IF ATI had a "performer" VGA (like when the 9700 came out), I could tell you if NVIDIA whould sell a SLI license to INTEL or not.....NEXT DAY..... :D :p:
Is it prefairable to run a QUAD CPU at 5400MHz+ with a SLI and an INTEL chipset with HIGH FSB/Memory bandwidth EASY - OR run it at 5200MHz MAX with SLI, NVIDIA chipset and LOW FSB/Memory bandwidth/Latency/LOTS of problems till ONE bench of HANDRENDS come out?..... :rolleyes:
Anybody tried to OC Yorkies on 780i yet? :)
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Originally Posted by NH|Delph1
780i with an qx9650 @ 5250mhz is
what would be considered barely working ? .................:p:
depends on the motherboard they tried dudeQuote:
Originally Posted by Dynasty
if it was Asus then i can understand his comment completely
i'll be getting the reference board in a couple of weeks...looking forward to testing it out
i hope they are not :banana::banana::banana::banana:s like 680i boards to overclock but from what i'm seeing here with vince's setup it seems to be doing well considering how far he pushed it on dice
looks good on RAM side there too with 430 3-3-3-x 1T :up:
From what I've learned from someone inside, the 780i reference mobos are being tweaked to provide support for the quad penryns. Its definitely NOT a chipset issue...the NB of the 780i is essentially the same as the 680i. The tweak being made to the 780i boards is in layout to properly control the multiplier and improve bus stability. That's it. The new reference boards should be seen in just a few weeks. 780i will support the 45nm quads.
The question is whether the stability for solid overclocks will be there. Support is one thing, overclocking is another. My guess is this "quick fix" to the 780i reference design is only going to provide support at modest clocks at the bus. Use of the multi will be necessary for big clocks. At least that's what i'm lead to beleive.
vince had a fairly decent FSB there :confused: unless retail CPUs will differ but from what i have seen so far most retail CPUs seem to be doing better than ES lol
sry meant for A2 reference nV design board....Quote:
depends on the motherboard they tried dude
I said nothing about asus boards....:)
especially week 39's.....;)Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
yeah trueQuote:
Originally Posted by Dynasty
well all except eva2000s
he bought a dud :( :( :( :( :(
i just read a review on a qx9650 pc powerplay Australia...
and they reviewed it on a asus striker extreme 680I Got it to 4ghz apparently
How did they do that if it's not supported are they full of Bs or what???
must be a typo :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by disruptfam
maybe they have an engineering sample
nah don't think so
Running the board at that speed would be possible. Stability is another issue though.
They did state they had es chip..
Can't link you guys to it :( it's in this months pc powerplay australia magazine...
Well if they had an ES then that's the answer.
you can always just scan one page heheQuote:
Originally Posted by disruptfam
ES chips getting overclocked on 680i asus
you guys would know about it here for sure if that was possible
They are known to work on the DFI 680i board so why not the Asus?Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
they are very spotty on DFI boardsQuote:
Originally Posted by Praz
some work some don't ;) but VERY finnicky from what i've heard
trust me George would post some results rather than this thread if that was the case
Problem now is: WILL i780 chipset fully support the QUAD RETAIL York OR are we going for a "brand new i790" one?....That's the question...... :)
metro and I had some minor discussions on this last night (my time ;)) and I did some further digging after that.
NVIDIA will not bother to fix Yorkfield support with 680i.
nForce 7 series will have Yorkfield support, even though nForce 7 and nForce 6 is basically the same chipset, it's not the chipset that's the problem. It's the layout.
NVIDIA is working hard on getting the Yorkies to play along with the nForce 7 and the goal is to have proper overclocking with retail Yorkies by the launch. There's just no alternative for NVIDIA. Without Yorkie support NVIDIA could just as well throw the chips in the cylinder archive.
//Andreas
the inquirer has a go at the issue too... link
link to evga forum which is the inq's source for those that dont want to give them hits.
basically what the evga guy posted is that 680I will get support for retail 45nm dualcores with a Bios update, since he specifically said dual cores it leaves it in the dark what will happen to support for 45nm Quads on 680I.
Even if true that some ES chips work and some don't there is no reason this same "spotty" success rate wouldn't apply to all boards at least enough to throw up some type of result for a review. Even the results that k|ngp|n posted would be enough for a review to give the impression of compatibility.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...0&postcount=96
Please, please, PLEASE tell me about one 945GC-based mobo that is compatible with yorkfields...Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
I'm not an OC'er (not that 945-based chipsets OC or anything... lol), and I'm basically a huge mATX w**** (sorry about the language), so I'd absolutely pay for one of those...
