[PROJECT] Homewrecker V2

Evil....

I've heard of a few people with some complaints about this case and I wanted to know if any of them are valid.

1) "The side panel is flimsy and is not brushed aluminum like the rest of the case is"

2) "The side panel never fits on correctly... same thing with the motherboard tray. The screws never line up properly"

3) "The hard drive mounting system makes it so that the hard drives are not mounted straight because when you turn the screws, it moves them"

Also, how do you recommend stealthing a DVD Drive to perfectly match this case?

Thanks

Hey thanks guys,

@disruptfam: im using the AF-S DX NIKKOR 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G VR w/ VR on

@RAID: thanks! :)

@b@llz0r: no theres two loops,

loop 1: CPU + NB + SB + 360GTX + D5-V
loop 2: GPU + GPU + MOSFET + MOSFET + MCR320 + DDC

the DDC will be on the GPU loop :up:

ok small update, the DDC is just there its not going to be
part of that loop though it is right below the res. i mounted
the first res for the CPU loop, looks like a good place for it,
the second loop is going to be filled from the back though the
"T" on the bottom GPU, like charles_h's murderbox. i
need to move the fillport around as you can see its not aligned
very well. the MCR is mounted up too but no fans yet, still
need to finalize the rad grill design. debating weather or not to
get things powdercoated is hard, theres not alot of places that
will do such a small job locally, i may end up taking it to the
shop and spraying it myself. i am very low on funds (D60.. lol)
right now, and i really want to have a nice finish on the inside.

things that still need to be done

1. finalize radgrill design
2. finalize front panel design
3. install and test D5-V @24v
4. refabricate inside panels covers (floor, 5.25 bay, mobo tray)
5. wire up LED light controler to accept 12v
6. lighting effects (blue led, uv cathos)
7. paint/powerdercoat interior

and a whole bunch more

enjoy

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:up:

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Originally Posted by Breathless

Evil....

I've heard of a few people with some complaints about this case and I wanted to know if any of them are valid.

1) "The side panel is flimsy and is not brushed aluminum like the rest of the case is"

2) "The side panel never fits on correctly... same thing with the motherboard tray. The screws never line up properly"

3) "The hard drive mounting system makes it so that the hard drives are not mounted straight because when you turn the screws, it moves them"

Also, how do you recommend stealthing a DVD Drive to perfectly match this case?

Thanks

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1. not true, the side panel is very strong, very thick material and it is also very nicely brushed, not sure where your getting this from

2. the side panel fits on very nicely and so does the mobo tray, maybe user error if anything

3. not sure what your asking here, the hard drive mounting system is pretty straigh forward, its just a 3.5" bay with a slot that sides in place on a mount that is held in place by a thumb screw

stealting a drive is pretty straight forward, all i did was cut off the arms on a bay cover and hot glued the face of the bay cover on top the front of the rom's tray. problem that i did have with this is that all the bay covers fit tightly so it may have some issues opening and reseating. you need to play around with all the bay covers to make enough clearance for the stealthed bay

check out b@llz0r's tj07, he did a quick tut on how he stealthed his drive :up:

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Originally Posted by RealRedRaider

@evil98

What's the ID of the barb on those Bitspower fittings you have on the CPU ?

Are those 1/2" x 3/4" ?

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roger :up:

What do you anticipate the noise level being on this system with your two water pumps? Do you think it will be quieter than a Mach II?

I am coming from phase and coverting to watercooling (less worry)

I am going to build a very similar system to what you have here, but I am concerned that it won't be any quieter, which is one of the things I am most looking forward to about a watercooling setup.

Thanks

wow nice tubings! looks amazing!

A beautiful system, and beautiful photography too.

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Originally Posted by Breathless

What do you anticipate the noise level being on this system with your two water pumps? Do you think it will be quieter than a Mach II?

I am coming from phase and coverting to watercooling (less worry)

I am going to build a very similar system to what you have here, but I am concerned that it won't be any quieter, which is one of the things I am most looking forward to about a watercooling setup.

