MSI NX7900GTO T2D512E is 7900GTX?!

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10-31-2006, 01:30 PM
Xavior

I know.. Didn't work out.

2.08V, max 740MHz. Disgusting, I want my old GTO back. :(:(
10-31-2006, 01:42 PM
Alexandrus

2.08V and only 740MHz ?
Damn.....quite low. Are you sure you have BJ11 chips on your board ?
10-31-2006, 02:08 PM
Xavior

Yup.. Took the cooler off, it's BJ11.

Nothing I can do about I'm afraid.. Wasting time going to the store and back multiple times.. Just to get a card that has lower overclocks and the same flickering.

Hmmz.. Don't know what to say.. Was playing the NFS Carbon demo, and suddenly, the screen artifacts and is stuck. Reboot, nothing. Having it exchanged again. :/ I hope they still have my old GTO.. It did 830MHz on standard voltage, and the flicker problem seems to be well known on the 7900 series.
11-02-2006, 06:01 AM
lwj5

which is better 7900GTO or ASUS EN7950GT
11-02-2006, 10:04 AM
Alexandrus

If you would read this topic you would know.
The GTO is in fact a GTX with lower voltage to the memory and lower memory clocks. 7950GT is a different thing. The GTO is faster and cheaper, and if you can mod it to give ~1.95V to memory you're going to have a full GTX for ~half the price. Not to mention the cooling, which is way better and quieter on the GTO.
11-02-2006, 07:35 PM
lwj5

thx for your reply k i will get the GTO but the bad thing is it does not have High-Definition
11-02-2006, 09:19 PM
MONITERVN

MSI Japan :
http://www.msi-computer.co.jp/produc...O-T2D512E.html

MSI Demark :

http://www.msi-computer.de/produkte/...hp?Prod_id=622

Other sites said about it :

http://www.hardtecs4u.com/reviews/2006/msi_7900gto/

http://www.hardware.info/en-US/artic...2D512E_review/

According this site :

http://plusd.itmedia.co.jp/pcuser/ar...8/news001.html

Translated by google :

Quote:

Originally Posted by ITMedia

Unpublished GPU appeared in [akiba] the reason which is always different (1/4)
Gale at Akihabara where the heavy rain attacks, the user which runs about busily was happened to see sporadically. As for their [me] applying GeForce 7900 GTO which is sold from Friday. Keyword is “GTO” “35 watts” “hybrid” “electric ornament nameplate”!
Like the piranha which crowds in the meat the people who search GeForce 7900 GTO

　Friday of the investigation day, receiving the influence of the tropical cyclone which changes from the typhoon, it became one Japan and China terrible heavy weather. Partly due to weekday, if normal traffic decreases extremely, but because in the same day the graphic card “NX7900GTO-T2D512E” of MSI is sold with each shop, the enthusiastic user which from morning flocks in [akiba] had enlivened the town.
og_akiba1008_001.jpg Gale because of the heavy rain, closing the shutter of the 1st floor, the [dosuparaakiba] store which has done business

　NX7900GTO-T2D512E is the graphic card of the PCI-Express x16 connection which loads the unpublished GPU of NVIDIA “GeForce 7900 GTO”. You say with the special model which commemorates the establishment 20th anniversary of MSI, according to rumor that only only 200 it arrives to the country.

　As for GeForce 7900 GTO core clock with 650MHz, memory clock 1.32GHz. The 512M byte we load DDR2 memory, the specifications other than the memory clock have become equal to GeForce 7900 GTX. As the reference card seeing, also the point where it has 2 DVI-I terminals of Dual-Link correspondence is the same.

