MMMM.. cant wait :D
What is Ultra good at anyway, their PSUs suck, their ram is bargain crap, their cases are really cheap, their just not good at all...
Well keep up your 1337 work hipro5
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MMMM.. cant wait :D
What is Ultra good at anyway, their PSUs suck, their ram is bargain crap, their cases are really cheap, their just not good at all...
Well keep up your 1337 work hipro5
Thats the past. please look at johnnyguru's site.Quote:
Originally Posted by LordofDoom
Subscribed to this goodness. HiPro, you're crazy. :D
I have Victoria Magnetics Toroids with similar specs. 14V/2000VA
they were to power a set of six Aleph-X Amps.
But since my audio focus has moved to something even more extreme(Plasma tweeters!). but lets not get of topic, Can you post the diagrams(with suitable disclaimers of Course) so that other people (such as myself) can marvle at all your engineering Glory and perhapse even build ourselves a copy :) :clap: :banana:
patiently waiting for pics :D
Not patiently, just waiting piccies :p:. I am more than convinced that you are gonna :slapass: as you have been doing ever since. Not trying to pressure you up though :D
Actually, no.Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
150A sustained.
Albiet rated at 25C.
but which PSU will ever run at 25C? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by jonnyGURU
all PSU manufacturers should rte their PSUs at 50C, this is more suitable for realworld-conditions (just like enermax did it with their galaxy PSU);)
My solar powered car can go 2000mph....
on the sun. :D
150A sustained with Ultra? And efficiency about 50% id guess. 110v wall plug cant output 2kW anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by jonnyGURU
Greece have 220v,not 110v like in USA...Quote:
Originally Posted by Kasparz
240 in Kiwi-land... Send us down that PSU Mate :D
Dont worry, i know.
Some update......Unfortunately the box of it would be quite big - though I don't mind at all -
It's dimensions are U2 Rack mount (19") thus 48.2cm x 13.3cm (phase plate) and 55cm it's depth.....:)
I finally decided to make THREE indepented circuits for three +12V outputs.
Each +12V output will be 1000Watts REAL 24/7 power and 1300Watts peak.
Two of them will be for the VGAs and the other one, will be for the mobo....
All the other power supplies (3.3-5, etc.) will be done as described....
As for photos, I'll upload some as soon as I find some time to do so, coz I have a LOT of work to do here and not much time for my shelf to spend....:(
P.S. The big joke is that I've started an 1000Watts PSU only for the VGAs, and now I'm building a 5000Watts one.....:D
EDIT: I forgot to add that it'll have on each output voltage digital readout to show the real voltage under load or idle and off caurse full protected from overvoltage, overcurrent and over temperature.......PLUS that the 2 x 12cm x 12cm DELTA fans will not work all the time at full speed but they'll be thermaly controlled by the huge heatsink.... :)
wow...:slobber:
Make me when your done!:p:
*drool*
This is so awesome.
Soooo.... when are you going to put all these ideas into a smaller, perhaps 700w model? hehehe jk
you should probably give up on building a PSU at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
just go to the local power plant and lease all their equipment, get a few Megawatts...
He would still need to get 12, 5 and 3.3 volts out of that so the PSU is still needed.
How come your using linear regulation? You could make FAR better use of the power from the wall by using an Industrial DC-DC converter. Plus it would be simple, but of course expensive for the DC-DC converters.
If your transformer puts out 14 volts DC rectified at the amperage your trying to do then that will be several hundred watts if not 1000 watts of power being dissipated just by the regulation circuitry. Also the capacitance that will be needed to prevent excessive ripple to the regulation circuits will be outrageous. I know linear supplies put out nice clean voltage, but is it suitable for driving high current switchmode regulation on the graphics card?