Thanks

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well actually this system is quiet loud, theres 3x 120mm 114 CFM panas for in a pull
on the 360GTX. thats pretty much the main source of the sound, there is a
high pitched hum from the 3x 40mm fan, and the 2x 92mm make a decend amount
as well. generally im not a sound guy, well my next build will be but generally
im not a sound guy.

heres a pic of how the loops work, hopefully without issues :up:

thats looking nice.. i like the way you connected the gpu block to a drain port :D

looking really good evil!!

wow man great job!

ive been getting a lot of ideas on component placement from your build and charles'. :up:

Thanks alot guys, picked up a few fans yesterday, just
need some spacers and longer screws, but so good so
far, i wish all of the case componets were black.. lol

anyways

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cheers

looking good evil! :up:

which is this fan exacly?

Very good job, but you need to put some spasers. This pump will go with the fan a the middle par of the tj07?

Regards!

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Originally Posted by SaNxU

which is this fan exacly?

Very good job, but you need to put some spasers. This pump will go with the fan a the middle par of the tj07?

Regards!

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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835119068

yea i know i need spacers :up: if i have time after work ill pick them up today

the fan will be mounted behind a panel but the panel will be acrylic so youll be
able to see the fan, so the pump will appear flush to the panel and the fan will
be space out behind the mount :up:

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Originally Posted by evil-98

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16835119068

yea i know i need spacers :up: if i have time after work ill pick them up today

the fan will be mounted behind a panel but the panel will be acrylic so youll be
able to see the fan, so the pump will appear flush to the panel and the fan will
be space out behind the mount :up:

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Thanks for the fan info!

If you want you can took an old fan with the same sizes like yours and take apart the rotor, so you will have only the body, and you can use it as spacer, and the air didn't escape... don't know if i has explained well...

PD: are you using your d60? the pics look awasome evil!
PD2: will you power coat the internals of the tj07?

Regards!

@SaNxU: you would actually want the air to escape if its sealed the air has
no place to go, something like negative pressure? im just going to get some
metal spacers that i can find at the hardware store.

i am using the D60 in these shoots :) thanks

im not so sure about powder coating the internals for a couple reasons.

1. im very low in funds
2. theres no close local coater that will do it for a fair price, a specially
such a small job.

anyways i think im done with the rad grill design, im liking this one.
what do you guys think? is pretty generic but it fits the design well

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cheers

I love the way the UV lighting looks on watercooling setups.

However, I have a wife that has a skin condition and she gets skin cancer very easily. What I want to know is this....

Are those UV cathodes bad for you? I can see that the cathodes themselves are blocked for the most part by the casing, but is the light thats reflecting off of the components still harmful? I don't want to hurt my skin or the skin of my wife over time because of "bling". I cannot seem to find any information online saying whether this UV lighting in our computers is bad or not.

Thanks,

Brian

updates?

i got an update, not much but an updates an update.

ill post some pics tomorrow, this machine (unfinished Day and Night)
has nothing on it until i get the CPU rmaed (stuck sensors bother me)

but i got the screws and spacers for the fan, and things are
looking good.

after much talk with Martinm120 and reading over his testing he had
previously concluded that the D5-V will not benefit from going over
13vdc... so as bummed as that is atleast i have 2 DDC + XSPC tops
which he also concluded to be the current king of pressure. i could
go with dual pumps (D5-V) but that would mean id have to rip one D5
out of my other machine (Day and Night) which maybe an option since
im going to RMA the CPU soon. im just not sure if i will benefit from
all the pressure/flow. i do have the radiator space for the heat dump
but the question is "is it really worth the trouble" i mean if there was a
"COOLER" option (some kinda dual top for D5s that was blingy) then of
course but just two D5s next to each other with tube going around
them doesnt do it for me. i mean i wanted to go dual DDCs untill i put
the two next to each other and said eww..

so as of now its DDCs in this rig, i will try the D5-V at 24 anyways just
for fun (huge peeing contest, dont got enough tube to do a head pressure
test)

another thing, hopefully i get some good news. anyways the radgrill and
front panel maybe made very soon (which is exciting for me atleast) and
hopefully can get my interior powder coated or get some time in the booth.

im just so low on money right now, its getting tough with the price of
everything rising, i might have to settle (which i hate oh so much) but
well see.