　However, is a big difference in price. Vis-a-vis the GeForce 7900 GTX on-board card having arrived at approximately 70,000 Yen, as for NX7900GTO-T2D512E approximately 35,000 Yen of half price. When GPU of high-end class enters into the hand at price in the high middle, being, the enthusiastic user searching extremely small-numbered stock, [akiba] of the heavy rain it is the case that it had run about. With the [pasokonshiyotsupu] arc a little overplentiful stock was verified, but it sold out entirely while collecting materials of approximately 10 parts. After that the user which flocks was, but when sellout you understand, in [sugu] it kept going out in road surface of the rain.
og_akiba1008_002.jpgog_akiba1008_003.jpgog_akiba10 08_004.jpg MSI “NX7900GTO-T2D512E”. It does not state the specifications regarding GPU altogether in the package, but details can be verified with the sight of the same company

　Itself it is not that much unusual for the unpublished GPU on-board card to appear from the GPU manufacturer. The graphic card vendor in order to finish to ship the tip/chip of the old generation to the front and back where the card which loads the next generation GPU is produced, acquiring new name to GPU where barely efficiency is not enough in proper specification, often uses the expedient which it utilizes. In regard to GeForce 7900 GTO, there was also a shop which you think that it appeared in the reason, but opinion of large crowd was different.

　The [pasokonshiyotsupu] arc “rare is the case very, but MSI commemorating establishment 20th anniversary, topic characteristic concern, in other words it seems that is produced with profit disregard. Still it is thought that from the fact that 7900 series release make grandly time of zenith, story is acquired to also NVIDIA” you say. In addition, from the certain shop “MSI the card of the special specification which at the major PC manufacturer OEM has been supplied, with quantity limitation don't you think? it seems that it circulates as the respective company brand. Because you hold down also the memory clock at BIOS level, you heard also the story that the hardware completely is the same expectation as the GeForce 7900 GTX on-board card”.

　For the user in addition with you can call the chance which is not, but the shop does not do the excessively good face. “Just topic characteristic being high, you can sell mono be too little. Not only there is no taste for the shop, is that the usual graphic card receives fanning. Honesty, selling out quickly, it goes out and thought now the shank” (the certain shop) with also grumble spills.

　Most shops had cleared at Friday point in time, but as for T-ZONE.PC DIY SHOP deciding number of sales of 1 days, from Saturday you sell in 3 days of Monday. Still chance is the case that it is

MSI shipped limited NX7900GTO-T2D512E with 1.1ns memory and very very incredible price - Because of commemorates the establishment 20th anniversary of MSI. I also recieve offer from MSI.

I think if you want and can pick this card, don't wait any second. That's great.

Regards

ZZ (from Vietnam )
11-05-2006, 01:42 AM
Dietka

I have 7900GTO Sancti model: 650/800 i wont overclock before i buy new motherboard and DDRII memories. Now i have AsRock DUAL 775 VSTA and E6300 and 1GB DDR400 mem.

Asrock goesnt even 300 :) and 3Dmark05 is littlebyte over 9000 with clean windows :D

I heard that 775 VSTA has very slow PCI-E and i think so to.

Best drivers for 7900GTO ?
11-05-2006, 02:34 AM
TaPaKaH

I have a 7900GTO from MSI.
Did the mods - goes 748/895 on stock heatpipe cooling easy, but has a coldbug @ ~0C :(
11-11-2006, 02:27 AM
BulldogPO

Anyone managed to install Forceware 79.02 drivers with 7900GTO?
11-12-2006, 06:15 AM
deck

Hi guy, I'm finally able to test my 7900GTO and...OMG it doesn't move from stock speeds! I'm overclocking from coolbits and it doesn't even reach 665/1380, it says they aren't stable frequencies...With rivatuner can oc to 695 /690 but more than that it gives me error. It is odd, it makes me thing of some driver's problem...I read of a voolbits issue. I'm on Forceware 93.71, could there be some problems with it, too? It is possible I got a card THIS unlucky?Should I use rivatuner or what is better?
11-12-2006, 10:15 AM
sesion

Quote:

Originally Posted by deck

Hi guy, I'm finally able to test my 7900GTO and...OMG it doesn't move from stock speeds! I'm overclocking from coolbits and it doesn't even reach 665/1380, it says they aren't stable frequencies...With rivatuner can oc to 695 /690 but more than that it gives me error. It is odd, it makes me thing of some driver's problem...I read of a voolbits issue. I'm on Forceware 93.71, could there be some problems with it, too? It is possible I got a card THIS unlucky?Should I use rivatuner or what is better?

