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What country are you in and are you going to pay 274 dollars for it? :D
http://www.compumsa.be/
available in 1 to 3 days
In Belgium and France, it is coming available soon in several online retails
Strange that no real test yet for this board...:confused:
TONY, can you please check out some BIOS that will include VDIMM @ 2.1V from boot = default after clear CMOS, now it will boot with 1.93V and that mean lot of trouble.
Any comparison of the same cpu clocking in some previous boards, like P5B for instance?Quote:
Originally Posted by ziberia
...and took with it the Commando mobo :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Dani
With new PSU and Commando didn't start, old P5W64WS Pro with new PSU everything is ok. :toast:
Sad but true, my new Commando is dead :(
:eek: no chance to see how this commando perform from u :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Dani
Looking at my old P5B Dlx results, the Commando appears to be slightly faster. The fact that my windoze is now better optimized for Conroe is probably the reason. My guess is 1:1, but it is too early to say. 8M and 32M will give a better indication.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrlobber
It is clearly much quicker clock per clock than my Biostar P965PT.
Lets see if I can come up with any decent results tonight.
Btw, this is a fantastic board for phase change as you have massive room for insulation around the CPU.
Yep, I assume ASUS engineers still has totally no idea what the "freak" is going on with the double boot, false boot or whatever-you-call-that problem they are encountering with the P965 MCH. No BIOS to fix the problem till date. See http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=128503.Quote:
Originally Posted by thebeast
This is as far as I got tonight. After that setting VMCH to 2.025 volts meant adios to my windoze installation and good night for me.
Comparable results in SP 8M showed a 0.3 sec advantage for the Commando vs. P5B Dlx. So, almost 1:1. :confused:
http://ziberia.1g.fi/kuvat/10.422.jpg/full
hows the commando memory performance compared to p5wdh?
tnx
Quote:
Originally Posted by ziberia
what about clock with same voltage, any difference?
Hi all,
Can you check the vdrop issue please.
WOAH, it's taken you nearly 3 and a half years to say that?Quote:
Originally Posted by MATRA
:p:
Quote:
Originally Posted by MATRA
He, you post even less than me!
Vdroop is 0.02 - 0.03 volts.
That's really not that bad, to be fair. I take it that is the difference between full load and idle?Quote:
Originally Posted by ziberia
Also, how much MCH voltage did you need to get over 538fsb?
I only post when I really need (once till now :D )
0.02-0.03 is a lot less then I espected. looking foward to this board.
@ ziberia. Are there any pci-e 1x issues with high nb voltage like P5B-Dlx?
Also does it double restarts everytime or only if u change strap like P5B-Dlx with latest bios?
Yes, thats what SpeedFan reports. Haven't had time to check with a mm.Quote:
Originally Posted by RichUK
VMCH @ 538 was 2.000 volts. 2.025 messed up windoze really badly and I couldn't reinstall successfully- something about system driver- until i flashed the BIOS. (Just now!:mad: )
I'm running pci video, so no clue at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeBar
Double restarts with strap change, not all the time.
WOAH :eek:. That's way too much voltage for 24/7 usage, surely???Quote:
Originally Posted by ziberia
I thought maybe around 1.7v would suffice for that sort of FSB speed.
Or do you reckon this has something to do with the processor you used, and the fact it’s a high multi 4MB chip?
I’m hoping my E6300 (low multi, 2MB chip) won’t need that much voltage!!!
@ziberia;how the hell did you reach almost 5GHZ??
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichUK
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but my guess is that it has to do with running the 1066 strap. You also need pretty good NB cooling.
Thanks! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ziberia
If u try a pci-e vga pls let us know...
I think you’re right, but it has something to do with the 1066 strap and the high multi used with the E6600 chip.Quote:
Originally Posted by ziberia
Did you use any additional cooling, fans, new heatsink etc?
Thanks, sorry for all the questions. :)
The problem is the 'almost'! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by bloodbanger
You need pretty good cooling.
The NB is cooled with icy water. CPU temp is -87C. There are so many fans cooling the memory etc. that the whole thing would fly out of the window if it wasn't held in place by a 100- pound cascade... I can imagine the headlines if it would land on someone's head! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by RichUK
haha :DQuote:
Originally Posted by ziberia
:DQuote:
Originally Posted by ziberia
..after 2 weeks I will get an new Commando back, I hope it will work well :cool:
im sorry, but can you manually set strap on the commando?
Too bad its going to take that long!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dani
@ justin: Not yet, maybe in a later BIOS?
