512-bit bus? Like doubled SPs? Will be pain in the butt to manufacture, I think. Die size like 600mm²? :P
...the rumours of the 250 watts TDP weren't false....
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512-bit bus? Like doubled SPs? Will be pain in the butt to manufacture, I think. Die size like 600mm²? :P
...the rumours of the 250 watts TDP weren't false....
Here's to hoping that the new core is out of this world.
Have you seen this?
http://translate.google.com/translat...hl=en&ie=UTF-8
This guy said that he has been to Singapore and saw a few boxes with new NVIDIAs GPUs with these specs
-GeForce XXXX
-2x GT200 55nm
-1536MB GDDR3
-384bit
So at now we have 3 or 4 different GT200 possible specs - which is true? :)
sounds like two 8800 GTX on one card...:D just on 55nmQuote:
Originally Posted by Barys
Just went to the original German version of the forum, many posters don't believe the guy...I guess we're gonna have another hundred other news like that until the cards are actually out...
B*llocks ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Barys
So you are saying these specs he has said is BS?Quote:
Originally Posted by BenchZowner
Hmm if we take all GT200 specs which appeared in last few weeks then we can say that specs from your source and PHKs are almost similar so i believe that these specs are exactly true;)
There's no dual GT200 card now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barys
And for the 29323023 time, there is no 55nm GT200.
Patients my friends, PATIENTS!!!
lol
AAHHHH HELP ME DOCTOR!! THE PATIENTS ARE ATTACKING!! :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by GAR
Eye huv two wurk naow, stop duing dat! :D
How could nvidia even fathom of implementing a dual gt200 design anyways? That's like putting 2 r600s on a single pcb, to make it blunt, it wouldn't work out for either end (consumer and nvidia)Quote:
Originally Posted by BenchZowner
LOL... I always wonder how people mix up words like those ;).Quote:
Originally Posted by Yukon Trooper
what's coming after gt200? :lol: ? & is there a firm date for that one? :ROTF:
:|
With the new transparency in their product ranges, maybe a totally new line of GeForce's signified by sth more than just numbers.. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by adamsleath
Dunno, I'd be thrilled of a number upgrade. And I think that's what we'll get.
Seriously, what do people expect a new generation GPU would be like? The power of a GPU is measured in pure numbers, power efficiency is pretty much the only thing they could improve with a new gen chip but still it would have to have more SPs, TMUs, ROPs, bandwidth and higher frequency to beat it's predecessor. G80/G92 has a quite good architecture, there's no obvious bottlenecks so it performs great. There's nothing out there that can beat it thus it would be bad business to dump it and spew tons of R&D money to force out a totally new chip.
People don't realize that AMD/ATI/Nvidia/Intel are here just to make money, not to please the customers. If they get more money by releasing a bad product, then they will do so, no matter what the customers think about it because the companies couldn't care less what you think about them as long as the sales go high. ;)
Define bad product plz... most CPU, GFX cards and mobo updates are evolutions not revolutions !!
Well, "bad" being something worse than people have expected from the company. e.g. What nvidia has been doing since G80, just a dieshrink + bumped clocks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
I dunno bro, I personally think the rv670 and g92 were an amazing upgrade for the performance section. Problem is, they just aren't enough to really constitute as a new highend (and that's where nvidia is running into problems with geforce 9, they should have had a 8900gtx refresh instead of a 9800gtx)Quote:
Originally Posted by Calmatory
Dieshrink + bumped clocks in 18 months isn't realyl what Nvidia could've done, if there was serious competition. Or is ATI leading in the imprivements? IMO R600 -> RV670 was far better improvement what G80 -> G92 was.Quote:
Originally Posted by AliG
perhaps, but still, they were revolutionary performance cards, never before has a performance card outperformed a high end. As I said, they just aren't good enough for a high end like the nvidia is trying to make the 9800gtx seem like it is
Thats what I meant really. People (here) want the XTREME performance, not cheap mid-end cards. :P Difference between G80 and G92 is rather slim, compared to what Nvidia could've done. But yeah, this way they gain more money as they put less money on "useless(at this point)" R&D.