Dude your just unlucky, im not getting even 665 core / 800 (1600) mem... im stuck at 660 / 1500 mem, everything above is cousing artifacts!
11-12-2006, 11:01 AM
deck

the problem is that I CAN't even try to see if it does artifacts...:( Why is that? How can I disable nvidia driver test?
11-12-2006, 02:13 PM
Alexandrus

Try other drivers, Coolbits and 93.71 is no good.
And by the way, sesion, 700MHz is not 1600MHz DDR, it's 1400MHz DDR ;)
11-12-2006, 03:16 PM
RPGWiZaRD

Can some1 do a quick favor, try launch FEAR or Oblivion with vsync disabled (meaning disabled from nvidia control panel too) so when you are in the menu for FEAR or Oblivion with a very high fps rate, if this is normal to all nvidia cards, you should have a high pitched electrical noise. Can you check that for me tho as that's what I've discovered with mine as it only appears when vsync is turned off and fps is like 1000+ fps (dunno exactly how high, might even be 2000+ :P) during menu in these games for example. Turning on vsync which limits the FPS rate in my case to 100 in the menus the noise is totally gone though.

RMA'd my first 7900GTO cuz of this even because I thought it was a faulty card with a bad capasistor somewhere but the 2nd card also had same problem so it seems like the high fps rate is the cause of it and I'd like to know if that's normal. But hey my 2nd card overclocks ~20MHz better on core and dunno about mem clock as I settled at 825MHz as I'm happy with it but Rivatuner's internal test still passed at 850MHz while with the old card it "only" passed up to 825. :)

BTW, XTreme-G 93.71 drivers are really nice but even the official Nvidia 93.71 drivers are really great too, highly recommended. Best drivers so far I've tested both IQ and performance wise (best IQ but on par performance with some other drivers which has much worse IQ).

EDIT: setting prerender limit to 0 also seems to completely remove the noise as it slowed down the 2D performance and video clips rendering rate which was rendered at like 1000+ fps (which prolly is far from true but I'm just pointing to the rate FRAPS is showing) with the value set at "3" in Serious Sam 2 with vsync off and went to ~130 fps now with prerender limit set to "0". But 3D/ingame performance remains the same so that's good. Cards are getting too fast for some less demanding tasks these days, my previous 6800GT obviously was yet too slow but 7900GTO becoming too fast and putting some kind of physical limit on the card as far as how many frames it can render per sec without causing the card to whine. :p:
11-13-2006, 04:16 AM
Omastar

I tried those XTreme-G drivers and my screen went black after the install. Thankfully, though, I rebooted and got into Windows to uninstall and reinstall the 91.47s. With the XTreme-Gs, my screen color was all screwed over (like 8-bit or something) and the resolution was like 640x480.
11-13-2006, 05:34 AM
playah

Quote:

Originally Posted by deck

the problem is that I CAN't even try to see if it does artifacts...:( Why is that? How can I disable nvidia driver test?

My 7900GTO clocked much better w/RT and switching from 8x.xx drivers to 91.47 also helped.
you can disable the test in RT,
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...highlight=test
11-13-2006, 05:48 AM
RPGWiZaRD

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omastar

I tried those XTreme-G drivers and my screen went black after the install. Thankfully, though, I rebooted and got into Windows to uninstall and reinstall the 91.47s. With the XTreme-Gs, my screen color was all screwed over (like 8-bit or something) and the resolution was like 640x480.