anyways

@Breathless: after doing much research and understanding your post
ive concluded that though UV cathos do emit UV rays (which in this
case are UVA rays) it maybe no different then being out side without
sunglasses or sunblock for a few minutes.

now this is interesting, i just read that polycarbonate blocks most UV rays
now only if the protective tube on the cathos were made of polycarb then
we wouldnt have any issues at all. too bad its acrylic..

another thing im reading is general fluorescent (CCFL - FL stands for fluorescent
light) UV lights are simple made with Wood's glass which basically blocks all visible
light and only emits very low level long waved uv which doesnt damage much

i think its safe to say that there isnt going to be much of an effect from prolonged
exposure. but i do have on solution for you if you do feel uncomfortable with it.

Switch your windows acrylic to polycarbonate :up:

sources

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum...fm/739761.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultravi..._sources_of_UV
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_cathode

hope that helps :up:

Thank you very much, I appreciate your help :)

Well I find that if I stare at my UV CCFL [yeah I had to try] the sensation is unpleasant to say the least. However I don't plan on having them on all the time so I guess in Breathless' case, you can turn them on when your wife isn't there. I mean do a lot of people have them on 24/7?

Oh man that rad grill is to die for Evil. Great work.

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Originally Posted by MomijiTMO

Well I find that if I stare at my UV CCFL [yeah I had to try] the sensation is unpleasant to say the least. However I don't plan on having them on all the time so I guess in Breathless' case, you can turn them on when your wife isn't there. I mean do a lot of people have them on 24/7?

Oh man that rad grill is to die for Evil. Great work.

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What do you mean by unpleasant?

Well if I looked at it any longer my eyes would have started water ;). It is nothing like say looking at the sun but I would rather not stick my face next to it to see what would happen.

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Originally Posted by MomijiTMO

Well if I looked at it any longer my eyes would have started water ;). It is nothing like say looking at the sun but I would rather not stick my face next to it to see what would happen.

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... thats like looking at any light :up:

glad you like the rad grill

@Breathless: your welcome

heres the update

spacers!

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Originally Posted by evil-98

i got an update, not much but an updates an update.

ill post some pics tomorrow, this machine (unfinished Day and Night)
has nothing on it until i get the CPU rmaed (stuck sensors bother me)

but i got the screws and spacers for the fan, and things are
looking good.

after much talk with Martinm120 and reading over his testing he had
previously concluded that the D5-V will not benefit from going over
13vdc... so as bummed as that is atleast i have 2 DDC + XSPC tops
which he also concluded to be the current king of pressure. i could
go with dual pumps (D5-V) but that would mean id have to rip one D5
out of my other machine (Day and Night) which maybe an option since
im going to RMA the CPU soon. im just not sure if i will benefit from
all the pressure/flow. i do have the radiator space for the heat dump
but the question is "is it really worth the trouble" i mean if there was a
"COOLER" option (some kinda dual top for D5s that was blingy) then of
course but just two D5s next to each other with tube going around
them doesnt do it for me. i mean i wanted to go dual DDCs untill i put
the two next to each other and said eww..

so as of now its DDCs in this rig, i will try the D5-V at 24 anyways just
for fun (huge peeing contest, dont got enough tube to do a head pressure
test)

another thing, hopefully i get some good news. anyways the radgrill and
front panel maybe made very soon (which is exciting for me atleast) and
hopefully can get my interior powder coated or get some time in the booth.

im just so low on money right now, its getting tough with the price of
everything rising, i might have to settle (which i hate oh so much) but
well see.

anyways

@Breathless: after doing much research and understanding your post
ive concluded that though UV cathos do emit UV rays (which in this
case are UVA rays) it maybe no different then being out side without
sunglasses or sunblock for a few minutes.

now this is interesting, i just read that polycarbonate blocks most UV rays
now only if the protective tube on the cathos were made of polycarb then
we wouldnt have any issues at all. too bad its acrylic..

another thing im reading is general fluorescent (CCFL - FL stands for fluorescent
light) UV lights are simple made with Wood's glass which basically blocks all visible
light and only emits very low level long waved uv which doesnt damage much

i think its safe to say that there isnt going to be much of an effect from prolonged
exposure. but i do have on solution for you if you do feel uncomfortable with it.