If you compare the performance eg 9800GTX gives for 240 euro's I think it's still a pretty good card... top card is X2 revolutionary and powerfull enough ? And even that card I can buy now at a lesser price then what I 've payed for my 7800GTX; 7900GTX 512, 7950X2, 8800GTX... Naming wise 9800GTX is wrong , price taken into consideration pretty good bang for the buck...
We get more and more performance for the buck, yet peeps expect each time 30% increase it seems... and the only game they compare new cards with is crappy coded Crysis... (I wonder who will play that game next year when even midrange cards can display it fluidly on our TFT's....)
And really we are at extreem here, we all are quite aware before launchdate if it is a performance beast or just a marketing gimmick...
It's the same discussion as why Intel doesn't release a medium priced 3.6Ghz quad ? Because they don't need too (yet) , but technology is (t)here to counteract whenever the competition seems ready...
I could write the word Monkey-Chicken in brown color size 55 font, and it would not be any less pointless than the posts in this and the ATI thread, considering the lack of official specs.
Perkam
:rofl::ROTF::rofl::ROTF:
:ROTF: QFTQuote:
Originally Posted by perkam
Funniest (and truest) thing I have read all week.
You can argue any point you want, but g92 and the rv670 were revolutionary for the general market because until then it was unheard of to have even higher than high end performance at less than half the price. You said it yourself, ati and nvidia are here to make money, and the performance section is a far larger market than the high end ever will be.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calmatory
As for the 9800gtx, I disagree with the naming scheme, but it is by far the cheapest "high end" ever released, but it should have been called the 8900gts or something along those lines instead. That's poor naming on nvidia's front, all in all, its a great ocer, the only reason why I don't like it is that the 8800gts g92 offers everything the 9800gtx does to the casual ocers (in other words, the 4 phase psu etc won't make a difference unless you are shooting for a record)
This might be xtreme systems, but you still have to think of things from a logical point.
+1 :shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
Monkey-Chicken
:).
him, if we're going that far...Quote:
Originally Posted by Yukon Trooper
http://youtube.com/watch?v=tx4Brg4idjY
:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
:rofl: :ROTF:
wow talk about thread derailment
so does anyone have any conclusive info yet ;) :D
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
I just bought an 8800gts g92, but hey, if something better than the 9800gx2 comes out, I might go out and ruin my credit for it. :up::rofl:
http://resources.vr-zone.com/newspic...00GTX_side.jpg
GT200 could have 8 ROP partitions connected with 64-bit each making up the 512-bit memory interface and up to 10 clusters of 24 SPs = 240 stream processors
That chip will run hot, considering my loud HD2900XT has the same power connectors.Quote:
Originally Posted by nemsis
Is this a dual chip NVIO-card too?
Quote:
Originally Posted by nemsis
yep >> http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...77#post2978677
:up:
the 9900gtx will be a dual card like the 9800gx2?
:rofl::rofl: just because it has the same power connectors of the HD2900??Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuker_
That looks like a 8800GTX design with a couple changes.
Monkey-Chicken GTX:rofl:
let's try to get back on track, the last page has been just about monkey chicken etcQuote:
Originally Posted by dengyong
Not only because of it, but remember the rumours of +250W TDP. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by DMH
Pictures of heatsink GeForce 9900 GTX (GT200)
http://forum.amtech.vn/attachment.ph...1&d=1210689228
http://forum.amtech.vn/attachment.ph...2&d=1210689228
http://forum.amtech.vn/attachment.ph...3&d=1210689228
GT200 has 240 SP, 32 ROPs, RAM 512-bit. TDP 240W
Source : http://diy.pconline.com.cn/graphics/...5/1294786.html
Isn't that quite much the same as this?