I've had problems in the past with transient response with large linear regulation circuitry driving PWM regulation. Since PWM takes power in bursts thousands of times per second plus the EMI it fed back into the linear regulation it drove the feedback loop of the linear supply nuts and caused some serious High frequency oscillation which destroyed the linear supply in several minutes. It can be done, but there are easier ways. In my case the feedback 180 degree phase shift was too low considering the frequncy of the PWM. Your linear supply is gonna need one hell of a current slew rate. large secondary capacitance can help to some degree, but then you gotta worry about current peaks during recharge causing ringing on the output.
Seams the easiest, cheapest, and most power efficient route would be to design a SMPS that directly took filtered & rectified mains AC and put out the 12v. I bet there are medical switch mode power supplies that put out a hundred or so amps of current. But then again it wold cost thousands of dollars.
Also, I have a power supply at work that was used by a very very very well known automotive amplifier manufacturer and it puts out 300 amps at 7v to 18 volts DC. It was used to test 2000 watt Class D amplifiers which are horrid for noise induction into the electrical line so a couple of video cards is no prob.
I'd definitely like to see the schematic of your regulation circuitry. A 12v Linear regulated 400amp supply is nothing to sneeze at for sure!!:D
Is the 5000watts you figured output power or total power from the wall?
Also for anyone wanting a dedicated hundred to 200 amp 12v power supply, they are readily available for autosound purposes. I used to use them a lot for trade shows and when I competed in DB drag racing shows. Stinger makes decent ones and Im sure there are many other manufacturers also. they are also reasonably priced considering the output.
I'm using Linear regulation for me and only.......I'm in love with one PSU of mine that I have it since 1985 and it works almost everyday testing/feeding the R.F. Linear Amplifiers (FM/TV) I make.....
Since that time till now, it works and it works and it'll keep working....;) :D
Now show me a Switching PSU that has worked OVER 20 years and STILL working with ~5 to 15mV output ripple at full load.....;)
Though in my constructions of my TV transposers/repeaters and FM Linear Amplifiers, I put switching PSUs.
As I have figured out all those years of manufacturing, the most (if not all) of the "machines" that come here for repairing, have switching PSUs and guess what!.....Their PSUs are died from the ups and downs of the El. power company...At 10 of these, only one or none is died with linear PSU....;)
As for EMI you're talking about, I'm used to it many years now coz I work with high frequencies and I HAVE to filter my "machines" VERY well for EMI and RF.... ;)
Anyways, I do like and work with switching PSUs as well BUT this one will be as I have dreamed off....:) :toast:
P.S. I MUST hurry up with it now coz I'm sick of having FOUR PSU for benching....One for main - Zippy 700W - one for all of my 12x12cm DELTA fans, and one for EACH VGA..... :(
don't hurry too much though, you want it to be perfect :)
Talk 'bout overkill.Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
How thick are wires that u use for 12/5/3.3v? How much current they can handle?
You are probably best customer of Greece power station :D
awesome psu
238 Replies and no pics, hipro show us that monster :slobber:
Best Regards
its will only suck as much power at the rig requires not the full rated power of the psu,
great work George keep it coming
Yes, but this monster (literally) will suck up more power than any other computer PSU around, as it's a linear design. One thing though, and that's the most important fact and hipro's intention: It will deliever much cleaner power than any switching PSU. It's not intended to be efficient. But who cares about efficiency when there are records to break. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by -Acid-
Go hipro5. :toast:
so true. we need some pics!Quote:
Originally Posted by LittleDevil
Yes that's a problem now.....:(Quote:
Originally Posted by SparkyJJO
At least I could prepare and get ready the 12Volts lines for now coz I'm in a benching time and afterwards, I'll do the rest of them.....I'll see....:(
Yes sorry for not picturing anything yet......As soon as esdee will come here with his digicam, I'll tell him to shot some and then upload them....
P.S. The heatsink weights about 10 - 12kgrs ..... :D
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Originally Posted by hipro5
I think we need to start a fund to get you a new camera hipro! I think it would be a worthwhile repayment for all that you have given the community.