Switch your windows acrylic to polycarbonate :up:

sources

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum...fm/739761.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultravi..._sources_of_UV
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_cathode

hope that helps :up:

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Lexan = polycarbonate correct? So in my search for this for my case window, just look for lexan windows?

lexan = polycarbonate. yes

That pump is going to be nice and cool now. :up:

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Originally Posted by MomijiTMO

That pump is going to be nice and cool now. :up:

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Does that pump have a tendency to overheat?

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Originally Posted by Breathless

Does that pump have a tendency to overheat?

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not that it has the tendency to overheat, but its been said
that it gets quiet hot, ive never had one run for longer then
a few minutes but just from that i can already tell that its a
hot bugger, and i think i looks pretty nice with a fan attached
to the end of it :up:

if you dont mind me asking what size screws did you use to attatch the fan with the spacers???

thanks
CCC

m4 x 60mm and i forget what size spacer it is, but i need to get another set so ill take note of it next time

that ddc looks very happy with that fan combo :D

Dude this is looking friggin SICK!!!!!!! :shocked::shocked:

Keep up the good work mate!! :up:

And BTW, I think I like the delrin top on the EK better now. :D

ok update time!

ive decided to go with dual DDCs for the CPU loop and
a D5-V for the GPU loop. so i think i know where im
putting the pumps, only one will be visible, the secound
ddc will be next to the rad, i wish i could display them
both in a nice manner but there isnt enough room and
the way i would have to tube the two tops are not to
my liking, so this is the only way, which is fine to me.
hopefully the ek top for the D5 will make its way to the
US soon, so i can get one of those for this build would
be awesome if it came in an acrylic too, so it would
match. but thats asking for alot. sorry for the grainy pics
shooting at high iso, i didnt use a tri pod. most all things
are up in the air, and i need to make sure that the pump
will actually clear the side panel, and a few other things.
but this project is definitely moving

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what do the back side of the Res mounts look like?

back side? like hows its mounted?

yeah, how does it mount...one screw with a nut, 2 screws...sorry for being vaque on my question.

theres only a single mount point, and its just a bolt with a few washers and a nut.

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Originally Posted by evil-98

theres only a single mount point, and its just a bolt with a few washers and a nut.

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same as the clear ones then...thanks mang! :up:

dunno if this is in the thread already, but what size LEDs did you use (and what would you use 3mm vs. 5mm for?)

in this build all leds will be 5mm, reason for that is generally because all i had were 5mm
to be honest i would of used 3mm, for the face that there smaller and would be more
discreet, but there is generally no difference between a 5mm led and a 3mm

leds come in a whole array of sizes, shapes, styles, it all depends on the application you
want to use it for.

im working on a LED guide, its been in the making for about a week, and hopefully
ill have something by next week

edit:

anyone see the new mdpc comp? makes me sad.. :(
i didnt think i was the first to think of the idea but
it looks like he'll be the first to be known to do it :(

On the topic of LEDs, I'm looking to acquire some for a build I'm working on. Specifically I'm looking for bright blue ones that are square (well, rectangular but they usually refer to them as square), and suitable for running off a 12v rail. I've seen it commented elsewhere that ebay is the best bet, but honestly I rather get them from someplace a little more professional. Any advice on the best place to pickup some LEDs? I swung by radioshack the other day, even though they rip you off for everything, but they had almost nothing in terms of LED selection (or just about any electronics actually). Seems that more and more radioshack specializes in cheap electronic toys and cellphones with the odd adapter thrown in.

If you do put that LED guide together, in addition to mentioning locations to pick up LEDs, a section on the proper way to wire them up and perhaps a link to a resistor color code chart would probably be a good idea.

all things you suggested are already in the guide,
the guide is generally swayed for pc applications.

reason ebay is a good play to start is because there
are many overseas sellers that sell in bulk which
has a great volume saving. so theres a higher value
buy in quantity. now you dont have to always buy
from ebay to get a good deal, i had purchased my
LEDS previously from jab-tech.com and PPCS, but
when i do buy in bulk its easy to find a manufacture
that will allow mixed buys with of course a minimum
(either $ or quantity)

just do a google search for some suppliers

ill find some more reputable suppliers soon

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Originally Posted by evil-98

anyone see the new mdpc comp?

