This is amazing.
How did the 1st person figured this out I wonder? :-P
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This is amazing.
How did the 1st person figured this out I wonder? :-P
why do i go in the freezer i'm not dead :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Oj101
@ luie: I used the logic ( :D ) that cold fixes dead hard drives so why not try other hardware as well.
Braindead :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by cdawall
:( it wasa cheap stick i just wanted to see what chips it had on it...they used super glue to hold the heat spreaders onQuote:
Originally Posted by Oj101
So I see. As well as the rest of the world :rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by cdawall
meh i learn fast (hence only one dead stick not 3)Quote:
Originally Posted by Oj101
i got better ram b/c of it so i'm happy i needed an excuse anyway :shrug:
Quote:
Originally Posted by cdawall
That wasn't because of my asking to pull the spreaders from that crucial set was it? Wasn't that your thread at TPU? Haha it was so funny because I killed a stick right after saying how easy it was :D
i don't think so haha i had the thread called dead ram now what and i tried to kill them all with no luckQuote:
Originally Posted by sno.lcn
This thread found me a few weeks ago. It inspired me to push my ram to new limits. I have some old school double-sided Tracers. I broke a pair tring to push cas4 as high as I could with 2.5v. I put them in the freezer. Worked, but they didn't run very well. I friend from another furom suggested baking them to soften the soddering points. I did, after which neither stick would post. Yesterday, I desided to put them back in the freezer. Today, they post and I'm currantly testing the 24/7 OC I was running on them at 1184Mhz, 5-5-5-15 with 2.2v.
Thx XS! I think you are going to see some more of Pizza.
Quote:
Originally Posted by luie
was reading a post on vr-zone quite a while back when a overclocker forgot and left his volts on high for ram and forgot to put on fan too ( after a benching session) he said that before he could shut down system his ram was so hot he couldnt touch it :ROTF: so he just out of regular goofyness tossed them into the freezer just to cool em down ( not knowing it might help em to recover just to cool em down) :rofl: and forgot them for a week or two ... needless to say thay worked fine after remembering thay were thier
said he got to thinking heck thay should be dead :yepp: .. next time he killed some he put them in the freezer and wham it worked again and he posted about it :D
heard of it years ago before that but really never believed it till his post
Same way they discovered that Yoghurt was good for thrush I suppose; trial and error lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by luie
im going to try this with my mushkins. mabye cas4 1200 will be attainable again! *crosses fingers and opens freezer*
hallo i'm interested about this i have cellshock 8500 on micron d9gmh chips and i think it's dead but not enough it's booting and doing everything but can't pass troough the memtest :( all other tests not problem working with software and games and overclocking no problem but only problem is the memtest :( and i'd like to know you have same problem or no?
just put it in the freezer for an hour n seeQuote:
Originally Posted by Vazovskiiii
but make sure its completely dry before you start up you rig:yepp:
I just bought a set of Cellshock 8000 C4 from ebay and they are DOA... maybe I shoudl try the freezer trick before sending them back? lol :D
Depends how much you paid and if there are more sets left. If they were just cheap and none left you have nothing to lose by trying. If the freezer trick doesn't work try the oven trick :D
No not cheap lol...Cellshock 8000 C4 are like gold dust so people are prepared to bid high on them when they are listed. I was outbid on a set last week so when I came across this set for £45 buy it now I quickly took the plunge.
They are in the freezer but I'm dubious about the whole thing - I don't know what killed them. :shrug:
Well I'll be dayumed!! So far so good - after four hours in the Freezer followed by a quick blast from my wife's hair dryer, I have one stick happily priming 900MHz 4-4-4-12 at 2.1v. Before, neither stick would work even at 800mhz 4-4-4-12 2.1v. One down, one to go...
