hey macci does aod work on 4x4 systems? my rig is down atm so i cant test
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hey macci does aod work on 4x4 systems? my rig is down atm so i cant test
Could be. I'm just going off what tools/benches read/showed. They were afterall synthetic benches which showed it much faster, so it could be "untrue" of the original NB frequency. It only happened on a day or two, never happend agian. If I chose the settings again, no POST. I booted at a few similar settings.
RAM was in single channel those days. This is how the pattern went.
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/751/jsjsjrb9.th.png http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/3...jsjsry4.th.png http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/8920/jsjsdt3.th.png http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/7...necyfq0.th.png http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/574/lmqy3.th.png
Compare Cinebench10:
2640/1920HT/1920NB/480/4-4-4-4-24 1T tRFC 75ns dual channel: 2214 / 8448
http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/8...cb10dr7.th.png
2640/2160HT/3120NB/480/5-5-5-5-24 2T tRFC 105ns single channel: 2235 / 8456
http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/6291/cbwe8.th.png
Booted:
HT ref. 200
HT LInk 9x 1800MHz
HT Fre. 1800MHz
CPU FID 06
CPU DID 1
CPU VID 28
CPU Fre. 2200MHz
NB FID 09
NB DID 1
NB VID 36
NB Fre. 2600MHz
Then I just AOD'd upwards and it went up along with HT/CPU/RAM IIRC. But I did the same a few times at different MHz those days.
Can you follow instructions given in this post.
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...9&postcount=91
lukija: :confused:
I dd that back then. You want me to repeat it? I'm running stock 2.2GHz/1.8GHzHT/2GHzNB now, so would that matter?
Yes, you did. but it was at stock settings:
http://img220.imageshack.us/my.php?image=idud8.jpg
If you can repeat the same procedure but with NB at 3120MHz and CPU ad 2640 MHz. NB FID 09 and NB DID 1 should make NB run at 3120MHz (HTT=240MHz) but just to be sure, one must inspect values of registers. To be more specific, for this settings:
http://img507.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lmqy3.png
10x in advance.
Well as I've been mentioning, I can't even bootup at more than 2GHz NB or over 9x NB multi since 4-5 days. It'll fail. No chance. :)
Volts/cooling makes no difference in my case. I've had the chip at 2750MHz 1.392V and switched it off and taken out the core in my hand 8 seconds after and it was cooler than my palm, far cooler than my RAM/HD/NB. I've booted 270HT ref. max with Phenom 9500, that's where the limit lies for it (low multi) and around 262HT ref. bootup at 11x multi. The board showed no vdroop/vdrop before but now shows quite a lot. 1.562V BIOS is 1.489V Windows idle. And AOD resets the voltages after you apply them to bootup values.
@Tony........Any word on new Bios for DFI 790FX-M2R???? Current Alpha Bios has issues 12/06/07 Alpha lots of them:(
@KTE
OK. If you somehow manage to reproduce settings in post #202, please, if you can, make WPCREDIT and CrystalCPUID shots.
lukija: I'll try right now.
But first of all I need some help here please. :)
I started the system up at stock (auto values) and it's downlocked itself. :confused: Any assistance you can offer?
nothing yet...if i get anything i will post upQuote:
Originally Posted by Brother Esau
Tony, by any chance do you have two ATI Cards you can run in cross fire?
The reason I ask is if you can valid a existing issue in bios at AUTO in PCI-E in Advanced Chipset Menu where it is perhaps not supplying enough power to the given cards or if there is some sort of IRQ Conflict with the PCI-E GFX CARD AND GB Lan controller?
I do not sorry
I am getting another board this week because of some issues going on with the current one and I will see if this is duplicated with new board when I get it set up and running:)
Very weird:Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
CpuFid = 000110b = 6
CpuDid = 000b = 0
CPU Speed = 100 MHz * (6+16) / 1 = 2200 MHz
NbFid = 00110b = 6
NbDid = 0b = 0
NB Speed = 200MHz * (6+4) / 1 = 2000MHz
Obviously, target speeds are correct but current are mess.
OK. This MSR C001 0064 holds settings for P-state 0, C001 0065 for P-state 1 .... and C001 0068 for P-state 4. You might dump values for these 4 registers also. And two MSRs (machine specific registers) are interesting: C001 0070 aka COFVID Control Register and C001 0071 aka COFVID Status Register. I think there is our answer.
Yep, it booted up with the correct register values. So even CPU-Z picks up the speeds as they were set in registers. But something has downlocked eveything, including the RAM. Me thinks it's NB related again.
It booted fine this time so I'll wait to check values when it freaks out again. :D
Thanks for the help.