Quote:
Originally Posted by mascaras
heatsink looking exactly like expected; 8800 gts cooler, bit longer
Quote:
personally i would prefer a cooler like the 9800GTX than this cooler 8800GTS style
regards
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...=7286&Itemid=1
I dunno guys, MSRP at only $499? This chip is going to be 600mm^2, and only $499? Didn't the 9800gx2 debut at $599? With the way nvidia has currently be going, I'm not sure that's a good sign that it will beat the 9800gx2 across the board
fuddzilla nows nothing, like always ... dont read that crap there
Doubt it.
Top end GT200 card price will be @ 600+ $
I've heard it's bigger then 600mm^2Quote:
Originally Posted by AliG
Yeah, right...Quote:
Originally Posted by Nedjo
520-600mm2 is the current rumor.
530-560mm2 would be likely, IMO.
Should be interesting, either Nvidia is very stupid starting war with Intel or they have something seriously impressive up there sleeve. Somehow I doubt the something really impressive is GT200 but we will have to wait and see...
GT200 is going to be powerful as hell, but also expensive to make, the PCB will be expensive, the memory chips are expensive, etc. It's product to show that NVIDIA is number one graphics circuit maker and that it can make something like this. Extreme high-end is rarely a product for anything but showing off.Quote:
Originally Posted by bluehaze
Which means that GT200 is not something NVIDIA can actually use to go up against Intel since it won't be economically feasible. Very few will actually buy it. It's not something to be afraid of, at least not for Intel.
Considering the early yield problems of G92, I can't imagine GT200 would get such great yields that NVIDIA can actually make loads of them.
Now if NVIDIA would come up with a circuit that was cheap to make, offered great value and performance, and was accessible to everyone, now that would scare Intel...
//Andreas
So, basically the chip is useless? :|
Not useless, for bragging it's excellent, but in terms of actually scaring Intel, yes. It's not cost efficient.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calmatory
It's a proof of the powerful hardware NVIDIA can design, but it's not feasible for NVIDIA to use it to kick Intel butt in practice, maybe in theory, but that won't get you far.
And NVIDIA should be very careful presenting slideware and biased comparisons after bashing both Intel and AMD in recent interviews. Acting like the bullied underdog might get you publicity for now, but without backing it up, people will lose interest and look for something with substance.
//Andreas
So basically thats what Nvidia has been doing since 6800s. They always launch the "Ultra"-card which takes over the 3DMark ranks, but wich isn't owned by many people. Ati calls this Act of desperation.Quote:
Originally Posted by NH|Delph1
Hopefully they can sample cheaper cards based on GT200 core, otherwise they are fighting RV770 with G92b, which doesn't sound very good. :|
fud or not fud, i'm hoping for a gtx release for late june. time to pension my 8800gtx!
AFAIK its 575mm².Quote:
Originally Posted by LordEC911
Same here I want more power, if this card is a monster in performance I'll take the heatouput with it...Quote:
Originally Posted by RealTelstar
let's hope :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
I'll probably have to end up going water at that point. My room in the summer gets *&!#$%^ hot after two or more hours of gaming. I'm on an E6420 @ 3.2Ghz and 8800GTS 640MB @ 650/1550/900. I won't touch a quad with a ten foot pole because of the heat output.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
dude that won't make a difference, in fact, your room will be hotter, as more heat will be displaced from the gpu and cpu. And unless you can vent the hot air the condensor and compressor produce, phase wouldn't help either. your temps will definitely be lower though
Source?Quote:
Originally Posted by w0mbat
My computer is close enough to my window that I would run the radiator on the window sill. I guess that's something I should have pointed out.Quote:
Originally Posted by AliG
GT200 + QX9650 OC (don`t know exactly CPU frequency) = over 13000 in 3D Mark Vantage in Performance Mode. Source? Once again PHK from PCinlife :)
TG Daily Exclusive – We previously published several details about AMD’s next-generation graphics card lineup and as we get closer to the launch we are getting more details about the launch date, feature set and prices. The good news: The new boards will come with “physics processing capability” and prices that will start below $200 for a 512 MB board. The bad news: The 4800 series will launch after Nvidia’s GT200.