Agreed Start a paypall!!! Or are you not enough of a man to accept handout Hipro5? ;):D :D:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Revv23
OMG man lol thats crazy ..... that thing will be such a beast :toast: :slobber:Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
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Originally Posted by Kasparz
Quarter guage I believe.:slobber:
Agreed. The only advantage of the linear supply would be clean output. On the other hand, i'm not sure the line ripple is very important as all the sensible parts in a PC (CPU, RAM, GPU, MCH etc) are powered trough secondary regulators.Quote:
Originally Posted by SPL15
I am very curious to see how hipro will make the linear regulators handle the transients, i'm guessing monster LC filters with very high-quality capacitors will be the method of choice. But, filters that big could probably clean up the voltage from a switchmode converter :).
If I'm not mistaking, then lower ripple on the input means less power dissipation in the fed regulation circuit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Micutzu
I don't think there's a direct connection.
It is true, input ripple will go right trough the PWM converter all the way to the output, but wether it's 50mV or 10mV doesn't really matter as the PWM's own switching noise is way-way-way more important there. Reworked motherboard PWM converters yes, those would really make a difference.
Where is the rest of the work. 10 pages and nothing. Might be my first post, but yea......
Heh, heh, heh.......I did about 2 years to finish the DDR Maximizer and you want in 2 weaks a "beast"....?.......:DQuote:
Originally Posted by tylerdustin2008
speaking of which, when are going to be able to get the DDR3 PCBs? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
Great you just showed that you've got no clue. :fact: Use the search function and have a look at hipro's other projects. And then show some more respect in your further postings. ;) If hipro5 says that he's building a super PSU, then you can be assured that that's what he does. Some poeple got a real life and don't have all day long to take photos, or anything else, for postings in forums like these.Quote:
Originally Posted by tylerdustin2008
No offence taken, but think about it. :toast:
As soon as the mobos are out, the DDR3 PCB will be out too....;)Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
Quote:
Originally Posted by Micutzu
In order to use low drop out linear regulation effectively, as in the RMS voltage going into the regulation circuit is very close to the regulated output voltage, you need pretty good filtering in order to keep the voltage above the drop out point or else the line ripple will dirctly be seen on the regulated output. Low dropout linear regulators are typically used to minimize losses and reduce wasted power due to the fact that the voltage times current equals power. If you minimise the voltage across the regulator, you minimize power dissipation of the regulator.
In HIPRO's case, he's gonna need all the efficiency he can possibly find.
Also, PWM regulation will NOT let line side ripple just pass through it. 60Hz ripple is a piece of cake for any decent switchmode regulation circuit. Since the PWM frequency is thousands of Hz higher than the 60 hz it is filtering, there is no problems getting rid of it. It slightly works like PCM works with audio in a computer. The sampling rate means a lot with higher frequency abilities, but low frequency sounds dont get very much benefit because there are thousands of samples for a 60hz tone compared to a 20khz tone which may only get a few samples or even only 2 to render the wave.
Now UNREGULATED PWM converting will no doubt pass line ripple hz for hz, but this is not regulating a voltage, it is just multiplying it. Like in car audio amplifiers. Most use an unregulated DC-DC converter which simply takes the 12VDC and it goes to a switching circuit that switches the 12vdc thousands of times per second and has a duty cycle of 50% (theoretically in a perfect world) and this gets fed to transformers and then rectified and filtered for 30 to 60 to 80 or higher volts DC. In this case, any and all line ripple passes straight through. If your into autosound, thats why there is such an emphasis on your car's electrical system's ground resistance and power delivery resistance.
Back on Topic though... I got a very good source for great quality 1 to 2 FARAD Aluminum electrolytic capacitors with a voltage rating of 20V's that would be PERFECT for Hipro's application. They are purposed to be used in Autosound, but would work great for line filtering in Hipro's application. Parrellel a six pack of 2 Farad caps and you'll have a nice 12 Farad capacitor bank.
I would stay away from those ultra high capacity automotive caps though (square shaped), they wouldnt be very good/safe for continous 60 Hz filtering and could definitely be dangerous or explosive if abused.