Here's something for ya lukija. I changed NB multi to 10x manually this time and it downclocked everything again.
http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/1...blemjp1.th.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1830/64hi3.jpg http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/6403/65st7.jpg http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/9558/66qp8.jpg http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/4949/70cn8.jpg http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/9688/71nx3.jpg
C001 0067 and 68 are the same as 66.
According to your SS, CpuFid is always 6. It means 2200MHz speed. But somehow AOD reports lower clocks. To be sure, you can use CrystalCPUID and its speed measurement function. It has various ways to measure speed, try all of them and see if they are all the same. Pref F5, F6 .... F9 and see what happens. My point is to determine who is wrong since AOD displays lower clocks and CPU-Z displays higher clocks.
CrystalCPUID measures exactly like AOD lukija, that's why I never posted it although I was about to. I even checked it's real-time clock => exactly the same as AOD. :confused:
CPU-Z read BIOS values.
AOD, EVEREST, CrystalCPUID, Windows counters read the same values.
Synthetic benchmarks which rely on the frequency they obtain to give you a perf. score, all score very high (scaling as expected). But when you run a real-life application (like POV-Ray/WinRAR), it shows the CPU is slower than 2200MHz by quite a margin.
That is strange. Looks like CPU-Z uses different methods for calculating CPU clock, depending on platform. Small OT. When I was writing A64Info i had problems obtaining HTT speed. Best way is to read values from clock generator but it was difficult for me (no documentation, etc etc). Instead of that I measured CPU clock , decoded CPU multiplier (from MSR) and calculated HTT. In most of the cases this works OK. QPC method from calculating CPU speed works very well but sometimes, depending on HW, you can have problems when clock changes dynamically. Best way is to combine methods. In other words, measuring CPU speed should be considered case closed. So what causes your downclock? Two things - lowered multiplier, or lowered HTT. You may try for example to change HTT from 200MHz to 199MHz and return in to 200MHz and see what happens. Ideally would be to read values straight from clock generator, then we could pinpoint where is the source of problem.
If I change HTT values up/down they go in sync with whatever readings it gave before, i.e. 200MHz set BIOS but reading 180MHz Windows AOD, lowered 2MHz still gives 178MHz rather than 198MHz. This is one of the first things I tried. ;)
If you notice, the system downclocks the memory too. This might be a ratio thing the way it looks. Something like downclocking HT ref. by 0.5x multi.
So 200MHz (11x CPU FID) would become 190MHz at 10x NB multi, and so on.
If I understood you correctly, HTT is underclocked? In your case it is 180MHz ? It would explain DDR2-720 speed ( mem divider is 5x).
It might be BUG in BIOS and/or not yet finished C'n'Q kicking in....
My system never did that......
Hunt the BUG guys and good luck! :D
Yep lukija. :)
BIOS guys lay blame on Phenom (because 5000+ BE and X2's don't show these problems on this MB).
CnQ is always disabled here... thanks. :D
Still waiting on a Bios in D.F.I Land:rolleyes:
I wonder what is the location of clock generator? You can always check its registers. I tried to look at SB600 papers but there are only clockgens fro USB,SATA etc etc...Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
Yeah, there's an RD790 PWM controller, internal HT 3 link controller and a chipset clock generator for sure. Just don't know their locations. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by lukija
There is supposed to be a system base timer which runs at 3.6MHz, correct?
i am maxed out at 230x11 or 235x10
HTT multi = 05
CPU FID - 6 (for 230HTT)
CPU DID - 0
NB FID - 4
NB DID - 0
i am already running vcore at 1.463 and vram at 2.1. is there anyway i can break 230 or 235HTT??
OK, boys, if you have a Gigabyte DS5, check out the thread labeled DS5.
I just got the F3b bios, it lets me set the NB multi down to 6x, so now I can hit 250+ HTT Pics are there to prove it
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...hp?t=169215#17
what was the max you could get before with what nb multi?
Before this BIOS update, I couldn't change the NB multi.Quote:
Originally Posted by saaya
The max seems to be 250 HTT tho.. I've tried voltage adjustments to CPU and chipset, thriottling multis down to 5x and even dropping my memory.
I cant get stability over 250x11 (I even tried 255x10).
dehx, your CPU score is very low for the MHz, very similar to 2.42GHz/single channel. ;)
Hey, wheres Big Toe at:D
KTE, I have my HT and NB link set very low.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
I changed em, so now they both run at 2 Ghz.
I updated the pic. I believe my latest 3d mark was over 14100. Cpu score was 3600.
Ahm, guys, forget the CPU-Z shots, CPU-Z doesn't really work with a Phenom, sometimes it's kinda wrong.
The only thing that really 100% works is the rivatuner but chrystalcpuid may be ok.
We found this out a while ago Stefan Payne. ;)
AOD/EVEREST/CrystalCPUID work best. AOD has never been wrong yet.