Yes, we know, we previously said that the 4800 series would launch in May, but as it stands right now, we won’t be seeing the first new cards until mid-June. According To AMD’s current introduction schedule, the Radeon 4800 series will launch in week 25, which puts the day of the introduction somewhere between June 15 and June 22. What is significant about this time frame is that ATI will trail Nvidia and their new high-end chip GT200.
http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/37453/135/
Hmm, I hope my MCW60 will fit on this card without adapters.
And I sure hope it wont cost € 500 like the 8800GTX at launch.
GT200 3DMark Vantage score revealed
Under High preset with QX9650 OC : P13000+
Source : VR-Zone
They are usually right. That would mean that it would be twice as fast as a 8800 Ultra or so?
3DMark is always very poor in predicting game fps, but it's promising :)
I have seen a 2 fold increase in GPU upgrades from console junkie buds of mine. 1/2 get 96, the other 88. I believe G92 did that for them. Maybe GT500 will be that card. :D Surely they could simplify things and name the boards something like, "Shelby GT 500"Quote:
Originally Posted by NH|Delph1
What if we could have Driver 500 and card 500?
no screenshots for the supposed vantage score?
High Preset & P13000+ score don't match, because P is the indicator for the Performance Preset :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Tim
If the score ( 13000 ) is true, then the card is some percent faster than 9800GX2 or 9800GTS SLI ( as you prefer :D )
GT200 is Geforce GTX 280:rofl:
and Geforce GTX 260 :down:
No 9900GTX
No 9900GTS
Fudzilla says :confused:
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?op...=7306&Itemid=1
What's with the ":rofl:" and ":down:"?
How are numbers like 280 and 260 somehow funny/stupid?
Who cares what they call it as long as it performs.
This about name WE know many weeks ...
Yea well this is probably what they meant by the article of simplying the naming a little while ago like I expected, that starting with GT200 NVIDIA cards would get easier naming system.
I don't know why what you got against this, I think it's good, no more confusion even for non comp geeks. 2xx number where probably picked from GT200 I guess, they could have picked any number but in the end it wouldn't matter really if it was 200 or 300 or 400 or whatever, I don't tink having a higher number than the competitor will help that much anyways. So if this is true I think it's a wise decision from NVIDIA instead of naming it for example 9900GTX. Actually this naming system brings back memory of the nice GeForce 3 (Ti 200, Ti 500), and 4 days.
Post # 6Quote:
Around July :
GeForce 9900GTX 1GB GDDR3 599$
GeForce 9900GTS 896MB GDDR3 549$
GeForce 9800GTS 512MB GDDR3 249$
Around Early July :
GeForce 9800GT 512MB/1GB GDDR3 185$(Replace 8800GT)
GeForce 9500GT 256/512MB GDDR3 80$(Replace 8600GT GDDR3)
GeForce 9500GS 256/512MB GDDR2 80$(Replace 8600GT GDDR2)
GeForce 9300GS(OEM Chip)
Around Mid June
GeForce 9400GT(OEM Chip)
Sounds about right Bill.
Two GT200 models ( 1024MB & 896MB ), and the 55nm G92 based GTS.
Could be, besides ati did it as well back then when they released the 800 series after the 9800.Quote:
Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD
At some point I will stop caring though what nvidia names their product and start complaining about them not being avalaible yet... I have two 8800 Cards that are waiting to be replaced by something new.
I think this card has it in it to be a worthy sucessor to the 8800 GTX/Ultra.