Installing new drivers should always be done by using driver cleaner and first uninstall from add/remove and then go to safe mode and run driver cleaner and remove "Nvidia" drivers and then restart and install the new driver set. Otherwise some old settings from older drivers or when get mixed up with newer ones might interfere. That's my best guess what happened in your case.
11-13-2006, 04:37 PM
deck

I bought another msi for my friend and that made the same thing, no oc over 700/700. Now the question:
1)is it common?
2)do you suggest me to flash to gtx?Or this very poor results lower the possibility to achieve high frequencies?
3)can you provide a bios that has convenient timings but don't change name to GTX? Would that be useful for warranty issues?
4)I've read some topics about pencil mod...how can I measure resistance? The result of simply measuring the resistor shouldn't be correct, because I would have to care about equivalence of the whole circuit, or am I wrong?
Thank you!
11-22-2006, 07:38 PM
Senater_Cache

when one removes the cooler (and thereby destroys the ram-thermal pads...what should one use to replace them?
(the cooler does not make contact with the ICs...)

please help me guys.
11-22-2006, 08:50 PM
Alexandrus

I used the same pads, I just had to remodel them to fit, and apparently it helped because my RAM can work at 800MHz w/o any extra voltage now :)

PS. Did anyone manage to make the card show up as GTX in Windows after modifying the original BIOS with the card ID as 7900GTX ? Because I did and even though the BIOS says GTX, the drivers still see it as GT/GTO.
11-22-2006, 09:01 PM
dinos22

these cards cost the same as normal GTX in australia....might as well call it GTX LOL!
11-29-2006, 07:55 AM
jVIDIA

What's the best MSI GTO original BIOS version ? And where to get it ?

Did anyone flashed a GTX bios ?
11-29-2006, 08:49 AM
Alexandrus

Best BIOS for me by far is the original one, .39.09, modified with GTX clocks.
11-29-2006, 09:03 AM
jVIDIA

Were can I get it ? ;)

And what did you noticied vs the original GTO .39.09 BIOS ?
11-30-2006, 06:56 AM
jVIDIA

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xavior

I know.. Didn't work out.

2.08V, max 740MHz. Disgusting, I want my old GTO back. :(:(

How do you test it ?

By the drivers Test button ? or benching and looking for artifacts ?
11-30-2006, 08:10 AM
Alexandrus

Quote:

Originally Posted by jVIDIA

Were can I get it ? ;)

And what did you noticied vs the original GTO .39.09 BIOS ?

Where can you get what ?
The 5.71.22.39.09 BIOS should be default for your GTO card. Or if you mean the modified version, PM me and I'll email it to you, I'm still testing it right now, for the past week.
12-03-2006, 10:38 AM
electronpn

I think its a board........or CPU ???????????????????

Hi ! I have MSI NX7900GTO-T2D512E (flashed 7900GTX bios) 690/800 but my results are:
3DMark03 20100
3DMark05 9060

With the stock bios results were at 690/750 max stable
3DMark03 20600
3DMark05 9160

So looks like I gained nothing with 7900GTX bios but it doesent matter. I wonder:
Why do I get those results at the first time (stock bios) when your results are much much better.

PC I have : Gigabyte GA-K8NF-9-RH
AMD Athlon 3000 Venice 244x9 (2.20 MHz)
Kingston 512 cl 2.5 PC3200
Corsair 512 cl 2.5 PC3200
MSI GeForce 7900GTO (flashed GTX) 512MB 690/800
HDD WD 120 & 160 IDE 8MB
Samsung CD/RW & DVD/RW
Floppy Sony
Chieftec 420W
Modem Lucent 56K -----

P.S. I red something that it might be board like it has slower PCI-E. What do you think folks. Thanks in advance !!!
12-03-2006, 10:58 AM
Zeus

Your rather lowly clocked CPU might be the big bottleneck. ;)
12-03-2006, 02:10 PM
electronpn

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Originally Posted by Zeus

Your rather lowly clocked CPU might be the big bottleneck. ;)

Well thanks for the hint. It undoubtedly helped about 3dmark05 but for 3dmark03 not a bit. I'll see if it'll make any difference when I get ASUS A8N-E. Thanks anyway...... Regards from Balkan :)
12-03-2006, 02:52 PM
Alexandrus

Actually, the GTO BIOS has tighter memory timmings, so that's why the lower clock with the stock BIOS, while the GTX BIOS allow for the RAM to go higher.
12-04-2006, 02:05 AM
electronpn