I got the board running for a couple of hours today. Slight improvement as I managed to break the FSB 540 wall.
Vcore 1.66v, Vmch 2.0v.
http://ziberia.1g.fi/kuvat/10.375.jpg/full
Nice Ziberia. Whats max fsb with multi 7 and/or 8 ?
Wow! this board sure is promising. Is there a option for the bootstrap to change?
My board droops like mad, looks like the final boards have had a slight hardware revamp ;)
I may be looking for high res pic's to see what I have to change here ;)
For the xth time, NO, there is NOT.Quote:
Is there a option for the bootstrap to change?
is this board available for purchase yet?
ok if Tony's board has become vdroop but retail does not ...what are others seeing with respect to vdroop
I'll be happy to help you with the pictures, Tony.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
Could you please explain the REF voltages?
ziberia – You’re so close to a sub 10 second super pi time.
Tony, is it possible to program next BIOS so it will have VDIMM voltage @ default 2V, now it boot with 1.93VDIMM? :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tony
I'm getting my Asus Commando on Tuesday. :D
Thing is, i've got G.Skill 6400 HZ's, so am i going to have an issue with booting for the first time due to the default VDIMM?
Scan have them in stock in the UKQuote:
Originally Posted by RichUK
EDIT - oops too late
G. Skill HZ's are rated DDR2-800 4-4-4-12 @ 2.0-2.1v. They will boot will less easily, you'll be fine. Especially if less is 1.93v:)Quote:
Originally Posted by RichUK
Can´t be done without Asus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dani
The board doesn´t use the new default setting without saving settings once.
commando shown as OOS at ZZF
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/Produc...uctCode=247128
$299 is starting price.
Oh crap :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by The Stilt
droop mod from p5b dlx work great on commando, 1.60v Bios = 1.577v Idle / 1.572v Load (measured with dmm) :toast:
awesome!Quote:
Originally Posted by Chri$ch
thanks for that news! guess we won't have to figure out the droop mod for this board!
Yes, layout is same around socket, I think Vcore is same too
Here are my accomplishments after 3 nights with the board. All in all, the Commando behaves a lot like a P5B Dlx. It is a very quick board.
I had to flash the BIOS once after setting VMCH to 2.025 volts messed it up. It is also quite easy to fry your memory. Believe me.
The Hardware Monitor in the BIOS shows massive voltage fluctuation for Vcore and especially Vdimm. I think that all the voltage readings are purely indicative. I did not have time to verify the readings with a mm.
So, here is what you can expect:
1M
http://ziberia.1g.fi/kuvat/10.344.jpg/full
8M
http://ziberia.1g.fi/kuvat/2.11.938.jpg/full
32M
http://ziberia.1g.fi/kuvat/10.31.094.jpg/full
PiFast
http://ziberia.1g.fi/kuvat/PiFast+19.50.jpg/full
I can mod Core 8 code yes but as Stilt says you will have to boot once with 1 dimm, then set defaults where the 2V kicks in and reboot.
if you want me to do this i will have to get the tools off my workstation, im in Vegas now for CES.
T
OMG, I wise I were there 2.
have fun
(still waiting to see this board do +600 fsb)
Does the Commando support CF with the future ATI cards? I read somewhere that most boards couldn't it as the new cards had the new internal CF thing instead of master + slave.
I think I read somewhere that the new ATI/AMD graphics cards (R600) when in crossfire mode require the full x16 lanes for its operation. If this is the case, maybe the driver will reject the crossfire functionality with two R600 cards in place, maybe, I don't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yay for Cheese
This Commando board in crossfire mode offers one slot at x16 and the other slot at x4. So if the above logic is correct, this board will not support the new ATI/AMD graphics cards in crossfire mode.
what the hell is AMD/ATI doing with CF...they seem to be boxing themselves in huge corner with virtually no 2 x16 pci-e mobos out..do they think people will only buy a mobo to support there graphics cars..nope, only a few extreme enthusiasts would do that...it appears they will kill themselves with this stupidtyQuote:
Originally Posted by RichUK
Also to drop intel chipset support is moronic...you may as well kick your competition at its own game and have a part of there market share and yours as well....
When you think about it, Nvidia has done this all along. Only a nvidia sli board could run sli until hacked drivers became available that enabled it to run on Intel chipsets. Nvidia's monoploy worked and sold fine as we all know.:)Quote:
Originally Posted by nealh
Quote:
Originally Posted by RichUK
If I am not mistaken, even the RD600 chipset only offers 8x by 8x for crossfire mode. So it cannot use the new R600 graphics cards?
