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I hear ya. My MSI/E6400 is arriving on Friday and I thought my Team Xtreem ram would also be here this week but I just found out it won't be here till Tuesday the 11th.:mad: So I got desperate and lucky as Newegg just got GSkill 2x512 6400HZ sticks back in stock with 2 day delivery should allow me to mess around with the new setup over the weekend.Quote:
Originally Posted by dogsx2
I'll make sure I post lots of pics and benches.
dogsx2 - no screenies yet as I've only had it running a few hours and have been looking for a way to get past the multipliers being locked. At 10X how exciting could it be. I can tell ya that the board is extremely stable @ 3.6 with a 1.37 vcore, it took 1.485 on the DS3 to reach the same clock. As well as the north bridge is extremely cool to the touch, 'bout 12 degrees cooler that the DS3 at the speed.
I'm currently testing on air with the stock cooler so I don't know where it will top out with decent cooling....
That sounds good.:toast: Which bios are you using?Quote:
Originally Posted by pcdoc1
I had zero luck with the DS3 so I'm hoping this board will treat me right.
Any word on if this board will support the 7950GX2?
I saw someone running a gx2 on it...I then bought the board and card thinking it should work. Then i checked nvidias website and it says it wont work...oh :banana::banana::banana::banana:.
Using the shipping bios 7.00. I flashed 7.11 and saw no changes so I went back to 7.00...
It's dual priming now and I'm gonna let that run 'till morning. If all is well, I'll get it under so so water and start hammering it tomorrow...
In your sig you have the gx2. Are you using it with the board now?Quote:
Originally Posted by killercho
I just cancelled my order for those parts...I was scared for a sec because I dont think the gx2 is compatible with that mobo...Now i have to pic an new mobo, ram and cpu cooler. :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by shawn1998
man i been asking for pics since the first person got theres but they like to ignore me:(Quote:
Originally Posted by dogsx2
i should also have mine friday/saturday along with my 66
if we dont have ss by then i will take like 100 pics
I'm installing windows on it right now, using an 805 until Fri. when I get my
E6600. Anyone try OC'ing with the Dual Core Center yet?
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Originally Posted by pcdoc1
You saw no changes, so you downgraded? WTF?
Yea it sucked for me. The voltages wouldn't change when i tried to change them and only allows for max FSB of 280. Stick to bios and clockgen.Quote:
Originally Posted by kman540
Make sure you make a separate thread and post 56K warning on it. Use thumbnails for that many.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gun_Strife
Coolaler has lots of pictures in his thread.
My digital camra isn't the best. A few crappy pics is better than no pics at all right?
http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/7528/msi1hp5.jpg
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/4301/msi2cm4.jpg
http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/3706/msi3gj8.jpg
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/1729/msi4rl9.jpg
http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/924/msi5es6.jpg
http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/5706/msi6rs0.jpg
I know the pics don't exactly capture a good picture of the board, but I was running the system while I took the pics so I didn't have time to do any wire management. I will post better images later when I clean up the case.
I posted some on Page 1 :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gun_Strife
I couldn't get Dual Core Center to run... Also the PCAlert utility continued to report CPU temps @ 178C and wanted to shutdown the box. Speedfan was the only choice I could find and I don't think it's accurately reporting temps.Quote:
Originally Posted by kman540
Opps! Double clutch... :)
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Originally Posted by pcdoc1
PC Alert saying im running bettween 120-180C and also wants me to shut down my system. Speed fan shows a bunch of random sensors and none of them look like cpu. Dual core Center runs fine on my system, however I only use it for viewing voltages and temps.
I posted some above too :cool:. Yours was stolen from coolaler. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sumanji
Anyone know if clockgen works on this mobo? With locked multi the best I can do without adding to much voltage is 3.6ghz using 1.52 volts. I'm using a Koolance cpu300 cooler and temps hit 60 when I'm working her. My ram is running at 902mhz and overall this setup is killer for a gaming rig;) I didn't take to many pics of the mobo, I mean it looks like the one on NewEggs site:rolleyes: Will be back with some pics...
Why in the hell does this mobo want to set up my DVD drive (located on IDE2) in raid everytime I boot? It says to press any key to continue, I don't press anything, then it continues on to Windows. Mobo still boots faster than my DFI, but if I can figure out how to bypass or shut that off it would be better.