I've seen an ASRock model boasting Wolfdale support already, but what I really want is Quad-core for (very) cheap on a mATX board... Right now the only Intel mATX boards with Quad-core support are either single-channel (anything SiS, VIA or NVIDIA...), extremely old (775i65G, from ASRock, and its sister from Asus, which still run the 865G chipset...), or downright expensive (anything G3x-based). I still can't understand why 945x doesn't support quads...
If any of you knows anything about this one, please tell me, ok?
Ok, on topic, now. If I recall correctly, the 680i has been around since way before Penryn was released, right? Even before the 3x series chipsets, which were the first ones to explicitly say "Penryn-compatible". From that time till now, there have been changes to the VRM specs, so my guess is, if there is nothing really bad going on with the 6xx and 7xx series chipsets, we'll eventually see at least unnofficial support for Penryn (dual and quad-cores). Hell, since I've seen ASRock supporting the Q6600 on the 865G chipset, I believe anything is possible in terms of motherboard CPU support...
Cheers.
Miguel
P.S.: Sorry for the OT, I really needed help on this one.
POS nVidia. my board is half way out the door and I doubt I'll ever go back to an nVidia chipset.
All the Asus P5B models P965 boards (bar one) all supports the Yorkfield chip as listed on the Asus site: http://event.asus.com/mb/45nm/
Pile of crap nvidia board, this for me rules out any upgrades until Nehalem is released thanks to this pile of junk, not worth the time nor money getting a X38/48 board just to run Yorkfield chips when Nehalem is so close.
*sigh* this sucks.
I've been using various nvidia chipset boards for 2 years straight now...
Now have DFI X38 on order and not looking back... to faulty sli drivers or the crapola nvidia chipsets
Remember the 680i 300fsb max for quad-cores last year? They were gimped from day one, then approx. five months later evga released the A1 revision....
Yeah bro I remember that very well. :( I still have the EVGA 680i SLi back at home so knowing no Penryn quad support is pretty bad. EOL for it I guess. :shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by asp6000
Any one know the exact release date of 780i ?
And will it supoort Yorkfield?!
that suck :(
780i will be released in mid december, and fully supports yorkfield cpu's and all 45nm cpu's...................but 680i only will support 45nm dual core cpu's
according to this http://event.asus.com/mb/45nm/ the nforce 780i wont support the new 45nm quads... but duo's are capable....
according to evga the 780i fully supports quad core yorkfield. I'm hoping the dual cores can clock a lot higher to make up for only using two cores :)
Motherboards using the "780i" chipset will have Yorkfield support. Mid-December is still the set launch date as far as I know.
Motherboards using the 680i chipset and the NVIDIA standard layout will not support Yorkfield. It's a layout problem, not a chipset problem.
//Andreas
supports , Dont supports , supports Baaahhhh
I'm confused :confused: :confused:
Can i get an offical link that say's it gona Support or its not please:rolleyes:
i think initially 780i didn't support yorkies but since 780i hasn't been released, they can respin the chipset to support yorkies by delaying the 780i launch a tad... too late to respin 680i hence no supportQuote:
Originally Posted by C.Ron7aldo
The 780i boards were delayed (week of 12/17) to rework the boards to work with Yorkfield correctly. Since they had a delay, they tweaked the 680i chipset one last time (780i is nothing more than 680i+PCIe 2.0 Bridge Chip). The first 780i boards did not work with the C0 Yorkies, they did work just fine with the A1 Yorkies, so there is more to the that story. ;)
Statement by NIVDIA France Here in French, The gist of it (in English) HereQuote:
Originally Posted by C.Ron7aldo
Not a chipset issue ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by eva2000
:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo13
//Andreas
I think ppl are panicking over nothing
I am pretty sure support will be added in furture bios updates for 680i
that'd be nice
It's too bad nVidia doesn't share those same thoughts. Maybe instead of writing "am pretty sure" you should have wrote "hope".Quote:
Originally Posted by emu002
old thread i know
but one of my i4memory team mates is using his new RETAIL yorkfield with DFI 680i and latest beta bios
YES 680i + RETAIL QX9650 = working beautifully heheheh
he posted a whole bunch of results on HWBOT ;)
That doesn't surprise me. If it can be done leave it to DFI to figure it out. :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
Pffff....... and people thought DFI sucked for intel.