Some will probably loose it on this post, but wouldn't it make sense to use a real mainboard in these tests? Not Cheep crap ! After 20 years working on pc's one thing I know without a doubt, if it doesnt say Asus on the box its not a real mainboard. My guess would be the Asus board works fine and will probably be the best over clocker, since over the past 15 years 99 times out of a 100 it has been. Did IC up there a Phenom at 3ghz hung with the Yorksfield, hum !So the next AMD stepping might just slap the big dog? Many people Intel fanboys like to think AMD is stupid. It appears thats just not the case.There have been some problems, but I believe the answer to the Core and beyond is here.Yorksfield is just a die shrink.
Thanks
Very Happy AMD Fan Boy !
You're Kidding abot the ASUS deal right:rofl:
Viper666, honestly. Rethink the first 3 lines of you last post because you're very wrong if you believe in that.
Viper -
I've got one ASUS board I really like (A8N32-SLI) but even it had problems at first. By the end of s939 it was one of two OC boards I trusted.
The other would be DFI (not that Gigabyte is bad, either) ... ;)
Bah- Asus is Overpriced, and over hyped.
They have poor bios support, and their boards struggle to meet the top contenders in the Amd arena.
And it's been that way for a LONG time.
There, I came out and said it... you guys need to grow some ballz!!
I will NOT buy the MVdeluxe/wifi/yourmotheristhebest board anytime soon...
heheh
just ran 3dmark 06
225x11
HT = 1125mhz
NB = 1800mhz
3dmark06 cpu scores is 3657,
normal or too low?
Normally good :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Emperor
If you crank NB a bit and/or memory timings/clock you can get even better (~+30/+100).
Wow thats all you guys are getting with 3DMARK 06:confused: Sounds like another instance of where the software is not accommodating the new architecture of Phenom:( Because that just cant be possible for a Quad Core CPU man!
About right I would say. This is 55MHz more on CPU, 2.07GHz NB and HT: 3723Quote:
Originally Posted by Emperor
http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/666/2k6tr0.th.png
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lightman
I will try raising the NB and HTT clocks with the multis again later. if i raise it too high it will end up downclocking my HT link and crystalcpuid will give me weird readings again..Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
i realised i cannot have HT link and NB both running at the same speeds because it will either lockup or refuse to post.
oh well...
I think you might be able to. ;)
There are some settings where it works and some where it won't work.
Can you bootup at 225 or 230 HT ref.?
If you can, do so, leave NB multi default and set the HT multi to 9x 1800MHz. Raise CPU volts. See what you get with AOD. ;)
i am using 225x11 now. 230 is ok too...but installing apps and moving files locks up the system. have no idea why.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
what's the default NB multi? shouldnt HT be below or equal to NB?
i am already at 1.575 or so volts.
i cant use AOD, instant lockups. it puzzles me out.
Instability/more cooling/chip limit. Any one of these. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Emperor
9xQuote:
what's the default NB multi?
Yep.Quote:
shouldnt HT be below or equal to NB?
That's near the max you can go. Looks like you'll need higher volts/better cooling/lower speeds for higher NB clocks.Quote:
i am already at 1.575 or so volts.
Which version are you using and platform?Quote:
i cant use AOD, instant lockups. it puzzles me out.
I wonder about.......
AOD shows HT speed as default running at 1000Mhz. I thought this speed (like ddr memory) was double pumped to an effective speed of 2000Mhz? It also displays your memory's actual speed 400Mhz as opposed to it's effective 800Mhz for example.
So when AOD shows NB speed as default running at 1800Mhz, is this speed also meant to be "doubled" or is this the effective speed of the bus and it's actually running at 900Mhz? Or does it simply not work like that with the NB?
If it does, or doesn't.....I wonder why the default speeds of these buses on AM2+ mobo's are 1000mhz for HT (2000Mhz) and (1800Mhz for NB) when the HT speed is never supposed to run faster than the NB??? :confused:
Perhaps someone can shed some light?
In AOD report; HT is actual speed (duplex is effective), RAM is actual speed and NB speed is also actual speed just like CPU speed is actual speed. All are worked from a base clock and a multiplier/divider. Effective speed of DDR2 still doesn't make it the actual speed the memory bus runs at, its used simply to display the apparent potential of the speed (double the real value).
Default speed of HT link for Phenom is 1800MHz AFAI experienced.
ok, thankyou for clearing that up KTE.Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
Quote:
Originally Posted by KTE
i am using aircooling right now. a scythe infinity but it's quite cool even at the base of the hsf.
I downloaded the 2nd latest version, cant remember as i didnt install in my current setup. I've been using K9A2.
or do u mean the OS ? XP sp2. 32bit