Does the Commando seem to be generally a faster board? maybe a lil more stable with stuff? Or is there still no noticeable improvement on speed and oc ability?
Because ive been seriously considering getting this or the DFI RD600 and I cant seem to make up my mind, the independent memory clocking is a really nice feature and thats whats makin me lean towards the RD600. Could anyone elaborate on any of this, because specifically with my P5B Deluxe my ram latency goes through the roof running anything over 400fsb because of the strap, so being able to run say like DDR2 1000 or 1100 at a 400fsb sounds really good, anyone know?
WTF please don't tell me this is with 1066 strap :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by ziberia
No, i doubt it. That looks like good old 1333.Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
It's 1066 ;)
:eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dani
does 4:5 RAM ratio clock the RAM exactly the same as other rations ie 1:2 :)
one more question this high FSB was clockgened to such MHz from sub-400MHz FSB boot to stay in the 1066 strap right?
Wow, thats incredibly impressive. Please do tell if you had to clockgen to get there and was it a cascade or single stage used.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dani
Thank you MrDeeds!Quote:
Originally Posted by MrDeeds
1066 strap - yes.
ClockGen - yes. CY28551, just like P5B Dlx.
Minicascade - yes.
Well I think I'm going to get this board, however I guess the underlying question I hadnt thought of is... Did they fix the god forsaken 4:5 divider running like crap and crashing and generally being unstable?
pls check this for meQuote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
pretty please :toast:
today arrived my E6400 Rev. L2
Max FSB is 480 (watercooled) :(
http://freenet-homepage.de/chris0707.../SuperPi-1.jpg
http://freenet-homepage.de/chris0707...inebench-1.jpg
in a few days arrive 3 X6800, i hope one of them do more than 500FSB :)
Edit: Rev. L2 has very good temps (or is it a coretemp failure?)
http://freenet-homepage.de/chris0707...-L2/Idle-1.jpg
http://freenet-homepage.de/chris0707...-L2/Load-1.jpg
Arg.. I can't get the "soundcard" installed on my Asus Commando (I've just recived it), I'm always getting an UAA High Definition Audio error. I've installed the KB835221 and KB888111 hotfixs but still getting the UAA error.
Anyone ?
Edited: Problem solved !
So when is this motherboard getting a wide release in the US? Asus' US site has nothing on it.
Ha, got my Commando today, I hope it will work :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dani
More user info! Good... :D
try not to kill it so quick this time :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Dani
One thing, my other G.Skill does 1000000000000 error @ defaul in HCI Memtest, one and the other does 0 (zero) error @ same settings/voltage (2.0-2.3V) :(
So I will use one stick from now till someday...
But tomorrow I will try this Commando :)
Bad luck again. :mad: The stick was working in your 975 board?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dani
No, same thing with 975 :(
G.Skill have "lifetime" warranty :)
Is this mobo working better with Q6600/Q6700, than the P5B Dlx?
so wheres the 1300 mhz shots I kept hearing these boards would do?
1300 is easy on the 680i, and the commando is supposedly taking that aspect and being done for this commando too, atleast thats what I kept hearing...
but so far, nothing more then a few FSB shots.
wheres the ram clocking?
yes. this will be a feature included in all future asus boards.Quote:
Originally Posted by thebeast
Anyone know a European store that has the Commando which ships internationally?
Much appreciated!
HPM Computer (germany)Quote:
Originally Posted by Antioch
With the current bios versions the board can´t do anything over 1100MHz fully stable no matter the settings.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kunaak
I have now - Striker, Commando and eVGA, OC of RAM on Commando is tragedy, no one P965 board cant do same or better OC of RAM then nF680i ...
Best Ocer for RAM from that boards is eVGA, Striker is worst and Commando is crap, dont buy it ...
I think you just dont have the skill to do it on P965..Quote:
Originally Posted by OBR
..and dont blame Commando, it will be great mobo for xtreme OC, but with this current BIOS you cant just do it :stick:
We wait and see what next version of Commando BIOS will include :fact:
More user results please?
I want to see if it's worth 'upgrading' from my P5B-E plus ^^ (965 to 965 is not really an upgrade I know, but I want higher OCability/stability)
Do you know which is the "tipically" FSB limit on QuadCores ? If i'm right, all mobos usually overclocks less if the cpu is a quadcore, i'm right ?
I'm still at 450Mhz in this Commando mobo on a QX6700:
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/6803/450vt3.th.jpg
That's at 1.7V NBCore and 1.54V FSB Termination. The others are in Auto.