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link?

looking forward to the LED guide, would rather do LEDs vs CCFL's for case light! :up:

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Originally Posted by skinnee

link?

looking forward to the LED guide, would rather do LEDs vs CCFL's for case light! :up:

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http://www.million-dollar-pc.com/gal...-li-s80-06.jpg

Woah nice! Yours is looking good too evil :)

WHOA that looks AWESOME evil!:eek:

Your rig looks great. The latest MDPC rig just beat you to it.

You should have put a patent on it mate :p:

holy moley! your rig still kicks ass though

that does looks good although i dont like the dye colours

evil update me :)

update US...

yes, the lack of updates... sorry but there really hasnt been any.
ive been busy with work, and putting time in my SFF build. most
importantly i need a fabricator, i need to get panels cut, hopefully
for a decent price. im scraping right now, hopefully i can find some
help. all im waiting for is to fab up the panels, then its just final
assembly and paint.

stay tuned guys ill have something for you guys soon

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Originally Posted by evil-98

Switch your windows acrylic to polycarbonate :up:

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Just reading your build, very nice work! I do acrylic fabrication and normal cell cast and extruded acrylic block all UVA, UVB and most UVC. That is how it is UV stabilized so it doesn't yellow and crack if left in the sun. So there is no need to swap out your acrylic for polycarbonate. Just an FYI in case anyone was wondering.

Is that a custom mount for the DDC, I've not seen that before?

nm, found it - (UN)Designs Pump bracket, I think I shall be getting me one of those for project chrome, though with Dan moving I am not looking forward to seeing the state of my side panel at the end of the month lol.

Awesome project btw, a real inspiration :)

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Originally Posted by fade2black

Just reading your build, very nice work! I do acrylic fabrication and normal cell cast and extruded acrylic block all UVA, UVB and most UVC. That is how it is UV stabilized so it doesn't yellow and crack if left in the sun. So there is no need to swap out your acrylic for polycarbonate. Just an FYI in case anyone was wondering.

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Huh?

Can I buy this "acrylic fabrication and normal cell cast and extruded acrylic" somewhere? :shrug::confused:

Have just read through your buildlog , its amazing what a man can do with some skill and patience. 10 thumbs up!!

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Originally Posted by MomijiTMO

Well I find that if I stare at my UV CCFL [yeah I had to try]

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UV lighting will cause cataracts in your eye's lens , the more you get the sooner u get it . Soo if your a sun lover or work outside all day the faster it will happen , it's a exposure that is culmative ,anytime you're in the sun with out eye protection (UV lens for glasses &/or UV sunglasses) you are causing damage very slightly each time for most but it still happens to everyone & if you continue the exposeure you will later in life = YOU will have cataracts

SOO keep that in mind when you bling up a build with UV BUT with the direct UV light aimed at the parts (unless u got all chrome & mirrors ) & not yer face the exposure is very low , having your whole desk light up glowing is not what you want


@ MomijiTMO >> if you seen a overall glow(like it got kinda cloudy) in your field of vision when you were looking at the UV light then you have some % of damage already = people in Australia like you are have a high % of this happing at an early age due to your countries intense sun exposure & using sunglasses at all times outside ,the bigger the better , would be prudent
SORRY = Evil
not tryin' to HiJack yer thread here
the build is looking awesome I'm stealing some ideas (i'm modding a cube out of SS)

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Originally Posted by evil-98

not that it has the tendency to overheat, but its been said
that it gets quiet hot, ive never had one run for longer then
a few minutes but just from that i can already tell that its a
hot bugger, and i think i looks pretty nice with a fan attached
to the end of it :up:

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I have one(DDC) on my test bed & it's exposed on all sides ( not up against any thing) & it's below body temp at the touch when running for hours BUT in a case & sitting on the rubber foam pad that comes with it the buggers can get hot as long as u have air moving around all sides it's not a problem & that's why the bracket sold by Petra's works soo well in a case
Evil keep up the GREAT work the build is Clean looking , I'm liking it alot !

Hey evil nice rig you've got,your using 1/2" ID barbs on the MCP355 pump?