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thank for the update Msimax, but i think that is better to wait for shangai core with 45nm production tecnology....
I'll be able to use 800MHz ddr2 and (i hope) ASUS will release a new bios in order to support the new shangai with better support...
I just ordered my board today. I'm happy to be on the dual socket gravy train. :) Mostly will be used for World Grid and digital animation.
Time to go hunting for some dual quadcore's.
I could'nt pass up the deal greatvaluedeals had on fleebay with 8347s so I bought my long awaited 4 socket Tyan Thunder. I'll be happy with 4-1900mhz bangers until I can snarf some cheap Shangs. FL, you will love it. Even with two in this rig, I was pleased with performance. Four Xigmatek 92mm sinks keep this puppy cool and don't sound like a B17 strata fortress taking off.
What memory are you using with a pair of quadcore opterons? I'm looking for a 4gb kit for now. Will these sticks work?
http://www.computermemorycanada.com/...=52.3155&ons=N
Oops.. just realised that's not registered. You apparently need reg. RAM for Barcelona.Quote:
Originally Posted by freeloader
So your options are:
2x1gb DDR800 ECC Reg. CL5 http://shop.kingston.com/PartsInfo.a...800D2D8P5K2/2G
2x2gb DDR800 ECC Reg. CL6 http://shop.kingston.com/PartsInfo.a...800D2D8P6K2/4G
If I were in the same position as you (and I am.. lol) I'd go for 2 of the 2x1gb kits - 4x1gb will allow you to use dual-channel and provide adequate room for future expansion (As long as you're not using the L1n64...)
The product name suggests they are PC6400, and it says 800MHz in the description, but the label on the stick says they are PC5300 :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by msimax
http://www.ewiz.com/newg/T/8/0/T800RB1G/T800RB1G_LG.GIF
Note that the product code is the same (T800RB1G)...
http://www.computermemorycanada.com/...=37.4284&ons=N
If that's the stuff, then I'm ordering now. :D
Today (after installing arctic RC ram coolers) i got 2.7GHz running stable without any issues by getting a 270MHz FSB speed...
:up:
And i think i can go further.... :up:
Hey msimax, how are your 8224??? did the nTune trick give any help with your overclock???:D
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=410404
Does anyone know if the MSI Speedster supports split power planes? The board posted earlier in this thread shows what appears to be 4 phase power (4 enclosed coils along each cpu).
I recall seeing a post in another forum which implied that split power plane would be required for Shanghai 45nm chips.
The Speedster2 picture at the MSI site has what looks like 5 phase power, but it is not the actually photo of the board. Are 5 phases required for split plane power, or can it be done with four phases?
According to a forum member over at msi.forums, a tech at MSI says the Speedster2 is exactly the same as v1.1, but with the 8 mb bios chip. :shrug:
I wish DFI would release a dual socket 1207 workstation board :)
the only model which supports DDPM is Speedster2, the regular speedster is a simple Socket F while the Speedster2 is a Socket F+.
Phases have nothing to do with power planes, with multiple phases you can supply more energy to the same components by having more stability, while DDPM is a dual dinamic power managment, which means that there are 2 power planes (not phases) that can be powered differently in order to disable one of the 2 units you need (like cores or IMC).
For Overclock purposes, socket F+ will give no benefits over Socket F.
Infact the DDPM is designed for better power menagement and less power consumption.
A Barcelona overclocking board is already out, the L1N64B was born for overclock, it needs only a final stage bios with all overclocking settings available....
I don't know if there's only a bios difference between the two models, even the components allocation is different between the two models, i dubt that DDPM is available also on regulat Speedster, a bios difference may change processor and memory support, but can't change hardware components...
Look at L1N64, there is no difference between the to boards, (only colors and the main WS/B "stiky"), but all the components are the same, nothing changes, infact there no DDPM support on this board, even in the WS/B model.
If you have to choose a board, choose the Speedster2 for better power managment, otherwise, if you are going to overclock, go for some MCP55/MCP55Pro boards which are nTune compatible.
Remember that server and workstation boards usually don't have overclocking options, that means you'll have to overclock under windows (or linux).
ill know when i get my pots and it worksQuote:
Originally Posted by yankeex86x
Does anyone know where Likmark is gone??? I need to ask him something...