I wont think about it anymore

The difference will be that the memory timings are slightly different, the GTO mainly uses more strict timings and therefore the memory is acting a bit quicker resulting in better performance but less able to overclock. So I found out that bios v.39.09 is better in overclocking....so I flashed it and I gets 690/810. My stock bios v39.15 is very poor one in overclocking. Who gets that bios let change to v.39.09. All that makes a little difference because main problem is CPU for sure. But when you start playing the game you had played before you got GTO, everything becomes immaterial. "So get your brain back to your game" :))))))))) Thanks a lot folks..............Regards from Balkan !!!
12-04-2006, 02:52 AM
jVIDIA

With GTX bios I could only OC to 740 in mem ! But with the .09 GTO bios from Alexandrus I get 896 in autodetect !!!!! and can reach 960 w/artifacts !!!! INCREDIBLE ! :D
12-04-2006, 03:08 PM
SnipeR²

hi all, this is my first post here. been following this thread for a while tho so i decided to register so i can get some assistance :D. i got my GTO running at 722/1630 on stock everything. i would like to try the bios that Alexandrus modified. is it for the MSI or Evga model. i have the Evga model. thanks in advance! i really like the idea of getting the performance of a $400+ card after spending ~$250 :D
12-04-2006, 04:51 PM
Alexandrus

It's for any GTO card, so if your stock BIOS can go as high as 1630MHz on RAM, go ahead and try it, but it won't make much difference I think, you already have quite nice locks for a stock GTO, especially on the core.
12-04-2006, 05:06 PM
SnipeR²

ok no probs. where do i find the bios file? or ur gonna send that to me in a pm....

*EDIT*i found the bios u posted. it works really well. got a few mhz on the mem and on the core. what are the timings of the mem in ur bios?
12-09-2006, 05:35 PM
booZzter

hmm.. i've read all the posts, but still dont have a clear mind on this matter:
is flashing bios is enough to set mem voltage as on GTX cards, or do i have to voltmod anyway???
12-09-2006, 05:42 PM
higgins

Quote:

Originally Posted by booZzter

hmm.. i've read all the posts, but still dont have a clear mind on this matter:
is flashing bios is enough to set mem voltage as on GTX cards, or do i have to voltmod anyway???

you have to voltmod to change the voltage.
12-09-2006, 05:45 PM
booZzter

thanx higgins)
so only good from flashing bios is using it as SLI with other GTX?
12-11-2006, 02:03 AM
jVIDIA

Quote:

Originally Posted by booZzter

thanx higgins)
so only good from flashing bios is using it as SLI with other GTX?

:up:
12-11-2006, 12:02 PM
\/ENDE][A

Has anyone used johnnyliu3377`s bios (the one coolaler used to flash to GTX).
He got good results with it. How is it different to stock bios?
12-11-2006, 12:23 PM
Alexandrus

If you read the topic you will find out. GTX has different memory timmings.
12-11-2006, 01:55 PM
lawrywild

Quote:

Originally Posted by \/ENDE][A

Has anyone used johnnyliu3377`s bios (the one coolaler used to flash to GTX).
He got good results with it. How is it different to stock bios?

Yes, I use it, it's the same as any other 7900GTX bios though
12-12-2006, 12:24 AM
zeeke

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnipeR²

hi all, this is my first post here. been following this thread for a while tho so i decided to register so i can get some assistance :D. i got my GTO running at 722/1630 on stock everything. i would like to try the bios that Alexandrus modified. is it for the MSI or Evga model. i have the Evga model. thanks in advance! i really like the idea of getting the performance of a $400+ card after spending ~$250 :D

The reason ur maxing out at 722 is that at that point the geometric core clock is clocked @ 769mhz (stock Bios, delta 50). next step (core 723) will push the geometric core to "jump" to 780+ mhz.

If you want to get a better core clock you could try a bios with less delta. My cards (have 2) both max out the geometric core around ~775 and the shader core around 765 with vcore 1.65V.

Try a delta 0 bios and find your max shader clock, then change the delta settings so you max out both shader and geometric core. This way you gain the most from your card.

As for the memory clock, its not that bad for a stock cooler. If you want to clock it higher just do one of the Vmem mods, Ive tried both and they seems to work just fine. Memory also seem to scale really good with voltage. One of my card max out @ 880 with 1.98V and the other @ 845 same volt.