Well then you're in the position as I, guess we need to improve our cooling... LOL
Nah, the chip can take up to 85 before it throttles. I would say 60 under full load is fine:cool:
I couldn't get clockgen to work... And on the pics, I thought everyone already knew what it looked like...Quote:
Originally Posted by rodman
I couldn't find a way to kill the "press any key thing" except to turn off the controller, of course no opticals then... :)
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Originally Posted by rodman
Clockgen works fine for me, using ICS 9541. Problem is sometimes clockgen can't detect my PLL, after a restart its fixed...
EDIT: Here is how i got clockgen to work. I went into MSCONFIG and removed all the extra MSI programs like Digicell and dual core center. When I started windows I opened clockgen and it was able to detect my PLLs, choose ICS 954148 and you should be able to clock.
what about crystalCPUID...that has the ability to lower multi's, doesn't it?
Pics
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/1...ture001yo8.jpg
http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/6...ture002mu2.jpg
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it appears that the 975X Platinum bios is not ready for prime time!...cpu frequency reported as 900 mhz...Sheezit!
this board was on my short list...i am not sure anymore.
I think I can deal with a few number quirks. Lets see some max FSB though! :woot:
Thats what im sayin. Im looking ds3 or this, if the price is under $200. But i want to order by sunday, cause im going on vacation and would love to comeback to a house full of presents. :D
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Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
What bios are they using? I know when I get mine Friday, I will flash to the 711 as Coolaler said that was the one to use.
If the little bit your reading here scares you off, which board have you only seen good things on?
There’s bound to be some bugs that’ll get worked out in time, haven’t seen any conroe boards without ‘em….Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
understand..but that 900 mhz is a big one in my book!...it means the code is not interpolating the cpu correctly...when you have that, it means nothing but trouble with stability!
well yea i know what it looks like but i love to see it
and wanted to also see some in windows shots like 3dmark, high fsb, high cpu clock
thanks rodamn:thumbsup:
and well things should hopefully be fixed soon with new bios(hopefully)
What does C1E function do?
think its this
C1E enhanced halt state — Introduced in the Pentium 4 500J-series processors, the C1E halt state replaces the old C1 halt state used on the Pentium 4 and most other x86 CPUs. The C1 halt state is invoked when the operating system's idle process issues a HLT command. (Windows does this constantly when not under a full load.) Entering halt state, which is a lower-power state, will cut a CPU's power consumption and heat production. Intel's new C1E halt state is also invoked by the HLT command, but it turns down the entire CPU's clock frequency (via multiplier control) and voltage in order to work its mojo. This more robust halt state requires significantly less power than the old C1 implementation.
Here are some my test results:
3DMark 2001SE
http://img93.imageshack.us/img93/702...01selo6.th.jpg
3DMark 2003
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/3...2003cs4.th.jpg
3DMark 2005
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/4...2005ik2.th.jpg
3DMark 2006
http://img92.imageshack.us/img92/190...2006hg0.th.jpg
SuperPi 1MB
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5...i1mbie9.th.jpg
SuperPi 32MB
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/6...32mbmh6.th.jpg
Aquamark
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/4...markcg4.th.jpg
Cinebench 2003
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/4...2003is0.th.jpg
nice 4n70n
have you tried any higher fsb at ur 7x multi and it wont let you drop the multi to 6
also did u update bios or use what it shipped with, if u did update how did u flash it, which method
i already update the bios to ver 711. when came to me, the board shipped with bios ver 700.
My method to update is using hard disk which only can boot to dos. My bootable hdd only contains dos 6.22
I couldn't get it to run either. I'm at work now, but I was getting an unhandled exception message.
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Originally Posted by pcdoc1
I shoud be getting my MSI PowerUP Edition/E6300 by next Wed. I will have some screenies posted up as well as OC and benchmark results.
This board still hit a 400FSB wall with the 4mb L2 Conroes?
How about the chipset? It's passively cooled, how hot does it get? I wonder what people can get with active cooling on the NB...
nice very nice wish you had e6600 but i suppose i will find out soon enoughQuote:
Originally Posted by 4n70n
ive never heard of flashing bios that way, do you just use an old drive and load dos on it then what
also your english is great
No MCH voltage control :(.
Ok so have we come to a verdict yet on FSB?