Maybe I found the way to have all memory modules and getting full overclock with L1N64 and barcy.....
For now I have only 1 CPU (because i'm waiting for Shangai), but likmark has got 2, then he has 4x2Gb memory modules....
If he tries to load only DDR slots B1-A2-B2 without setting the first one we might be able to run the system in 533 memory mode so we can overclock up to 2.7GHz via nTune..
If it really works (i can't try because i've only one cpu), we might install 2x2Gb memory modules + 2x1Gb memory modules giving 3Gb of Ram for each cpu and different size for every channel, this will disable the dual channel memory configuration while improving overclocking capabilities.
I run several tests on other motherboards and the trfc is both stable on 75ns and 125ns, and I found somewhere that K10 based processors have some problems with dual channel and unganged/ganged memory mode, so with this trick the motherboard will get maximum speed and overclock....
the only downside will be the memory subsytem with the dual channel inoperability...
Hey Likmark! where are you??
Hey guys,
I finally got my Dual opteron 285 system up and running. One thing though my second cpu is only running at 200mhz HT, cpu 1 is running at 1000mhz HT. My hypertransport settings are set to auto.
This is on a supermicro h8dce, Any ideas?
any idea guys?
its weird cpuz and CrystalCPUID report different.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3067/...05b6920e_o.jpg
Also I've a supermicro h8dce, I managed to find a vesion of clockgen specific to the nForce4 chipset (other versions/sofwtare -aka ntune, crystalcpuid, etc.. simply dont work at all on this mb) When I try to install/run I get the same messagebox saying "driver init error" or "unable to init driver" or "driver not found" depending on the version of clockgen, Is there a way out there to OC under Vista x64?
Ive read the thread from 2cpu.com (http://forums.2cpu.com/showthread.php?t=65349&page=97 ) and they all use the nforce version of clockgen or the 1.04 version and i get that error.
Any ideas? or any other software i can try?
I'm having some trouble modding the K9ND BIOS - if anyone could help me, I'd really appreciate it ;)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...00#post3288300
@nohrt - I think you can OC using RW-Everything. I will post more info when I have a bit more time, sorry I can't be more helpful right now...
i got the oc working with clockgen
Thanks!
Hey, anyone know if the L1N64-SLI WS /B is gonna support the shanghai's? And does anyone have any speculation as to the price range of ~2ghz shanghai's? I just returned my 2350 as defective and am wondering if I should even get a replacement or just wait and buy shanghai's when they come out.
thats up too asus to decide their technical support sucks and even though amd stop supporting the platform every time i turn around the boards are sold out. so if you have one please register it and complain to asus for support
Yeah, you aren't kidding about their tech support. I talked to one of them the other day when I was troubleshooting the cpu/board to figure out which it was, the guy that I talked to just copy and pasted crap from their public website that I already looked through, and he ended up just telling me that the B3 steppings are not supported because its not listed under supported processors....of the 0401 BIOS. I wanted to jump through the chat window and strangle him.
I also wanna know of the Asus mobo is going to support the shanghai....hope so
I have a question that someone can feel free to refer me somewhere else if need be :)
Are there any plans for a crossfire version for Socket F? I keep looking at this Asus board and cant help but wonder if there with ever be an AMD/ATI variant. Is there any news or hint of a board with an amd chipset in the near future? Its seem they would with over a year still left before G34 comes out.
Just wondering. thanks
Yes.
Once the server side switches to Fiorano we should be getting a WORKSTATION platform based on either RD790 or RD890.
CF is a certain.
So the weirdest thing just happened...
I'm finally back at home for summer and started playing around with the K9ND system.
First thing I did (of course) was to go all-out and stick in my mod BIOS, both FX-74s, standard DDR2 in the slots, fire her up, and.. no POST.
So I put in a single opteron intead, and... no POST
Swap the RAM for ECC Reg. DDR2, opteron in, swap in the standard BIOS, and.. it works...
Going through the RAM settings I spot a bug - completely disabling ECC seems to result in no POST, no matter the CPU. I find that disabling all ECC options except 'ECC error log' works and memtest86+ shows ECC as disabled. Non-ECC, non-reg. ram still results in failure to pass POST.