I dont feel like doing the calculations, but your gonna need a hellava capacitor bank in order to keep ripple small enough to use 16V for the voltage being regulated without getting dropout ripple feed through.
One other thing, no matter what, this power supply is going to be a massive RF transmitter because of the massive current spikes being switched by the rectification diodes. I suggest some sort of bypass cap and snubber circuits on your rectification or else you'll have the FCC knockin on your door... Well maybe not that extreme, but it could cause interference with your computer's signal integrity which could result in poor OC.
wow slp15 im reading the custom sound system you list in your signature and i would love to hear something of that quality play some music!
anyways do you have any pics of that setup or can you give me anymore information?
Quote:
Originally Posted by brandinb
Yea it definitely can sing you to sleep or scare you to death. In my case this past weekend scared... My sub destroyed the drywall in the corner it is in. Screwheads are popped out and the drywall seam is cracked halfway up the wall. Play an 18Hz test tone and you can see the walls flex about 3/8" in the center. Play a 35Hz test tone and it makes your eyes water and police come and say hello... Yea had some buddies over and had too many beers and got outta hand at 3 AM...
Sorry dont have pics to show right now and I'd feel like a real jerk posting pics in Hipro's thread.
Back on topic though, How's it coming Hipro? What are the specs of the transformer you are using?
EDIT: My sig is (was) incorrect though. My sub is now a Digital Designs Audio 9515f in ported box. I sold the earthquake system it was very sloppy sounding. Also my sub amp is only 1500 watts, that 2500 was a typo. Also, please PM me if you want more details/comments I thread steal to much as it is
Can you post some PSU schemes?
On English please :wave:
Hipro - amazing dude. Used your old site for V modding my mobo years ago and now this just scream out to me! 5KW is imense. I though maybe getting 2 PC+P 1KW and running one the mobo and 1 GFX and the other for last GFX all my other gubbings. Think you should get a PSU out there that we all can use as the stuff that is out is as you says not what it is
I saw this thread, and I remembered that Delta makes a huge line of switching power supplies from 6w to 5000w. I wonder if one could use one of those +1000w monsters for a DX10 SLi rig...? :D Let me look for the link...
Here ya go:
http://www.delta.com.tw/product/ps/s...?pcid=3&ptid=5
And you can buy all of it here:
http://www.icpowerx.com/focusparts/websearch1177.html
But good work man, the project looks good. :)
OMFG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AMAZING HIPRO!!!
keep it going ;)
:shocked: :shocked: this is the most awesome thing ive ever seen. i think its safe to assume that youll get no drop in your 12v line after thisone is finished :D
hey George "Overboard" Hipro5.............where are those photos you promised :DQuote:
Originally Posted by k|ngp|n
I'll post some photos of it as soon as it "takes" a "form"....:)
I've changed the plans a bit......I'll use DDR Maximizers for each output so I'll use 3 of them for 12V, 5V, and 3.3V......The 5VSTB and the -12V will be on their own....:)
I'm realy dissapointed to be honest from the PSUs out there......:(
Running a SINGLE 8800GTX at 1.76VCore and 918MHz core/1215MHz rams with my moded (12.9V) 550Watts total (and 650Watts max) Enermax, idle goes up to 12.75V and under load it goes down to 11.48Volts......:(
Running it from my Zippy 700Watts WITH the rig, the 12V is moded at 13Volts and it goes down to 12.45Volts.......This Zippy is the one with the single 12V line......It feeds the whole rig AND the high clocked VGA as well and it still "stays" at 12.45Volts........:)
Hipro, try if you have the chance something based on Topower P9 (like Tagan U25/U95) or Seventeam SSI EPS v2.91 (like Silverstone Olympia) electronics, i found these to have excellent regulation. Seventeam even has remote sense on the +12V cables ;).
umm like Silverstone Olympia have really bad ripples =/
hipro. I'm sure k|ngp|n only uses 1 PSU. If I remember correctly he said it was an 800W or somthing like that. It says in most of his results threads if you want to check specificly :).