So far I've heard people complain because they can't go over 400 FSB, others complaining because they can't even get close to a 400 FSB, and others who are hitting 425 FSB. Coolaler was hitting very high FSB with this board so I find it hard to believe that it ios the boards fault.
I'm tempted to think that the issues people are having are not board related but either running the wrong BIOS version or not setting things correctly.
This board seems very nice so I'm waiting on some concrete proof here. We need to figure out why some are having issues and some are not so taht we can find the truth about this board.
I am getting my MSI board on monday and will do some experimenting monday night. I have also bought a Thermalright HR-05 northbridge cooler with a 70mm fan so we will see if I can get better FSB results. my goal is 450FSBX8(E6400)= 3.6Ghz.Quote:
Originally Posted by 5-Clicks
I don't mind the no multiplier because 8X is perfect for 400-450FSB. I have Corsair 6400C3 kit so I think I can manage those speeds easily. But you never know.
4n70n, keep the information coming. I have a list already of what to do to get the best OC out of this board. I appreciate all the information.
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Originally Posted by JayG30
For me, the only reason I can't clock my PD950 too high is because of my temp problems. Im hitting 70c with stupid 1.4v already... So far the highest FSB iv done is 360x12. With some new thermal paste (getting it today) I should be able to push this farther. I havn't got my Conroe yet so I have no idea how that clocks.
Ok I *NEED* to ask this so I hope someone can reply......
Will this motherboard allow multiplier adjustment on an X6800 EE ??
If not, then I just wasted $1,000 if I got that CPU........
To 11 until they fix the bios. That's part of the reason Coolaler quit using it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Falkentyne
What other comments does coolaler have on this boarD? How did he get such high clocks on a conroe while everyone else with this board is getting nowhere near where he got?Quote:
Originally Posted by dogsx2
Why don't we all bagger MSI tech support with questions about unlocking multipliers and hopefully they will implement it in the next bios?
can someone tell me how to turn off C1E?
VMCH is controlled via VPCIEQuote:
Originally Posted by cupholder2.0
Heres a nice little OCX discussion with Kyosen and OPB about it. ;)
http://www.ocxtreme.org/forumenus/showthread.php?t=2223
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Originally Posted by cupholder2.0
he probably had an ES chip which clocks very well...not all ES chips overclock very well but a majority do!
you, myself and others got caught up in the frenzy over the extreme performance of the ES chips that showed up here in this forum....you have to remember that these guys are savy system builders...they are experts in getting every ounce out of the chip...they are using the best air coolers along with some cherry picked memory and possiblly, boards.
the other thing that has probably affected the overclocking overhead is the new B2 stepping...my understanding is that intel had to make a correction to the cpu structure for Raid 5 high cpu utilization...that small change might have put a limit on the chips output compared to the ES samples.
have you tried any of the software programs that allow multi-change, like CrystalCPUID?...it might not work if the multiplier is locked but give it a shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScottFern
Has anyone with a retail chip got it to change mutlis? I can change multi but mine is ES PD950. I am pretty sure this is simply a small bios problem which is just hiding the option to change mutlis when it detects that the chip is retail. If we all keep bugging MSI about this, maybe their next bios updates will fix this.
Bios 7.00 miss-reports clock speed on boot and in the Bios “System Information”
If you update to 7.11 with command line switches and over write the boot block, it screws the ide controller. The only solution is to do a complete re-write 7.00 and then come back with 7.11.
If you have an optical on the ide 2, the controller displays the device name but also says there are no drives attached. Moving the optical to ide 1 fixes the problem.
The mem multiplier seems to be hosed, on auto it correctly sets 1:1 but often displays the wrong speed. Move it off auto and manually set 1:1 and the board won’t post until you power off and restart. Move to 1:1.25 and again you have to power off to get it to accept the change. Once you post at 1:1.25 (which in my case 438fsb), then it will continue to work fine as long as you power off on each shutdown. Try to just restart from Windows and it will fail, you have to power down.
PC Alert reports screwed up temps, CPU @ 178C in my case. Dual Core Center doesn’t function at all. I haven’t found anything to use temporary as an alternative. Some people have reported Dual Core Center working but I don’t think they were running conroes.
As previously discussed, there are no downward multipliers. Memory tweaking is almost non-existent, they only options are CAS Latency, RAS to CAS delay, RAS Precharge, and TRAS.