Update: All four sticks of Cellshock in now (2G 8000 C5 and 2G 8000 C4) and did dual Spi 32M at 900MHz 4-3-3-10 2.1v
The dilemma now is should I keep the sticks or ask for a refund? I don't know how long this "recovery" will last, and I'm going to try Orthos at 900MHz 4-3-3-10. I bought the OCZ XTC memory cooler specifically for my 4x1GB of GKX so I hope I get a decent 24/7 OC from these kits at 2.2v max. :yepp:
Update #2: Orthos is happy as larry at 900MHz 4-3-3-10, 2.1v. Going to do more overclocking. :D
not helping :(
doing everything working great pass all tests exept memtest :(
is some test wich is doing same as memtest ?
keep the sticks but ask that :banana::banana::banana::banana:sucker for some $$$ backQuote:
Originally Posted by LennyRhys
ebay is full of scum sellin bad stuff
SUCCESS! :up: After four hours in the freezer my 8000 C4 sticks are right at home with my 8000 C5 kit, 950MHz 4-3-4-10 on 2.15v bios :cool:
http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/m...x1gbcas434.png
this was a no go for my mushkin redline pc2 8000 (5-5-5-12) i froze the dead stick for a few days and it stil didnt want to boot after being thawed out. i may try heating it up to see if that does anythin for me because if it does, it saves me 3 weeks of RMA time with mushkin
also, what temp was reccomended again?
I've heard 200C for 20 mins. I'm glad I didn't need to bake mine, but the hair dryer on full blast made them very hot, far too hot to touch.
so waht if i tried doing that with the headspreaders on (just so i know they hvae an even temperature)
would that work?
Most likely, the visit to the freezer helps fix a bad solder joint(s) on the ballgrid array ddr2 chips.
All sticks should come with a big red warning... be extremely careful in handling. Rough handling... and maybe high temp caused expansion... can make perfectly good sticks stop working.
These things are WAY WAY more delicate than good old DDR.
I can't see any mechanism where something INSIDE the actual chips could "get fixed" by going in the freezer.
I'm still not sure whether or not my memory is "fixed" - first boot this morning resulted in a long beep with C1 code which is a memory error, then my mobo went to safe mode (800mhz 5-5-5-15) so I had to manually set it to 950mhz 4-3-4-10 again. It's working fine now but I'm dubious about my most recent kit. Perhaps the freezer can make it better for a while, but if the previous owner had this kit at 2.5v for extended benching sessions, that's a bit of a death sentence. Still waiting to hear from him. :mad:
It's not quite as bad as I expected, but still a bit unnerving - the previous owner ran the memory at 960MHz 4-4-4-12 with 2.3v for over a year. :eek: I'm thinking he just didn't need all that voltage for that speed, seeing that in my system his memory can do 960MHz 4-3-4-10 on under 2.2v. :shrug: If I get any more trouble from it, it's going back in the freezer for 24 hours. After that, I'm gonna hope for the best. :yepp:
What about chlling it to a lower temp ? Dice ? LN2 ?
How did I miss this thread? *scurries off to throw his dead Ballistix in a freezer*
Experiment 1.
MY WR 2600 pro's memory crapped out in my friends rig at stock volts stock clocks due to lack of ventilation ( dust blocking the heatsink) cores still clock fine ram won't clock at all, lost 125mhz.
Removed heatsink, heated up to normal operating temps via a Hairdryer, Placed in zip lock and tossed in freezer....We shall see what happens....Doing 1 at a time...
It's uses quimonda 2.5's ddr2....
I had my success at 180'c but 200'c should be just as good. Bare in mind that anything over about 50'c is hot to the touch, so your RAM probably didn't get very hot. I reckon the cold did it for you :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by LennyRhys
Absolutely - and it took only four hours. After hearing that the previous owner had them at 2.3v for 14 months, I'm not in the least bit bothered taking them to 2.175v, which up till now I've been wary of. Just below 2.2v allows me 4-3-3-10 at 950MHz, which is perfect for me.
This thread should earn you some sort of honour on the forum lol. Many thanks. :up:
one quick question before i do this, do you do it with your headspreaders on or off????????? i dont know how important that is. (heating them up that is)
just dont forget your 680i is infamous for killing d9;)Quote:
Originally Posted by LennyRhys
dont set ram drive level to strong
well i just tried this with my mushkin and it saved it. i can run up to 548mhz (i could do that before) and this is just a run @ the fastest speeds i can do it with..when i run it @ 487mhz the speeds are only in the 8000's across the board.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...x/fixedram.jpg
thank you for the fix! :) i think i'll stick with my black Pi though because they like running @ the same speeds at 4-4-4-10 1T! good to have an extra set around though as backup.
Ooh, this is bookmarked! I know mine will fail soon, they have been running for almost a year at 2.2 volts.
*UPDATE!!!*
I took them out after 20min and as steady as i am today i dropped them on the floor again just ones they came out from oven LOL!
