Tomorrow I'll do a Spi 1M time of 8.782 at 5400MHz and nobody will be shocked
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Tomorrow I'll do a Spi 1M time of 8.782 at 5400MHz and nobody will be shocked
no, they're exclusively for 3D benching but it was a similar performance disparity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omastar
Franck added since the version a 1.37 checking in order to see a Quartz were modified :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwi
my proposalQuote:
Originally Posted by cpulloverclock
this is new SPi 1M WR, from now on, okey ?
http://222.151.145.219/c-board/file/cheat-8G_small.jpg
p.s. kyosen just has to change the inscription to "This is a sample of extremely well tweaked OS"
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Originally Posted by Vapor
Very much in agreement, most people tend to disclose hardware mods performed.
Just try not to cheat too much. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by cpulloverclock
during a defragmentation (defragging)? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by zbogorgon
What'd ya do, run 1/2m and then chop it to look like 1m?
Maybe it's you ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwi
Congrats on 622Mhz :toast: , sad thing we can't know :(
As far as Superpi run goes, it is perfectly legit run, no photoshping was done, even chechsum matches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lithan
Why don't you read the whole thing :slapass: :slapass: :slapass:
I guess software that modifies the windows clock or something similar...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lithan
Checksum it zborg! :D
First let me say; I'm could frankly care less about the OCX/XS catfight:rolleyes: I like coming to this site to see what the top oc'ers are doing and to learn. I do very little posting since I'm not in the league of most of the people here. I have a great admiration of the top oc'ers, regardless of where they post their results. now...
I don't see anything wrong with this thread, there is certainly enough evidence to warrant an "investigation". A lot of people seem to think this is all about personal accomplishments, to most it is... to others, it's business...
In any other sport where top scores/runs are seperated by very little margins... anyone beating the top score by such a wide margin would instantly be called into question and put under the highest scrutiny. It should be no different here. As has been pointed out, all they need to do is come forward and explain how the results were obtained. Hero worship is not good enough, and that's the only defense I've seen put forward so far.
I can't imagine (for example) a top fuel dragster beating the WR by a wide margin and when the sactioning body investigates, crawling off and saying "well I just won't run for you anymore"....
At this level, hero worship just don't cut it... these guys should be fighting for a chance to prove themselves.
http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/3651/chechsumrx1.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by LordofDoom
Well said.Quote:
Originally Posted by boshuter
OMG my E6600 is great !!!!!!!!!!! :D
That takes me 5 minutes
http://www.overclocking-masters.com/...reens/fake.JPG
i just think TaPaKaH is a faker...Quote:
Originally Posted by kiwi
but benchies are better than screenies...:D
http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=145959
http://maxicrash.free.fr/Divers/WE%2.../FSB%20616.jpg
http://maxicrash.free.fr/Divers/WE%2...B%20612Mhz.jpg
...
Bah 6s is for sissy's! I gotcha beat!
http://home.comcast.net/~iasa9/1a.JPG
You should see what I can do if I tweak it!
Thats not a good fake man:fact: :D Thats just photoshop, pi1m has 19 iterations :slapass:Quote:
Originally Posted by misteroadster
lol oups, i need to work harder, i think that should takes me 2 min more :P
You will never beat me misteroadster! Unless I get bored and wander off. Damn you ADD!
Now i understand why the final loop of any of the 1M coolaler's benchies was so strange.
Really sad those legends are doing such things, no more word ... :(
If being a legend is that, i don't want to be one.
Lol, also if you noticed whoever put up those "french guy hitting 622mhz fsb," that was Takapah just faking as someone else.
Team France appears as if they are ready to Crucify OPB and Coolaler.
Until there is DEFINITIVE evidence, I would have to give them both the benefit of the doubt, and keep their heads from the gallows. I think it is just going to be like when the results were posted though, huge outcry from some members. Others proclaiming he should be banned, ... then no real result.
All of these benchmarks come to a crossroad where it is going to be impossible to prove.
Also to the majority of the people in this post. Just a rule for life, never burn your bridges until you are completely sure that someone is faulty. Having been on the side where in the end someone was actually not at fault, after a whole group of people called him out, its somewhat embarrassing. The people tend to not care for you forever. In a situation like this you need to make sure someone is wrong before you jump on the bandwagon.