GL
12-12-2006, 08:20 PM
SnipeR²

how do i find the max on the geometric & shader core? or can i just use ur bios?
12-13-2006, 12:22 AM
zeeke

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnipeR²

how do i find the max on the geometric & shader core? or can i just use ur bios?

Well, since you hit that 722 wall Id say that you already know the max of your geometric core (769-something), now you just need to try a delta 0 bios and see where the shader core max is.

Just DL nibitor and edit your own bios with that. If you want to check the current clocks of your cores theres a analysis tool in RivaTuner.

Id give you my bios but I have the MSI 7900GTO and Im not sure it will work with your brand of card.
12-13-2006, 06:26 AM
SnipeR²

yep it'll work. the bios im running right now is from an msi card. got it from Alexandrous.
12-13-2006, 06:41 AM
jVIDIA

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnipeR²

the bios im running right now is from an msi card. got it from Alexandrous.

Same here and it rules :clap:
12-13-2006, 07:37 AM
Alexandrus

The BIOS has no Delta and it clocks very well so far, no performance drops due to lack of delta, if only I could make it to display GTX instead of GT/GTO in Windows ;)
12-13-2006, 01:27 PM
SnipeR²

so that means im already running maxed out then? cuz im using ur bios as well. also, the day u get it to display as GTX could u sent it to me plz? :D thanks....
12-14-2006, 03:48 PM
electronpn

91.47 driver and 39.09 bios convinced me to be a great mix at this moment.
01-19-2007, 04:39 AM
Firky

Hey guys

i made my own bios for my GTO's and im runing 700/1700 stock every thing. any tips on how to get the core faster? .. i tried to pencil mod my mem it worked grate at 1900mhz but the jump from 3D to 2D clock confused the card. lots of blanking on the desktop after running fine in game.
01-22-2007, 01:31 AM
SnipeR²

holy crap!!! 1900MHz?!!! that's really good! exactly what changes have u made to ur bios?
03-13-2007, 02:34 PM
Peter949

Sorry to bring this up again....was wondering what was the best way to oc the gto....I read thru the thread a little.
03-16-2007, 04:54 AM
TiN_

Oced MSI 7900GTO to 720\825 art/free with stock volts, stock cooling at 50%.
Vmem reads : 1.832V
BIOS from MSI 7900GTX.
Going to vmod GPU to 1.625V and mem to 1.925V
04-24-2007, 08:18 AM
Ancient1

The Resurrection :D

I have eVGA GTO . 91.47 drivers, ...39.13 Bios (original).

Benchmark results from the net with GTX convinced me that any Vmod is not worth the effort/risk : the memory speed/bandwidth , which is the only diff , comes to play at hi-res . at 2048 the GTX outperforms stock GTO by 16% AT MOST.
I replaced the mem thermal pads with copper spacers and AS3. AS5 on GPU.
Basically same OC , only 685/730 Together .
Temps 44-45 Idle (ambient 21.5C ) reaching 71 under 3Dmark06 LOOPS. a bit too high..
(They were 38/58 in winter, and I made some changes in case cooling so, I working on the issue)

3Dmark06 v1.1 (my C2D 2240 / 800 4-4-4-12) , NV 91.47 :

BASE STOCK
3DMark : 5800
SM2.0 : 2489
HDR/SM3 : 2338
CPU : 1898

Max Stable OC
3DMark : 6130
SM2.0 : 2645
HDR/SM3 : 2510
CPU : 1922
+330 pts to score . ~5%

I decided to OC all the time as the samsung BJ11 mem is UNDERVOLTED , and better cooled i.e no wear and tear . and GPU is OCed on demand.

I'm considering loosening mem timings with niBitor . But flashing experimental BIOS is always risky and not as easily recoverable as with Motherboard BIOS.

A friend with 8800GTX 768Mb. scores 12000-13000 ( OC dependant). X2 ! .

So, its best to wait for actual DX10 results.
At the moment the card is great at any game with res ranges I usually use on my 19" CRT.

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