I used one of those hmm pressure things you use when you glue wood and such, BMF with other words.
BUT 1 stick is running again!!! LOL!!!!
Have done it again with the other one and put it in the freezer with pressure still applied.
Will test it soon..
The stick that lost all chips will be tried also but aligning it to correct posistion on the PCB before i put it to oven will be VERY difficult i guess.
Thanks whoever posted the info about the oven trick! I will come sleep with you next week.
*END UPDATE*
Wtf is wrong with todays RAM ??
I been off from computing some years but to make a short story even shorter:
I dropped one RAM to the floor and picked it up, but the heatspreader fell off and took all chips with it.
Then i got 2 ballistix D9 and waited until yesterday to try them on.
They have both been working before and i tried to take a peak at the chips but the glue seemed strong and i didnt wanna bend the heatspreader to much.
Put them into comp and the refuse to start.
So i took a closer look and noticed that 1 chip is loose on both of them, so i guess that little peak i took killed them ?!
Not fully loose but you can see the chip moving a little when bending on the heatspreader.
Im not nice to hardware but i never ruin them either well at least until now.
Never seen this before..is it so very bad quality on them today ?
The stick that lost every chip has somewhat like 50/50 hit on what lost the connection some from the chips and some from the PCB.
I clamped them now under a little pressure and have them in oven, will check if i can reconnect the solderpoints.
LMFAO my 2600 Pro # 1 is back from the dead, doing 525 ram again NO ARTIFACTS where it would only do 450 yesterday max and with artifacts 400 stable. :clap::up: I just tossed the other one in the freezer.
Today at stock clocks on cpu and less system ram 650 core/525 ram.
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=9843248
2 days ago when they were screwed and could only do 600core/400 ram paired with a PH 2 @ 4.0gig
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=9820519
I've put my Cellshok 8000 C4s back in the freezer. Even though they worked totally fine, I'd have to restart my PC three times to get to desktop, after which I'd have no problems even with heavy stress testing - prime for two hours without a hitch.
Will be taking it out again tomorrow evening, so about 36 hours ice time. :D
you should not put them in if they were fine;)Quote:
Originally Posted by LennyRhys
My Team Xtreem sticks are starting to get a little degraded, guess I'll leave them in the freezer tonight :D
Wondering if I can just dip them in some LN2 for the same effect?
Great to hear :up: PM one of the admins if you think I need some sort of honour :p: I'm just glad to help.Quote:
Originally Posted by LennyRhys
I left the spreaders on every time ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by xdrift0rx
Drive strengths, I love them :D Killed a few TCCDs with my NF4 and drive strenghts.Quote:
Originally Posted by zsamz_
It's my pleasure :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by xdrift0rx
2.2v is rather high for 24/7 :D Remember to report back once you've tried to bring them back from the dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by l33t p1mp
That's the third card :DQuote:
Originally Posted by chew*
I think the shock of a sudden 200'c drop might not be good for them. Report back :DQuote:
Originally Posted by sno.lcn
I put my Cell Shocks in the freezer for another 30 hours and unfortunately they still don't like to work first go. They are fine now, but it took me 5 minutes to get my PC up and running. The freezing thing can't have hurt though. :D
Worked fine with my SuperTalent 1Gb 800Mhz!
Thanxs!
How did you clean the ram after his method?
Clean the ram? I put it in foil, then in the freezer, and when I took it out I gave it a once over with a hair dryer. Good to go. :up:
yea, this actually a pretty good method. I typically havent had good results with booting up with freezing d9 chips. however when i heated them up with a heater they were good to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by LennyRhys
Second 2600 pro card is back from the dead for the most part, stuck at 400 ram other day now does 520 ram, used to do 525.......I'm not complaining though ;)
730core/520 ram No tweaks.......
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm06=9863436
43 points away from my current WR ;) and at stock clocks on CPU.
Kudos to OP :clap: My 2600's are on fire again. To bad this didn't fix my d9's :rofl:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...63&postcount=1
lol does freezing them alone help mhz ?Quote:
Originally Posted by LennyRhys
Chalk up another success story.
Nothing special but nice to know I have another backup set of XMS2 sitting around ;)
I've taken my Cell Shock 8000 C4 kit out - can't boot my PC if it's in, so there's nothing left to do. A lot of people have been getting the "C1" error and they say it's the mobo; in my case, the mobo is fine but the ram is dying. My other Cell Shock kit is no trouble at all. :(
EDIT: now it's on ebay. Ah well, it was fun while it lasted (when it worked lol). :yepp:
Anybody see a Cell Shock 8000 C4 kit for sale, I'll have it.