Me not, that make approximately 2 years that OPB fake and nobody say nothing, considering it is made pass for an excellent optimizer which is absolutely not :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoxxy
Lowered the frequency to obtain a good optimization or to benefit from the bugs of superpi to make the best score must be to sanction and for a very long time :slapass:
There is an old expression that "better a 1000 guilty men go free than one innocent man be convicted."
I'd suggest that unless there is real proof that these 2 gentleman did somthing not kosher it is very unfair to cast aspersions on their names.
No, I don't know either one other than to say hello to coolater one time.
I would say this for anyone.
i thought that ends with FULL STOP :) hehQuote:
Originally Posted by Yoxxy
i just msn with OPB, his CPU bought it from Coolaler, that is why the clock speed are the same. it has original going to sell to hipro5.
just passing message
btw he still can't connect to XS
can he explain to you what is going on and you take a screenshot of IM(don't forget about verification of your screencapture :p:)Quote:
Originally Posted by guess2098
that would do or just email FUGGER direct and that's it :)
we just talk like few words, nothing he wants to sayQuote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
Sometimes...you say more than enough when you say nothing at allQuote:
Originally Posted by guess2098
Please also ask him to give a TRUE evidence on these scores, I wait since 1 year ....Quote:
Originally Posted by guess2098
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...t=85069&page=3
well im torn apart as engineer student i cant look apart from the statistics, as modest bencher that i am (the greatest thing i could manage was top 10 in the 6600gt class at the orb ) i know there are some tweaks and strange results you cant duplicate not bugged but strange as someone that always was amazed and always asked for help to OPB i dont want to believe he is cheating, he is a great guy as s7e9h3n that is MIA coolaler i dont know him....
i see the what vapor did great job recolecting everything and posting it we need an explanation or maybe he can show to another XIP how the hell he did that i still believe he did it he is a great ocer and no one can doubt about that but i cant give my back to what i study stadistics are for real my friends
what does he think of being accused of cheating....does it bother him or notQuote:
Originally Posted by guess2098
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Originally Posted by Vapor
It's no marketing slogan, I had contact and was shown the method used in trust.
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Originally Posted by dinos22
No he's not bothered by it at all, he's not surprised either..
He showed me how to tweak the system, and it took a long time and a lot of time for hime to figure it out, so he did not share it openly. I was not asked to be his witness here. But as he showed me his methods, I thought it was the least I could do for him..
regads
Raja
Well I've got 15 Ferrari's, and a SU-47 in my garage.Quote:
Originally Posted by raju
My friend MrNobody's been in my garage twice :P
You're just making it worse with all this "passive" defending out of nowhere.
Lame excuses as "he can't log in", "I've seen the tweak", "he told me" are quite inacceptable with the current situation.
There's only one solution to this "issue".
Come forward, describe the tweaks used in that run, and let some people re-do that run.
It's that simple.
Being a "record-man" is nothing, researching, performance/tweak testing, and knowledge sharing is definately something.
just to show something, we at xs have abnormally DC team and im used to the cheat word as MM said let them prove they are not cheating.... as we in wcg are not cheating even with only 200 members are making more points that 99% of the teams
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Originally Posted by BenchZowner
well you ain't getting the tweak thru political hoo-haa.
I don't belong to either benching team, so I have nothing to gain really.
How else can I put it when I don't have the permission to share the tweak?
So I just stand by while people call him a cheat, and I know he's not?
hmmmmmm well we ALL take a long time to learn about new hardware and to tweak it well but we all share this stuff here. Even OPB himself claims he's an open book unless something changedQuote:
Originally Posted by raju
this SHOULD bother him if he's got any respect for anyone at XS as there are a lot of long faces here waiting to hear a word. :nono:
are you passing on his messages or just assuming he would think that?
it's your word against othersQuote:
Originally Posted by raju
there are no numbers here to back up what you are saying.............if you have the knowledge you can REPLICATE that at lower clocks and we can analyse the data to confirm this without him revealing his tweak BUT really common now with so much uproar is it really worth the trouble
I have contacted him, but he's in the fire isn't he, it was his work and took him a long time to figure and he's been called out by everyone to reveal the work, or people assume he's a cheat.
He did not ask me to act witness or pass messages. I did it out of respect for the man.
