the jackpot?
To me it seems the highest performing Deneb will come very close in performance to the highest performing Nehalem.
Add to this Deneb's superior performance per watt, and the fact that MBs that support Deneb will be much cheaper than MBs that support nehalem. (especially the AMD boards that still use the old southbridge)
About time though, for a long time it made no sense to buy AMD for whatever purpose besides wanting to go cheap. (server market excluded)
Glad we're past that phase.
People shouldn't underestimate mobile market since it's growing insanely fast.That's why AMD preps the Deneb core based low power models for notebooks.Netbooks should get a single core variant of Deneb too,only cache stripped and running at low volts.
Well, maybe someone will think that Im stupid (maybe most of you), but how you comed to thinking that Phenom II wont be comparable to i7?
i7 has integrated memory bus, guess what.. Phenom II has integrated memory bus too. Both will use DDR3 (when AMD release AM3 platform). Phenom II doesnt have any memory clock/voltage limitations. Only thing it lacks really is Hyper-Threading and triple channel. But as much as I know, there is not big difference between dual/triple channel if you have integrated memory bus in CPU. i7 is just re-designed Core 2, nothing more. I think that if Phenom II will be able to do 4GHz at air, it can actually beat i7 (just imagine Phenom II under watercooling - 4,5GHz + some 2+GHz rams). Even with my poor Athlon X2 on 3GHz and Cellshocks at 1000MHz CL4.. I have over 9k bandwith.. if I imagine having some Phenom II on 4GHz.. heh bandwith over 15k? Maybe.. cause I can clock Cellshocks higher, just FSB cant take it).
If these OC reports are true, I believe that Phenom II will be much more than just comparable to i7. :) (at least much more friendly to OCers.. dont liek that idea of dead CPU if my memory voltage is too high).
Guys, if you concidere yourself a Blue team member , please let's the green team guys have their fun, it is nice to see them reviving a little, give them some space.
Instead, get back to work, and break the 7Ghz on Core i7 :)
Let s squeeze the best of both platform.
Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed. The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Core i7
Darth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MaJy7LH5js
Let's start with breaking 6G before we rush to 7G :). No dirty tricks allowed.
Also, in servers performance per watt is the most important. And although Intel's platform will be faster, the CPUs consume a little more and FBDIMM makes it a lot worseQuote:
Originally Posted by stangracin2
Whats the point of that, singelcores are dead, even for notebooks (beside for UMPCs, but even there dualcores take over)?Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
They need a chip that is dirt cheap and consumes next to nothing, and perform a bit better then atom -> zing amd would own the whole sub 400€ market.
Just look at the success of atom. Even if you strip down phenom 2 off everything it wont come close the the power consumption of atom.
Amd already had massmarket SoC way befor intel (remeber cyrix? ), but they dumped it... if they would have forced the development based on MediaGX core they would have a very competentive product against Atom.
As for a competition against the centrieno platform, that depends how much impact the cache strip has on phenom phenoms performance.
AMD has some good marketing advantages over Nehalem and server, the drop in compatibility is a huge win for companies in this environment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xel'Naga
However, Nehalem 2P servers will not use FBDIMMs they will be using low voltage DDR3.
Jack
It will go further, but 3.6 will be the sweetspot from what I've been told. As always, this will vary from CPU to CPU and change between steppings ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Calmatory
//Andreas
answer in video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3dI-ghYimg :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by massman
@ Drwho?
Some comments on Core i7 + LN2 testing:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...8&postcount=22
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=270Quote:
Originally Posted by DMH
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Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
Very gracious of you, people need to be a less sensitive about hardware; we all want the best, regardless of platform. Only a fool wouldn't. Hint, hint, somebody needs to apologize to you. I'm on Intel, happily churning along with my Q9550 at 4.2Ghz, but I'm about as excited as anyone in here, just itching to lay my filthy hands on a phenom II. January can't come fast enough. :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
Oh man such good memories of JK2 and JKA :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Drwho?
I'm going to play some multiplayer now :p:
I ll try with and without couple of diodes too ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
Get ready for a trauma ...
this one is awesome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zYOw7v6TFEQuote:
Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR
You are missing some things here, it's not just about HT, etc. The problem is that AMD didn't optimize the execution units on Phenom / Phenom II as good as Intel did on Core 2 / i7.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mescalamba
The execution units of the Intel CPU's are much more flexibel and therefore depending on the application can excecute more instructions compared to AMD at the same time. In my on fractal assembler code I see that even Core 2 is about 30 to 40 percent faster at the same clock speed than a Phenom, when it comes to FPU or SSE2 performance.
If you wanna know more detail, take a weekend off ;-) and fight your way through the Agner Fog's nice guides:
http://www.agner.org/optimize/microarchitecture.pdf