Hey hipro, how is the maximizer going to power you video cards? i thought it had a 150w max? Of course you are modding it but im just curious what your plans are...
I'm assuming independent voltage regulation for each. Neat idea ;)
The Maximizer can control 4 x Power Mos-Fets (600Watts)(their Gates) and THEY will be the output from 1.4 - 2Volts.....;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Revv23
Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
Oh ok, i should have known you built the maximizer with secret expandability. :)
do you mean 1.4 to 12volts?
No.....you said "power up the VGA"......Direct VGU Core feed....:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Revv23
Quote:
Originally Posted by hipro5
:slobber: :slobber: :slobber:
Hey Hipro, I'm an EE major right now and I was just wondering...where do you come up with these Ideas? I realize I've got A LOT to learn. :toast: here's to hopefully haveing your knowledge one day...
If we have to wait over two years to see this thing, just thaw me out when its done. Ill be in my cryogenic freeze chamber.
EDIT:
LoL, if I can't get something done in two days I quit :p:. hipro, you have some godlike patience!
haha george this reminds me to the days of the maximizer:D
Everybody was asking pics and finaly a Whole set of pics was shown and everybody was like Jawdropping all over the place ^^
Lets hope(and it prolly will) it's as good or better then the maxi.
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Originally Posted by hipro5
haha :D
in our labs we can keep you in a cryogenic chamber + you can see the project finished with your own eyes :DQuote:
Originally Posted by wa77ss
Thing is I have to work so as to feed my family and this comes in second place.....:(
BUT it MUST be done coz I'm sick and tired of benching with 3 - 4 different PSUs....:(
@ PanteraGSTK : My ideas - maybe all of them - come up when I'm in toilet....:D
hipro: the XS community will send you by mail a big box with cereals ( plenty of fiber) to make you more creative than what you currently are :)
I don't know how far you are in getting parts for this project, but I've seen a lot of parts of all kinds at the Electronic Goldmine REALLY CHEAP.
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Originally Posted by Judaeus Apella
Do not know where this place is from, but remember not everyone lives in the US and shipping tends to be very expensive :fact:
They don't ship a lot of stuff outside the US because they have parts from military equiptment, like stuff having to do with weapons systems, computers, lasers, etc.
please include
window, uv fan/light, copper heat-pipin'
modular?
water cooled would be cool 2
rock it out hipro5
found a bunch of 370VAC 50MFD caps for $6CDN each.. :D
Waiting to see the Beast complete :D;)
here is a 2kw psu made by my friend:
rated: 2050w
peak: 2350w
12v1=12v2= Rated63.5A/ Peak70A
5V=60A/70A
3.3v=75A/80A
independent 4 rails, 2*12v=on/off or balanced
http://itbbs.pcshow.net/attachments/...FhLtWmRPgu.jpg
http://itbbs.pcshow.net/attachments/...1LvjfNfzT0.jpg
http://itbbs.pcshow.net/attachments/...YAhkANhSeh.jpg
http://itbbs.pcshow.net/attachments/...hKVJ8vDfnE.jpg
http://itbbs.pcshow.net/attachments/...KV51U7Jr7z.jpg
http://itbbs.pcshow.net/attachments/...9hGznlnwxf.jpg
Showoff :)
That's pretty awesome
wow Victor that's a monster man :cool:
crazy huge mother of a psu there Vic :eek:
Looking wood Vic.. your friend made the whole psu from existing ones, right? or did hi make it "de novo"?
looks to be a combination of both. sweet :D
Wow Victor, that's monsterous. I like the "Made in China".
Huh that is monster, really nice PSU there ;)
regards
thx guys above.
my friend...in my oppinion, he is definetly MAD.
as he said, he can copy a Asus mobo, and rebuild a non-mos/caps mobo.
just using a liner psu to control all the volts./amps and will be absolutely stable like a dead-man's heart beat :D
for the above PSU he made, cost about 1100~1200usd for his own hobby.
but I think that's tooo big and crazy for me.