This is just a short list of what I’m seeing so far. Others may not be having these problems. Although it becomes somewhat of a wrestling match, once you get it setup the board extremely stable and fast, but I don’t think they’ll be any WR’s set here… :)
pcdoc1, what's your max FSB?
You forgot one thing, Coolaler is very much a world class overclocker. So far he's shown me he's right at the top of the list. Others top clockers get the goodies like he does also but with Conroe so far he is in the top two maybe three clockers in spi.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
Ya gotta love old men.:D
I got the board hoping MSI will do something with the bios and I will have a fast stable board that I could drop a Kentsfield in.
I never thought it was a top board or Coolaler would have used it instead of the BX board.
It only cost $179 shipped so I am happy so far.
If he can't drop the multi, it sure can't be much with a 10 x unlessQuote:
Originally Posted by 5-Clicks
he's on Xtreem cooling.
I got up today and my monitor says "no connection" I power on and the FSB set itself back to stock:confused: I think i may get rid of this board and get a Badaxe:rolleyes:
geez!...what a waste!!!:mad:
you use world class...i use savy, and expert!Quote:
Originally Posted by dogsx2
my understanding is that the 975X is best with Allendale and Conroe...the 965 chipset is designed for Conroe and Kentsfield!Quote:
Originally Posted by dogsx2
Are you running into any problems after a bad oc, where the board won't power up for a while. The :banana: :banana: :banana: :banana: ing thing is just sitting there collecting dust. Last night I had to pull the battery and I got it going again. On one hand this board may be 1 or 3 bios's away from being kick ass, and on the other hand maybe they should've named it
PowerDown edition.
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Originally Posted by rodman
If people send MSI enough emails about this problem they will have to fix the bios sooner or later. Obviously this board has huge OC potential as Coolaler proved but the early bugs need to be fixed beforehand if this is to be a successful product. This board v.2 hasnt been out hardly more than a week. Mine along with dozens of others are coming in next week. There will be plenty others who come across problems just as with the other conroe boards in their first couple weeks.
:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
Bios - Advanced Bios Features - CPU Features - C1E - Disabled
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Originally Posted by Core2Extremist
You guys are starting to scare me about this mobo! :(
I'm still going to wait for some more people to come up with results... 2 or 3 snippets of screens aren't enough to completely sway my opinion :para:
For whatever reason the board left the cpu voltage at 1.52 after the FSB reset thing. Now I can not get the voltage down from 1.52..Now this board is scaring me:D
The stepping 6 B2 seems to be what i consider, the problem plaguing all of these boards. Whatever intel did to correct the raid 5 problem, screwed us OC wise.. lets hope another core revisions hits the processors soon, or we all will have mediocore oc's on any 975x board. :(
Its not just conroes, my PD950 sucks at OC on this board (5.1 Ghz tops and Now i can't even make it there). My friends P4 630 wouldn't get past 3.97. We need some bios updates to fix these bugs. Sometimes the board OCs well, and other times it craps out...seems like a buggy bios to me.
Can you guys tell me about MSI 975X PE "FSB & Memory Clock Ratio" ?
I can't understand what is : 1:1, 1:1.25, 1:1,33, 1:1,66, 1:2.
I just choose 1:1 because as i knows that my memory will run 1:1 to FSB Freq..
Correct me if i am wrong
Of course with a new revsion most us still have to eat this problem, they certainly won't replace our chips...Quote:
Originally Posted by Haltech
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Originally Posted by 4n70n
Its just the ratio bettween the CPU FSB and ram freq. For example, lets say your running 1:2. and you CPU FSB was 200, than your ram will run at 400. If you were running at 1.66, it would just be 200x1.66 to get the ram frequency.
Note that becuase it is DDR its 2 times the ram frequency. So if you were running 200 FSB x 2 = 400 Mhz you would take 400x2 for the effecetive speed. Im pretty sure I am right on this stuff, someone correct me if I am wrong.
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Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue
what is so funny?:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by dogsx2
Ok..i get it....thanks for your explanation...:toast:Quote:
Originally Posted by cupholder2.0
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Originally Posted by 4n70n
np :)
So I got tired of the stupid overheating from my Presler 950D. So I lapped it along with my Big Typhoon and added a fresh coat of Shin Etsu thermal compound.