What make me nutts is the weird shutdowns that makes at (almost) every bios change...
Which are the recommended voltages for a great OC on Air cooling ? I have always used a 975X which was quite simplier... so many voltages there :P
Oh.. and.. i'm the only one with several Vcore droops ? I set 1.35V in bios, at windows it shows 1.30V at idle and 1.27V at full load. (in that screenshot i'm using 1.4V in bios).
Edit:
I can't pass 455Mhz at any voltage, even at 2V VBCore and 1.6V FSB. Chipset temperature is ok (35ºC), i've added a delta fan.
check it for me too PLZ :DQuote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
I've just tried the 1:2 divider and it works ok. FSB 266 MEM @ 533Mhz.
http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/2...er12fl7.th.jpg
I Will try to put it now @ FSB 426 MEM @ 533 using the 4:5 divider.
Edit:
It does it using the 4:5 also.
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/4...er45ve7.th.jpg
PD: It's a gskill pc8000hx at 2.4v
Tony, any info about first Commando BIOS release?
Hey Dani,
I got my Commando today and am having trouble getting it to start up with such low default VDIMM too. I'm also finding that more often than not it will boot at only PCI-E 1x. Really hope Asus can fix something up for us.
Other than it seems pretty damn good.
These aren't good news. Still the pci-e 1x prob, plus a vdimm one... :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by HermS
Have u tried this? Works for me on P5B-Deluxe.
Thanks for the link though Joe, much appreciated.:toast:
Yeah I looked at that earlier on today, but one of the options isn't available in this bios:-
I tried changing all the other settings but it doesn't help on this board. As it goes, the same thing happens with my P5WDG2 WS Pro. It is worse with the Cellshock GKX than with my GSKill HZ GMH on both boards.Quote:
In SB:
PCIEX16_2/PCIEX1_1 Force => X4Mode (fast)
In the manual it says that there is an option for hyperthreading in bios, but there is no option shown in the 0601 bios. Is that significant? I know on my P5WDG2 I had to disable a hyper-something or other.:para:
JoeBar, the VDIMM problem is normal, all boards default to 1.80V but some RAM requires a bit more volts to boot at SPD. Just bad thinking on the RAM manufacturer's side, it's not ASUS's fault.
As for the PCIe X1, it's strange, but doesn't happen on all boards.
PS. Hyperthreading is for older P4 architecture CPUs, no need to worry about it.
i am talking about the obsolute max clocks on RAM...........can you test that RAM for fastest possible mhz on 4-4-4-x with 1:2 and 4:5 dividers please and report whether there is any difference in top MHz obtainedQuote:
Originally Posted by krampak
so from i gather for now that
commando=p5bdlx with all its bugs (and who knows mabey more) with digital pwm (with same drop) 1 intelnal sata less and 1066 strap all the way no strap switching at 400 :confused: .......lol thats just me convincing myself not to press "order" before im sure it better than my p5bdlx
I've been following this thread closely but updates seem very slow ^^, funny it was titled "Commando results" but look at the lack of "results".
I really want some user to elaborate their research on straps with this board, because FSB500+ with 1066 is too good to be true, and I mean we need bandwidth tests and benchmarks to back this up, 1066 should outperform 1333 in any case, given same frequency. (lower Pi times, higher 3Dmarks etc.)
I always thought this was the hype of the next big thing (look how far P5B-Dx goes on 1333 strap, now the same level of ocability with 1066 and nobody goes nuts and posts results?), but it is even more inactive than before it was released :P.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Blknoel
so true, im also sceptic of the 1066 strap that high, from the start it seemed like a bling bling p5bdlx and that would be the only thing to really make it stick out....cmon lets see some benches at various fsb to make sure thats a 1066 strap (if it really is)
You misunderstood, I think. 500+ with 1066 strap is (even on Commando) reachable only with very high V_NB (which Commando offers in standard, unmodded) and booted @ 400 + ClockGen, as usual. Ziberia's results was on ~2V @ NB (cooled with icy water, so not anythink "standard" ;)) and, of course, boot @ 400 + ClockGen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blknoel
So in fact nothing new compared to (modded) P5B-Dlx.
people eager to see some results can drop in at i4memory.com ....one of our members is doing some decent testing and can provide those answers if you ask nicely :p:
http://www.i4memory.com/showthread.php?t=3552
thanks for the link.....so ya its just too simular to p5bdlx to change from it...well for air anyway
kinda dissapointed was hopping there will be at least the strap setting in the bios