So a few minutes ago, without a JTAG card handy to debug the problems with my mod BIOS, I think, 'what the hell, might as well try it' and swap the Opteron 2216 for a single AthlonFX-74. And... she boots! This is the standard BIOS remember. Multiplier is wrong, though, it's running at a measly 2GHz... I think it may still be using the multiplier from the previous CPU (the 2216). Will do some more investigating and keep you posted.
:D
EDIT:
Just re-enabled ECC and she's memtesting without a problem, I'm gonna mod my BIOS settings back to re-enable it. Just to clarify, the Athlon FX's don't support ECC, but getting past POST with it enabled in BIOS is no problem, at least on the K9ND...
JTAG card should arrive tomorrow, I'll hopefully be able to delve into things a little deeper :up:.
Thanks for letting me know. I've had enough of my Asus L1n64-SLI WS not posting no matter what I do.
And those wonderful people as Asus :cussing: returned my RMA because there was a scratch on the motherboard. So I'm :soap:
I've been thinking about get the MSI K9ND Speedster instead. Will the MSI K9ND Speedster work with dual 2352?
Side Note-->
After ASUS :cussing: sent me back my board. I was pissed so I stuffed it in the oven at 200 degrees for 10 minutes. That stopped the one long beep followed by two short beeps I was getting. Now the :cussing: won't POST. And nothing shows up on my monitor.
This isn't working. I am having absolutely no luck flashing anything, stock or modded 8mb or 4mb, onto the 8mb chip... phlash16 complains of the part not being in the 'supported part table' or somesuch, even though it is the very exact same chip that MSI specify on their website. :mad::mad::mad:
Flashrom just gives up with an 'image size doesn't match' message.
Just to try, I tried flashing the latest 4mb BIOS (onto the 4mb chip), which was a success. It seems each BIOS chip has a Device ID and Mfr ID - I'm gonna have to try and hexedit them into Phlash16.exe :shakes:
@ Takealready - Sounds like a sucky situation. I'd say the K9ND is kind of a dead-end board tbh - I got it cheap, otherwise I would have gone for a Tyan. MSI support has been helpful so far, but they stopped releasing BIOS for this board long ago, it doesn't even support Barcelona B3! Maybe I can transplant AGESA from Tyan n3600, it looks simple but it might not be and I don't know if my skill is up to it, and I probably won't have quad-cores to test with for quite a while yet.
EDIT:
eek - thunder & lighting outside, my screen just flickered. I'm surge protected but the wiring in the house isn't the best. Probably a sign that it's time to give up on computers for this afternoon!
Have you tried using Uniflash 1.40? I had success with it in my own hot flashing adventure on an 8 Mbit SST 49LF080A. It supports a lot of other chips as well.
Thanks for chiming in, Particle :)
I tried uniflash 1.40 (locked up) and 1.47 (unsupprted ROM). The ROM is a Winbond W39V080APZ, just as MSI specifies. Maybe I would have more luck with a more generic ROM.
The closest I got was with flashrom (coreboot's flash utility) under Linux - it recognised the MCP and the ROM and initialized it for writing, then exited with the 'image size doesn't match' error. There is no working 'force' option :(
PS., as you can see, the storm is over. Kind of :ROFL:
Well, this v1.30 BIOS gives a bad CMOS checksum on every boot - nothing seems to fix it, meaning none of my BIOS settings stick. No biggie, seeing as it's only a stopgap I guess. Probably a bad transfer from web->floppy->BIOS, should have checksummed at every step really.
A little offtopic, here's some pics to remind me of what the system hopefully will be like when it's done :)
http://www.abload.de/img/swiftysinplacesmall3pix.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/1lqi8.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/3uu94.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/2kpc0.jpg
http://www.abload.de/img/4xsdg.jpg
Check the LPC ROM controller on your board--it'll probably be a Winbond chip. They are often capable of using a wide variety of chips, and your motherboard itself couldn't care less so long as the controller works with the chip. They're all very similar. If so, you could try a more generic ROM of the capacity you need. You might also try padding your image with zeros to match the capacity of the ROM. I'm not sure if you need to pad the beginning or end, however. I had a chip fail some blocks near the end and the 8KB boot block was surprisingly dead. Could have just been a glitch.