I have asked him if he wants me to post something on his behalf, that's his call really, I don't mind either way. THEre's nothing more I can do, as the only way this witch hunt will be stopped is if he reveals all his work. He is always open about his ram settings, the other tweaks are his ip, and seeing as this benching thing is real big and competitve it makes it hard just to spill the facts to every other bencher in competition.
Unless OPB asks me it'll be the last repsonse from me in this thread.
Sorry state of affairs really and a real catch 22.
I'm not after the tweak, just looking for the truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by raju
Nothing to gain, and nothing to lose either.Quote:
Originally Posted by raju
You've already tried to convince us more than once.Quote:
Originally Posted by raju
Posts with no clues, just telling people that you know him, and he told you that & this, is pointless and will get you ( him actually ) going nowhere.
You know it, and he knows it.
It's 2006, it's a "cruel" world out there, full of lies & un-natural stuff happening, nonetheless everybody can get his friends ( being 1, 2, or 50 ) to speak out for him.
That's not working anymore, people can't trust others that easily anymore.
Had enough already, wake me up when something serious gets posted :rolleyes:
OPB wanted me to post this for him. Unmolested XP SP2. Not many know that this chipset can do this speed at these timings. OPB is still having technical problems with the board atm. He also challenges people to beat his Geforce 8800GTX single card scores.. Do not get angry with me, this is what he wanted me to do.
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Fixing images
http://www.jason.evolans.com/pictures/1m.jpg
and
http://www.jason.evolans.com/pictures/32m.jpg
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OPB is at the point where he doesnt want to share how he completed the super pi tweaks to gain the world record. He says if anyone wants to find out the super pi tweaks they need to track down S7e9h3n
12.734 is a average, maybe slightly above average score for 4 GHz flat. Performance product of 50930. I don't see anything wrong with either of those times.Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonDTM
this is very sad to see.
many things in this thread are sad to see.
its sad to see World Records needing to be questioned.
its sad to see blind "fanboy" reactions from fellow Benchers.
its sad to see "hater" reactions from fellow Benchers too.
as much as i admire the names of those in question, they are only names to me.
i know nothing of their honer or personalties, so it is impossible for me to "judge" them.
i can "judge" the graphs that have been made... assuming the input was correct,
i can not see how these #'s cant be questioned, anything "that far off the chart" merits looking into.
there are only two ways this situation can turn out .... tweak or cheat
in many ways i hope the "Ultimate Pi 1M Tweak" has been discovered.
if that is the case there will be a lot of apologizing to do,
but if no tweak exists, there should be action also.
So why is the mobo info whited out? Why 680i when he did 8.9s on 975? How does that even relate to proving his times legit?
Yeah, why is the mobo blanked out? I mean it's obviously 680i based on his mentioning LinkBoost, but still.Quote:
Originally Posted by afireinside
and HT voltage... clear give away its a 680i board or an nvidia board at the leastQuote:
Originally Posted by Omastar
My guess is he's NDA on the board for reasons outside of this thread.
These scores have always been suspicious... now we need explanations :S
my bet 680i dfi
i've seen coolaler/andre and others do 12m 5xs on Allendale CPUs with 4GHz and slower RAM............32M is not all that special considering the RAM speed and CPU speeds (and it's a B2 conroe). my 1M with untweaked system (965 chipset) and 4xxMHz 4-4-4 on RAM was 12.8xx in 1M.........you'd think that time would improve enormously with such RAM speed :confused: and supertweak
i think those screenshots are confusing even more as they don't indicate the same tweaks used as per the W.R. runs hmmmmmmmm
^^^ The above results were not using any windows tweak.
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Originally Posted by JasonDTM #253
If OPB still has the hardware he should try to duplicate (as closely as possible) the WR only this time shoot a short digital film of the run with CPU-Z open on the desktop to verify. I suppose we'll all have to present Super PI that way in the future ;)
Nice title Joe! :D
Lol, you're a bit slow on the uptake, he's had that for nearly four months now. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by G H Z
Can you tell us what we're supposed to take away from them?Quote:
Originally Posted by JasonDTM
Well tell him to post more often, that's the first time I've seen it! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Gautam
my apologies i didn't read it properly.........unmolested LOL hehehQuote:
Originally Posted by JasonDTM
can you please ask him to MOLEST it for us at same clocks for comparison :D
I'm working on it. I don't doubt OPB's results for an instant. I'm trying to get him to run the same MHZ as Kyosen's 12.047 run with his tweaks to see if he can match or better that time with the ES X6800 he used and a retail X6800. I know it may not be a sub 9sec but the same tweaking and similiar outcome can be had if you believe in such things as that.