This extends much further than just HDD's and RAM. Users on head-fi do the same thing with music players and head phones (apparently it fixes/improves sound) and get the same sort of results (virtually 50/50).
I may confirm that this method is working.
I have 2 kits of Team xtreme TXDD1024M667HC3DC-M and older one( 2 Y )
started causing instaability.
Orthos and Goldmemory was failing immediately.
One stick is fine now but other one is still resisting.
Long winter is in front of that one )))
Oj101 thank you very much for sharing this.:up:
I'm glad to help :up:
Tossed a set of Team eXtreem TXDD2048M667HC3DC-M into the freezer for a week, still won't boot with as much as 2.4V so no good for me. I guess I'll try to battle through for an RMA.
Try putting them in the oven @ 400F for ~8 mins. Then one more trip to the freezer. :D Worked for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by gillbot
brought back my D9DCD's from a bunch of 3.5v runs
this is stable again
http://img.techpowerup.org/090224/Capture054250.jpg
Man, you just can't touch Fat Bodies... Stable at almost 2.8v? Madness :D Benched at 3.5v? Madness :D 3-2-2-1? Madness :D
what will happen if normal memory go into freeze like that ????
Statistically, there's a 55.06% chance of it working again :up:
cdawall
Woah 2.77vdimm is a :banana::banana::banana::banana: load :eek:
I thought it was bad that I needed 2.3v.
Nah, already trying to RMA though Teem eXteem RMA is rather difficult.Quote:
Originally Posted by PizzaMan
what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Oj101
i just ran some benchies @3v 1080 4-4-4-12 so freezer works considering they couldn't post @stock 533 4-4-4-12Quote:
Originally Posted by fatguy1992
I ran some benches @ 3.8v for few hours, only one stick (3 are ok ;) ) have sometimes problems to boot - depends on mobo ;)
WUT ? 3.8v thats lot of juice.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaSell
Hey Guys, Have 1 stick of Crucial Ballistix Tracer that is giving me lots of errors in memtest. I tried 24hr in the freezer and this had no effect. I decided to try again so I've put it back in for 2 days so far. If the cold doesnt work I'm thinking to try the heating method.
This ram is the Tracer d9's with leds so I was concerned about to much high heat. Can someone here advise me what I need to do using the heat method of trying to bring the stick back?
From what I understand from reading back into the posts I should put it in the over for 20 mins in foil @ 350 degrees F/180C.
Whats the preferred method here for trying to bring this bugger back to life.
Someone here should really be following the procedures and success stories so that a best chance method and procedures sticky could be established and then dialed in by the results of all the people trying to bring bad memory back to life. :)
Tks
Bcc335 :)
cdawall, I just love old D9 Fat Bodies :D
Bcc335, the freezer method has a much higher success rate, but if it doesn't work for you the oven will almost certainly work.
Update to all... My RAM is STILL alive, I benched with it this weekend :)
Whats the safe temp for oven? I need to melt the solder points ever so gently, got overly excited at the first heatspreader coming off easily with hairdryer :D
Gonna use a couple C clamps to apply pressure. Its still attached to spreader and I actually did not remove heatspreader once I saw it pop off the PCB, so alignment is fine just need to melt the solder joint a tad.
Been seeing most pl say either ~350 and 15-20mins or ~400 and ~8mins. Looks like delicate work for you. You will prbly need to put a very small amount of pressure on them while in the oven, if the spreader is bent back. The solder will cool and harden very quickly. If the spreader is not bent and looks like good contact, I would not press on the spreader.
Good luck.
haha I just tested a dead gpu, takes 2 minutes at 550F to cleanly remove a gpu core ;) guinea pig is done ram going in one stick at a time.
Hmmm, once you've perfected it can you please replace the 4.5ns RAM on my old graphics card with something faster so I can easily take the record? :ROTF:
Errr.........What to do with the ram after take it out of freezer???
Use hairdryer to dry it???What about the hs??Need to take out and dry as well?
Or just put it aside for 1 day or what then install it??