I'd rather buy zippy 850w for cpu+ pc p&c 1kw for gpu and other stuff like hdd/mobo/fans etc.
what do u think ? haha
omg its the size of a computer =/
thats nuts!! come on Hipro5, you gonna take that??? aha
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Originally Posted by VictorWang
In electronics, if you know your stuff and know it good, you are only limited by your imagination and your budget.
Component wise, a motherboard isnt all that high tech or complicated. It's the physical layout that makes or breaks a good motherboard design and that's something MUCH harder to design well and some manufacturers even have trouble copying it from Intel's published specs.
To be a truely good electronics engineer, you gotta know physics inside and out. Not just the electrical part, you gotta know it all.
wow id love to see a mobo with every voltage regulator replaced with a linear one. im sure it would be a great overclocker especially if you started with a good clocking board before you start.
I have some Jung style linear regulator pcb's here, they are an improved design by Andrew L Weekes. High bandwidth ultra low noise supplies, with pre sense, and a pre tracking regulator. The only unfortunate area is that supplies such as these are only good for about 1 amp at 12v. I have been toying with the idea of supplying some of the lower current areas of a board with some of these for a while, like the PLL. Or even using a low jitter clock generator circuit..
regards
Raja
http://tangentsoft.net/elec/opamp-linreg.html
many of the modern low power regulators are in the above link..
hipro5: Toilet huh? I just need to finish my degree so I can actually attemt my ideas. I need a reclining toilet to "invent" on.:p:
VictorWang: That psu is pretty awsome, but the size is a bit much. I like the idea of building a motherboard, and as someone stated it'd be great to take a good clocking board and just take off what you don't want and add better voltage regulation, better caps, or whatever. I actually can't wait to go back to school, I never thought that would happen, but then you guys have to show me what I "should" be able to do once I'm finished. Who knows, maybe I will actually be able to contribute something to XS.
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Originally Posted by prosk8
Sorry for spamming but this made absolutely no sense... I can see where people are having an issue understanding you....
Its not that we are trying to be mean, we just do not understand what you are saying.
This is an interesting but a little brain-dead concept. To get massive amount of extra power for very little investment simply but 2 or 3 inexpensive 580Watt supplies and run mobo on one, graphics on another and periphs on 3rd if you are a total amp junky. Although this solution requires more space and will probably generate more heat than a single unit solution.
In case you don't know Hipro use 4 PSUs in the same time and he is tired from this , the Guy can afford 1KW PSU but he needs something special and makes his life easier in the futureQuote:
Originally Posted by s_p_kay
Thanks for update Kemo - actually I'm an Electrical Engineer w/ advanced degrees so I am quite familiar with the quest for the ultimate PS ;-) I was merely stating what I have observed as an over-educated computer engineer; i.e. it's hard to compete with a small "army" of reliable moderately priced supplies from a purely price-performance standpoint.
you must be new here.Quote:
Originally Posted by s_p_kay
Well after some long time I'm very interested if there is a update or some Hipro. Been watching this one from the beginning and still am very impressed.
So hopefully there is something you can tell right?:p:
Grrrrrr. 13 pages and no damn pics!!!!!!!
serious need of update!!
Chill, Rome wasn't built in 1 day!
I'll update this week you guys...... ;)
I had a LOT of work to do during Easter.....My worst times due to a lot of work are in X-Mas, in Easter and in Summer......I couldn't even find much time for benching.....:(
great hipro5 i cant wait to see what you have done.
i can wait to see some benching results with a psu like this really!
i bet you could push a pentium4 based core really well with this power.
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Originally Posted by brandinb
Nice idea, but the PSU only won't help you much as long as you leave the board's regulation untouched. ;) I'm sure that's no problem for hipro5 though. :)