On that regard, does anyone remember which multi, fsb and memory timings Kyosen used?
Jason, is OPB saying that his unusually high score is due entirely to OS tweaking? And is he saying that he starts with a standard windows XP sp2 install?
I think that opb or coolaler doesn't have to show us their tweaks.
However, it could be interesting to see a video run during a simple bench at 5GHz. If they are so good clocker and optimiser, they should probably do sub 10s.
5000MHz * Time = 49700 so time = 9.94s. Let's see them in action ;)
If thay could optimise to get 49700 at 5.5GHz, they could do it easier at 5GHz.
I'm waiting a video :)
Let's not forget that 10.344s@4.71 = 48720
One thing is clear to me. All the scores of TAPAKAH were a bull :banana::banana::banana::banana:. People claim they were cheats. He said he got a modified BIOS and a super tweaked OS.
He started posting his results in name of XS and NO ONE do NOTHING.
Not any moderator, not any "extreme owner" post saying he was a lier. Now we got a hughe post telling two of the best overclockers are cheaters. Why? in my opinion because they dont share their tweaks and they dont post for XS.
period
Hi, did you call me!?;)
JasonDTM> On that regard, does anyone remember which multi, fsb and memory timings Kyosen used?
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The screenshot of my 12.047s run:
http://222.151.145.219/c-board/file/...0-L623_air.png
I appreciate Vapor's analysis of SuperPI time trend...
...at least, it helps for us to distinguish whether the time is feasible or "accidental".
We Japanese often use the word "magure" in such an "accidental" situation.
"magure" is very convinient word, but it's difficult for me to explain the usage...
...if you have Japanese acquaintance, try to ask him/her about "magure":)
Back in early October bachus_anonym denounced TaPaKaH's results (click here). Today's admittance only confirmed what many of us were saying months ago about his results.....I know many of us just never bothered looking at any more of his results because we couldn't trust him.Quote:
Originally Posted by J0d3r
Let's remember this thread is not about TaPaKaH. It's about 5+ results (four of which are/were WRs) from Coolaler and OPB that are not in line with any other results.
Anybody else posting those results, and their WR "rights" would have been pulled already....OPB and Coolaler are at least given the chance to prove the scores because of the respect they have earned.
Kyosen-san, thank you for stopping by :)
EDIT: and many of the links and issues boblemagnifique and others have listed, IMO, do not aid them. There is a growing stack of things that need explaining. There's a cliche that can fit nearly any noun: "once a _______, always a _______" and should one of those things that need explaining go unexplained, or admitted to being cheated, both OPB and Coolaler may get the tag of "cheater."
Unfortunately, it does no one any good to be called a cheater, but it also cannot go ignored.
The more I think about it, and the more I look at the data I and others have posted, the more I warmup to the idea that OPB and Coolaler have cheated to achieve some of these scores. And that is unfortunate. And if true, it is unfortunate that two XS Legends have resorted to cheating as a way to achieve results.
Magure as in magure atari?;)Quote:
Originally Posted by kyosen
JOD3r,Quote:
Originally Posted by J0d3r
You do have a point however I'm sure you will agree that a WR or one close to a WR will face more scrutiny than someone running lower down the ranks. OPB has a very well established presence here on XS and personally I don't think that him leading OCX has anything to do with this. I would like to think that anyone looking @ these numbers being soo far off the norm might at least consider why. If you see a result from another forum that looks too good to be true I'm sure you might have some questions to ask. It would be great if OPB could try for it again, get a new record or close, then we can get back to business.
I agree... :clap:Quote:
Originally Posted by jmax_oc
I did 10.922s at 4650MHz with some optimisations. Maybe I can do 10.75s at 4710MHz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
It could be interesting to see a video run of OPB at 4710MHz. OPB could be happy if he get 10.5xx time :fact:
Well here's what two people (one of them is myself :) ) who know Tarakan personally (= TaPaKaH in Russian transcription) have to say on his "admittance":Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...2&postcount=33
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...2&postcount=36
Btw, apart from those E6400 Allendale/Conroe results, all other of his scores already back to P4 days have not shown any anomalies (correct me if I'm wrong). So I repeat here that I believe he posted that "I'm the ultimate cheater" thing with the only reason to call out a ban on himself. Why? Now that's another question and I have already asked him on his motivation calling himself a cheater on a local forum we both post in . At the moment, I'm still waiting for a reply from him.