For me that would have to be at least 15fps more in Crysis at very high settings.
because they said it will be 9900GTX which i find nice nameQuote:
Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD
and now and from no where they change the name to GTX 280
I'm not angry but iam tired of all the wrong news spread every where for
months :shrug:
Just don't take every rumor for granted. Personally I use a great pinch of logic when deciding what to believe, after 9xxx series is already used and this chip will be a whole new gen (from NVIDIA point of view), 9900 would be too close to the old cards (after all this GT200 chip is expected to be like 7800 compared to 6800 or 8800 compared to 7900 situation) and 10800GTX would perhaps seem a bit farfetched, naming change at this point makes perfect sense especially after all this fuss about complicated naming. It's a win-win situation, NVIDIA made a logical decision what the market was requesting and consumers also welcome it.Quote:
Originally Posted by nemsis
Guess there will be probably 3xx series left for the "optimized" GT200 chip then which I think I'll wait for as these cards are out of my budget and I prefer to buy "2nd wave" stuff at a more attractive price too unless there will be a very similiar card to the 260 version but lower clocks or something. :p:
Since I bought my EVGA 9800GX2 on March 18th and the GeForce GTX 280 is expected to launch between the 16th and 20th of June, my Step-Up should be fine right?
(that is, assuming that GTX 280 offers more performance over 9800GX2 - which we have yet to find out)
It should last until 18:th June.Quote:
Originally Posted by AuDioFreaK39
I hope the date is correct to and the stepup is a easy choise even if the gain is just 15% or less as the upgradeprice will be a small fee for shipping right as the rumored price is the same?
Yeah I would believe the price will be even less than the original price of the 9800GX2 ($599). But how are you going to Step-Up yours if you have an EK waterblock on it? Does EVGA's Step-Up policy prohibit against that or no?Quote:
Originally Posted by E.R
Anyone have the link to that image of a CGI pcb layout of the gt-200 that says, "The Magic Happ3nnzzz H3REEEE!!111" on the core?
LOL, I can't find it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by nemsis
They = Who ???
regards
gtx 280?
so i imagine this is only a minor upgrade from a geforce 3 ti 200?
:p:
but seriously, if that pricing is true, they are pretty confident that it will be significantly faster than a 4870x2
It should be fine if you put the original cooler back on.Quote:
Originally Posted by AuDioFreaK39
Not really, if anything, it could show that its performance for single card is at or a bit above the level of the 9800gx2 looking back at how their pricing has worked lately, so if anything, they would have priced it probably at least $650 unless if this pricing is meant to be both very well priced and very high performance. In which case, that means this card will be sold underpriced which nvidia will not do unless they have toQuote:
Originally Posted by grimREEFER
^ Well you have to remember at least in the past NVIDIA never had the new series appropriately priced against last gen and besides 9800GX2 is an oddball, 7950GX2 wasn't cheap either. At least during launch the last gen prices were ridicolously high and close to the new gen until some months later they started dropping a bit but still were not appropriately priced. I hope that would be the case this time around (don't like high prices but I want the long awaited perf boost :p) but with recent NVIDIA strategy I dunno what to believe. :D
NVIDIA could afford that this time around though and with a huge stock and nicely working cards they'd do well enough despite selling the new cards a bit cheaper in comparision to the G92 cards performance/price wise. It's been a long time since there's been a huge speedbump so I think there should be plenty of buyers out there if performance is there too.
you are right 100% :)Quote:
Originally Posted by RPGWiZaRD
Fudzill, Vr-zoneQuote:
Originally Posted by mascaras
what are the specs on the 9800GTS? or is it just going to be a renamed 8800GTS 512 just like the 8800GT/9800GT.
will this be king for 2 years?:rofl:i think ill sit under it and never notice.Quote:
GeForce 9900GTX 1GB GDDR3 599$
The 9800GTS is ( 99% sure ) G92b aka G92 on TSMC's 55nm man. process
On a positive note. If the GT200 only performs slightly faster than the 4870, it's likely Nvidia would have to drop the prices on it when the 4870 is released. Obviously this would only happen if the 4870 started to saturate our segment of the market, but there is no reason for it not to if it performs really close to the GT200. Here's to hoping!