Here are the changes:
PD 950 @ 3.4 Ghz 200x17 stock settings
Before lapping + New Thermal Compound
Idle:54C
Full load: 76C
After Lapping + New Thermal Compound
Idle: 37C
Full load: 45C
I still gotta wire manage, which will probably improve temps even more. Lapping is definatly worth it!
Anyway I now have a different problem with my board. Even though I can make it pretty easily to 4.5 Ghz - 5.2 Ghz + on my PD950 the board needs massive amounts of voltages to stablize at those clocks. To do 4.5 Ghz it took me 1.53Vcore, 2.4 mem Voltage and 1.7 vmch. Is this normal or what? My Intel D955XBK never needed such high voltages to be stable at 4.5 Ghz.
Because i don't have any monitoring temp...i use Core Temp
PCMark 2005
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4...2005qg0.th.jpg
SuperPi 1MB
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/2...i1mbkz6.th.jpg
SuperPi 32MB
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/5...32mbos9.th.jpg
My average temp is from 37 - 40C
using vcore at 1.4 and vdimm 2.2
Thanks, 4n70n!
Hey, what's your chipset temp? Is it burning to the touch?
what is normal for one user won't necessarily be correct for you..i say..if you feel comfortable and it is stable, go with it!Quote:
Originally Posted by cupholder2.0
Great question! We need to know! Thanks 4n70n!Quote:
Originally Posted by 5-Clicks
So 420 fsb is the highest stable oc you have been able to reach? Or do you think with a litttle more vcore you could get higher?Quote:
Originally Posted by 4n70n
the chipset temp is not high....i can touch it....only warm.....:banana:
I dunno if i can push more with current timing memory....my timing is 4-4-4-8. I can reach FSB 425 with 4-4-4-8 but not stable...
Maybe if i loose timing a little, i can push more...
Well either way that is a pretty good overclock. So everything is for the most part glitch free in terms of the Bios showing correct information? I hope so as my MSI 975X/E6300 will be here next WED.
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Originally Posted by mdavis166
Pretty sure yes. My bios atleast shows all information correctly.
Ok, so the chipset is "warm"...and there is no vMCH, correct?
Ok, so I just got this keyboard but the keyboard port is messed up.
the computer boots up and gives me a error saying keyboard not connected. I can't get into bios / boot into windows.
I have a USB keyboard but I can't enable it in the bios :P
Is there a jumper or something that enables usb devices by default on the msi board?
Correct....there is no vMCH...Quote:
Originally Posted by 5-Clicks
I am starting to wonder if my purchase of the Thermalright Northbridge cooler was a good idea???? Dunno if I should install it or not?
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Originally Posted by ScottFern
My northbridge is pretty cool (Comparing with my older Intel 945G). I really don't think you will need such a cooler. But extra cooling can't hurt right? :D
My Northbridge is not that hot at all.
4n70n Which BIOS version are you using? Also Did you disable EIST (speedstep) and C1E in the BIOS?
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Originally Posted by 4n70n
Sounds like the BIOS is what's holding this board back. No vMCH, things not being detected, settings not sticking or getting stuck, heck it's the same BIOS that coolaler was using with his ES (?) board! No vMCH would explain why the chipset doesn't get hot...and it's probably the reason why we haven't seen higher than 425FSB in this thread.
Honestly all I need out of this board would be a FSB of 425. With my E6400 that would put me at 3.4 which is exactly what I want it to run at for a 24/7 machine. The ability to do more then that is just icing on the cake for me.
4n70n I might have missed this but what RAM are you running and what did you decide to set your "FSB & Memory Clock Ratio" at? I'm interested in the performance of your RAM.
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Originally Posted by JayG30
With a new bios it will do even better :woot: .
Only if they fix what we've mentioned in this thread (vMCH, vcore, RAM options, etc.)Quote:
Originally Posted by cupholder2.0
Here is MSI's international contact info:
http://msicomputer.co.uk/contact.aspx
Lets get them phones ringing!
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Originally Posted by 5-Clicks
I will do the same. If we all complain they will have to sooner or later fix. Anyway what Vcore, VDIMM are you guys running? Doesn't it feel like this board wants more voltages for a given frequency than other boards? Or is that just me?
We should make a list of specific problems with the board so we can just email/call them and inform MSI.
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