As I've pointed out to him, he obviously doesn't realize the consequences of his said words because he has repeatedly offered me & kiwi and other local benchers to form a local Latvian benching team. However, with his latest move here he basically has doomed his own idea since we can't cooperate anymore with him because any results obtained and posted here at XtremeSystems might then be questioned because of his participation.
However...
... so let's stay on topic :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Vapor
c'mon raju, your every single post in this topic is blindly defending OPB and now you are entrusted with the tweak and we all should belive you.
facts, apparently OPB is not so honest afterall, I think we are safe to say that he tingled with his results before his WR, so all of a sudden why is it so imposible for him to do it again?
p.s. what 8800GTX scores ?
Off topic againQuote:
Originally Posted by mrlobber
You know TaPaKaH (at least contacted him before) on private so he is faking by coding or Photoshop
I found this on Magure ;)
But I think kyosen really means thisCode:"Elsewhere, D.D. discovers the purpose behind the strange energy
being released by the defeated Magure. Apparently, it's a form of
communication, feeding combat and environmental data to other Magure,
which means that the next enemy will have all the abilities of the
previous five, making it virtually unstoppable!"
fluke / chance
The fact is he did until very recently ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ThePredator
He seem's to be making good progress now :D
and which one is so special ? As I see it, none of his scores are actuall records?Quote:
Originally Posted by ThePredator
I think Sham got the single card WRQuote:
Originally Posted by zbogorgon
guys are useless that we get angry...:D the superPi are not a inviolabile program....:(
I what propose we find an other program or to modify this in better for security of the result on SuperPi
because enough to modify the quartz of the generator of clock of mainboard for false the time a total, the superpi he calculates the count from just a millions with the system clock of the mainboard….;)
enough to have a simplest Tweak for false the result.....:D
for this I propose To found the tread "Find an other SuperPi" :D :D
At 4G with 10*400, ram@600 = 12.395s for me
I get 12.000 at 4176MHz ; it's possible to break a sub 11s at 4556MHz (11*414 ram@621) and 9.999 at 5011MHz (12*417 ram@626) :)
I'm sure OPB can do better than you !
Let's see him in action
With regards to the PLL mods, i don't believe they have been used here.
STEvil is entirely correct, used in the propper way they are entirely legitimate and are quite skillfull. The unfortunate thing is that anyone who knows how to use them correctly would also know how to cheat with them.
Tom
Oh, wow, 77k in 3dmark03 with 8800GTX SLI. All the while kingpin approaches 90k. Why are we now debating OPB's 3d abilities?Quote:
Originally Posted by jmax_oc
No matter about 3D. I never write any word on this.
I just wanna see OPB action during a bench. I don't want to know his tweaks.
Just his 1M frequency and 28GP scoreQuote:
Originally Posted by Omastar
He uses a Digital Camera for its 32M, why he doesnt use that for its 1M
Shi(f)t.....I did that bad ehhh?.....Only 50833.....?.....:(Quote:
Originally Posted by Gautam
:cheer: Hipro, you are an example for me :cheer:Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
you now have ocx team members to liase with, in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by zbogorgon
Guys this wrong..this all has been handled very wrong.
I´ve been here since forever even though I haven´t been posting that much. Mostly reading and learning...posting some results every now and then. Up until now I have felt that XS membar and staff has always treated each other with great respect and friendship. But this has all fallen in the last couple of days...with all this accusations about fakeing and abnormal scores. This should have been handled much more descreete...things like this can make huge amount of damage to people even if it turns out OPB and coolaler aren´t fakeing. Doesn´t matter if it turns out they have legit scores...most of you guys will still have doubt about them. Vendors, suppliers and maufacturers will surly be doubtful sending them samples.
I´m not taking any sides..not defending anyone....and I can honost to god say that I understand the need for an explanation and proof.Because thoose numbers sure look a little "off"
However...you guys should have contacted OPB or coolaler quitley in the first place...and lay out all the facts and simply just asked them.