Don't suppose theres any chance of the new yorkfields working on a p5n32-e sli?
So is that the only 680i board that will?Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
XFX 780i board
http://www.xfxforce.com/web/product/...uctId=1743798#
Supported CPUs:
Intel Penryn, Core 2 Extreme, Core 2 Duo, Core 2 Quad, Pentium
I must be blind... (can't find it)... can you post a link?Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
Sure enough. Verification links and everything.
No.Quote:
Originally Posted by CyberDruid
ASUS Striker Extreme also works like a charm with Yorkfields, with latest alpha BIOSs, they will be released soon for public use.
Anyone know if Asus P5NT-WS (680i) will suport Yorkfield with new bios ?Quote:
Originally Posted by pmp
Well they got a working bios for the DLX version so WS will prolly have a new bios soon too
Just the bios I need http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=164727 :)Quote:
Originally Posted by pmp
:up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: :up: good newsQuote:
Originally Posted by pmp
Thanks for this info! :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by pmp
Can you specify when these will be available?
Will there be improvements when using a Conroe/ Kentsfield?
According to my source, it depends on nVidia really... not on ASUS.... as nVMM module which also do include CPU supporting (to say that simple way) module is written by nVidia ;-)))
Thanks for the answer!
Well, I think I can still wait some time, at first I have to repair my Windows-installation... :rolleyes:
PMP be available when exactly?
how about the evga 680i???
Bigger cache, lower volts required and less heat output then... but take note that the quad yorkies have a lower multi then our beloved Q6600... and till now the QX9650 doesn't like too much voltage...Quote:
Originally Posted by Don_Dan
Thanks Leeghoofd, but I already know the advantages of Penryn. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Leeghoofd
What I meant is, will there be any improvements if I use the new BIOS with such an "old" CPU. PMP, have you tested that?
im hoping evga 680i is supported
Considering the fact that they are trying to get people to upgrade to 780i via trade in i wouldn't hold your breath.Quote:
Originally Posted by disruptfam
Now that is funny. Perhaps the title should be, "It's time to FORGET working a Yorkfield on an Nvidia 680i reference board..."
nForce 780i SLI MCP
http://www.nvidia.com/object/nforce_780i_sli.htmlQuote:
Intel Socket LGA775
Full support for Intel Penryn (Yorkfield & Wolfdale), Core 2 Extreme, Core 2 Quad, Core 2 Duo, Pentium
So short conclusion. i680 actually supports Yorkfield. nVidia reference boards doesnt. Asus Striker does.
Thank goodness I didn't spend the €269 on a crappy board :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
Really good news won't need to buy an expensive new mobo to bench penryn and SLI :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
Any news about the public release of beta drivers which support penryn ?
it has been mentioned several times in Evga's own forums by EVGA staff that their board will only support dual-core 45nm :)Quote:
Originally Posted by disruptfam
680i reference boards work with Yorkfield too fellas
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=172112
very low FSB though, but seems promising, much better than we had before :) seems we still have to keep ram in sync with FSB, which is a bummer taking into account why 680i memory controller was highly acclaimed for ... I think it's better to move onto 780i...
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Originally Posted by dinos22
Nope, he is only benching with 2 cores. I got that far with my 9650 and evga 680i about 6 weeks ago as well. As soon as 4 cores are enabled, all h3ll breaks loose. Its not the 680i chipset, only how the mobo is designed.
Reference boards simply cannot support the yorkies due to hardware limitations. There "is" a work around, but it takes some good mobo modding skills and a steady soldering hand :)
At the top of that thread, there is a link to a CPU-Z validation with the 4 cores enabled.
Granted, it seems the board doesn't like high FSB with Yorkfield CPUs, but it seems to work with it, at least apparently...
As for the limitations alleged limitations, that usually depends not on the chipset but on the motherboard manufacturer, it has always been that way...
Today, you can even run a Quads on a 865G-based motherboard ([URL=http://www.asrock.com/mb/cpu.asp?Model=775i65G&s=n]link[URL]), so there is no reason why you shouldn't be able to run Yorkfields on any other motherboard. Yes, meybe not on the reference designs, but that should be expected... Most of those boards were released one year before the Yorkfield CPUs, and we all know how Intel likes changing specifications every CPU generation...
Now, that being said, can someone tell me why, to this day, never a 945G-based motherboard officially suported Quads?
Cheers.
Miguel
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