The ROM was modded with PBE, and it seems to pad automatically - the output was exactly 1024kB. I assue the LPC ROM and the Super I/O chip are one and the same? Winbond W83627EHG. I'll have a look for an 8mb chip that works with uniflash...Quote:
Originally Posted by Particle
EDIT:
Oh, and thanks for the help
Right, looks like it's going to have to be the SST 49LF080A :)
Thanks for the tip
EDIT:
Thought you might want to know, Russian version of Uniflash 2.00 is in testing:
http://translate.google.com/translat...istory_state0=
Just tried it, very nice interface and features. Alas, no support for my chip..
Yes, that Winbond is probably it. It's described as an "LPC IO" which is for your BIOS chip--not your SuperIO controller. That'll probably be another Winbond chip of a different model elsewhere on your board. We have similar controllers, actually, so I imagine there's a good chance of it working with the SST.
Yours is a W83627EHG and mine is a W83627HG. :) Not sure what the difference is atm.
Quote:
Originally Posted by karbonkid
Thanks for the honesty Karbon Kid. I was hoping the MSI would have more support (as well as be more flexable with what processors it can handle) than the L1N64-SLI. So I guess my dreams of having a dual socket/8 core monster/ SLI beast will have to put on off for now.
Their are some K9ND on ebay for cheap (under $170). But I didn't want to waste any more money. My L1n64-SLI was $175 from "the bay". And now I've got a $175 paperweight :shrug:
Flashing onto the SST with Uniflash fails... I decided to take a dump of the original BIOS and compare it to the .WPH, and, you guessed it... They're different. It seems the Phoenix utility patches something into the BIOS before flashing it. Working on making a similarly patched ROM for the 8Mb chip now...
http://www.abload.de/img/dscf13685202.jpg
Having given up on the 8Mb ROM for now, I tried modding the 4Mb one. It stores microcode in a different form, but I put it in the same place as the 8Mb BIOS anyway, just to see what would happen. It picks up that it's an Athlon FX, but not yet the model no., nor does it set the correct multiplier, and feeds it a measly 1~1.1V; took about 15 reboots just for it to get to the boot prompt of a Live CD....
http://www.abload.de/img/dscf1369u0fh.jpg
Taken from my post on 2CPU:
Some early overclocking:
http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/2407/cpu3204.jpghttp://img44.imageshack.us/img44/2466/mainboardb.jpg
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/865/memory3204.jpg
http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/screenshot/635386.png
http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/banner/635386.png
My oh my that's :banana::banana::banana::banana: to my eyes. We want some 3D, Cinebench or whatever! :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hawkeye4077
I'm not done. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Smartidiot89
http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/screenshot/635582.png
Only setting I can change is Ram speed. HTT multi doesn't function, and I think I am hitting a fsb wall. I can keep it at 3.5ghz, but its not stable.
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/5341/27693698.jpg
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/3/47704854.jpg
VERY IMPRESSIVE Hawkeye4077:!!! :clap:
Is CPU-Z reporting the correct voltages?
If not, what are you using to tweak those setting?
Reguardless..... Your my hero! :D
Wow ,, another good 4xDouble Oc...You are doing some nice tweaking.
we need Real FX style enthusiast Dual 2x Socket mobos for 1207 and PHII AM3..
Vcore for this cpu is 1.25, i cannot change them in anyway. What CPU-Z shows is good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daveburt714
Only thing I use is Clockgen. I leave my ram at default speed of DDR2-800, overclocked it runs at 938mhz
Although if i could find a way to change vcore and actually have the HTT multi function, I'd have alot farther to go.
Great work, Hawkeye (Rok?). Amazing to see what those Shanghais are capable of in the right hands. Have you tried ntune? It might give you the OC options you are looking for...
Ok nvidia's replacement for ntune, does me a little less work, but no further. 3400 looks like the cap without further increasing vcore.
Clockgen i had to go no more than 2-3 steps at a time. Whereas the nvidia software does it all in one and automatically at windows boot.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/nvidia_...ools_6.05.html