Give them a chance to explain, if they had refused or ignored you then mabey going public would have been right.
But i doubt that they would have been unwilling to coorporate, simply because they have to much to loose.
The facts you have gathered is enough to make an investigation...but nowhere near enought to go public and humiliate someone this way.
As I said before...I don´t defending anyone...if this really is fake scores or abnormal scores in any way then OPB and coolaler should be banned from the community...but this has all been handeld is wrong.
I just sincearly hope they will come forward and give an explanation. And most of all I hope there hasn´t been to much damage done..if they come true.
This happens because the Ram speed in MHz remains tha same (ex. 460MHz rams at 3600MHz cpu and AGAIN 460MHz rams at 5500MHz cpu)...It's impossible to be the same.....Quote:
Originally Posted by zbogorgon
When our CPU goes up, ram frequencies on the other hand can't go any higher so we ONLY gain from CPU's frequency/bandwidth/latency at higher frequencies....
IF we could upper ram's frequency with Cpu's frequency TOGETHER, the scores and the linearity whould be almost the same as of the lower frequencies.......By this I mean we whould have had a 25000 bandwidth and below 25ns Latency.....;)
ONE question though.......The guys - in general - with the good times in Super-Pi and High frequencies (above 5GHz), at what frequencies they had run 3D benchmarks?......DON'T tell me that they benched Super-Pi at 5400MHz and 3D at 5000MHz coz there is NO way.....A guy that Super-Pi's at 5400MHz, IS CAPABLE of 3D at 5300MHz AT LEAST not to say more.....;)
When you say 3D stable you mean 2001SE single tests or a full run of 2005 or 2006 or so?Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
Me and ojdr2001 with our old CPU that did Pi 1M at 5132Mhzs were having a hard time running 3D mark above 4950Mhzs, our new CPU does Pi 1M at 5400Mhzs but still no 3D tests.
Btw this thread is worthless without OPB and/or coolaler posting. I know you guys got good arguments but we need to give them a chance to explain their results and I don't doubt or believe them but as someone said before they could have found a tweak like RickY found the multiprocessor sometime ago, anyway if there's a tweak like that I need it :P Can't get lower than 9.44seconds at 5385Mhzs :S
PS - Don't mix OCX and XS fight in this thread please, nothing to do with this topic (and it's a kinda stupid fight....)
Obvious reasons for that. Try for yourself to pour ln2, pick up the camera, take several pictures, and keep track on everything else at the same time in those 9 seconds.Quote:
Originally Posted by cpulloverclock
Imo, there is way too much flaming in here, and many people are just showing what complete idiots they are. There is noone that gains anything that way.
There is nothing more that can be said in here before we get a response from OPB.
Tripod + Timer on camera or even a camcorder.Quote:
Originally Posted by elmor
well he is very aware of this topic, so where is he?Quote:
Originally Posted by elmor
I think we are all dying for his explanation
I (WE) here in XS (at least) sare OUR secrets since 2002 as I remember, whether we COMPETE each other on not....ALWAYS SARE.....;)Quote:
Originally Posted by NiCKE^
true true, hipro cannot keep secrets for himself even for a couple of days :DQuote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
... it's very difficult to find another person :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by elmor
man just slap a camera on a desk or bunch of books and that's itQuote:
Originally Posted by cpulloverclock
hipro is probably the most open Ocer i've seen...........on forums
can't believe i'm telling this about a greek LOL :p:
I was fighting over a months time back in the 2002/3 to prove I benched and worked my ram at 250MHz in Australian forums......I had a LOT of attacks there (Australians must remember it) but I was keeping and keeping giving evidence till someone done it too and then someone else and so on.....:)Quote:
Originally Posted by boshuter
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Originally Posted by guess2098
Shi(f)t........I was going to buy THIS CPU and I didn't knew anything?.....:(
Exactly.... this silence on their part looks very bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
Look what happend to "Lance Armstrong" after his "Tour DeFrance" wins... he was publicly denounced as cheating/drug use... but he didn't hide, he defended himself and was cleared.
we're a tough crowd to please us Aussies :D :D :D :D :fact: j/k who was giving you stick let's beat them up right now hahah...........too bad some of the old school guys there no longer roam around :(Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5