My Xtreem 1066mhz CL5 D9GKX had been spewing out BSOD so i put it into freezer for a day with aluminum foil wrapped:D
So far after plugging the ram in,it work and never chunk out BSOD:D
Haven't try to do another 1200 CL4 pass yet:)
I'm trying this on some old A-Data right now....
Edit: It worked...They were in the freezer for about 5 hours. They have been stable in Prime for 4 hours overclocked to 960MHz. I am a happy camper.
one hyper going into the freezer tonite :p
same thing happened to me... my friend brought me a athlon x2 4200+ that was not working, when I put it in my pc, it doesn't give any signals (not even on the PCI debug card) , so I putted it in the freezer for 2 days and it was working last night, overclocked well to 3ghz, this morning it isn't working again... :(
back to the freezer :cool:
funny thing is that i didn't know about this thread, at my local forum, a user posted a link that got me here
Linky to the other forums?
well, they are in serbian so I think you won't understand anything but here they are:
http://www.sk.rs/forum/showthread.php?t=56818
http://www.benchmark.rs/forum/showthread.php?t=227438
I'm taking it out of the freezer tonight, if it works again I will post some pics, it's currently noon here.
hi guys i have 2 pairs of dead cellshock 8000 c4.they died at 2.5 v on p35 ds3l.drive strength was high.i put them in the freezer 24 hours(with heat spreaders) but no success.what do you suggest?they have d9gkx as well as you know.should i try the oven trick or put them in the freezer for longer hours?
try againQuote:
Originally Posted by I_shot
@ least 3 times
you can always try the oven @ 420 afterwards
but drivestrenght on them gigabut boards are reall killers
thanx for the reply man,you mean 420 F 8 minutes in oven?or 20 minutes dont know the time
yup 8 minQuote:
Originally Posted by I_shot
but try freezing it first a few times
the over is like a desperate attempy
if you can rma i would skip the oven;)
i've read all 12 pages about d9 and i decided to put the rams in the freezer at a colder temp =) maybe the temperature was the issue
Perhaps for a bit longer too? When I first tried it was overnight :)
i put a set of ballistix d9gmh a few months back for 3 hours and now they run better than before
last year i had to put a set of firestix 3 times before they got fixed
When I discovered the trick I thought if I helped one person I'd accomplished something, it's really good to know that you're one of many I've helped and you've been helped twice over :) Keep clocking hard my friend :up:
Had some d9 GKX ( the corsair dominator hand picked ones) They arrived DOA freezer for the night and no luck :(
Got some single sided kingston ones today, killed them in a matter of hours :shakes: Stuck em in the freezer got em out and BINGO
http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/9641/btuklcc.png Way better than before as well :rofl:
i been doin that to electric components for 20 + years lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Oj101
For how long have you been doing it to RAM? :D And do you have an explanation as to why it works?
its the solder that expands contracts that fixes itQuote:
Originally Posted by Oj101
i been doin it mainly for circuit boards
when i was 5 i learned if i put a dead battery in freezer i would get more life from it
i first did a set of ddr years ago didnt work
wohoooo !!! after 1-2 days in freezer i tried to boot them but no luck and today i decided to heat the rams wtih heat gun at 400 C for two minutes..and boommmm.my cellshocks are back in business :) :) thank you guys..this method rocks
I wish this method worked for me I have 6GB of dead D9's :(
did you bombard your d9 over 2.8v?Quote:
Originally Posted by fatguy1992
hımm i cant pass memtest at 2.3V even at 800 mhz cas5..i think i need to put them back in the freezer again :)
I did, sometimes on air :D DI got me this though http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=417271 :p: It was well worth the dead set I ended up with :rotf:Quote:
Originally Posted by zsamz_
edit:2.4 v solved the problem..works like a charm now..:clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by I_shot
last edit:2.3 v 1000 mhz 4 4 4 12(after second freeze)
guys one of my stick works great but the other one needs higher voltages.i have to set the voltage to 2.6v for 1066 mhz 4 4 4 12 :( at 2.5 v memtest gives error...back to freeze again ? :D
I just wanted to say thnx a bunchfor posting in this thread the method for recovering operation of my ram. Saved me the hassle of an rma on my ballistixs tracer. I placed one stick that was hanging the post process in the freezer and forgot it for three weeks. Found it again while looking for ice cream on a munchie attack. Popped it in my sons puter after warming and drying was finished and voila its working again.
Cool, you owe me an ice-cream :(