AMD Newark 3700+ @ 3105.1MHz Air-Cooled

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02-10-2006, 08:48 AM
vector7

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Originally Posted by beta67

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vector7 is your CPU overclocked through BIOS or do you do it in Windows?
If overclocked through BIOS, don't you get a lot of DETECTING ARRAY bootups?

:confused:
The UT250 from the bios doesn't have booting up issues...
02-16-2006, 05:02 AM
metalman2785

3.33 @ 1.58v with my new watercooling settup, this chip may still have some more to give.

http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/5920/3334xu.png
02-21-2006, 05:41 PM
cmay119

In all these CPU-Z screenies, I see that the 4000+ are SH8-E5 Revision chips. I thought the 4000+ moved to SH8-E6? Forgive my ignorance, but I thought the revision denoted the memory controller as well, so maybe I'm way off on this... Thanks for any input on this.
02-21-2006, 06:03 PM
ozzimark

nope, newarks have always been SH-E5.. basically the s754 version of DH-E4 ;)

(something makes me think SH = single channel, DH = dual channel :p:)
02-21-2006, 06:07 PM
cmay119

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozzimark

nope, newarks have always been SH-E5.. basically the s754 version of DH-E4 ;)

(something makes me think SH = single channel, DH = dual channel :p:)

Really? In a way, then I'm very happy to hear that. I always thought AMD realized the issue (finicky about timings and actual module size) with the E5 Memory controller, and wen't to E6 for the 4000+.

Thanks for the input Ozzi, and yes, I think you're right about the SH / DH thing, atleast it makes quite a bit of sense when you think about it.
02-22-2006, 06:59 AM
ozzimark

hehe, yeah :D

also, a lot of the "finickiness" that the memory controller has ended up being MAL/RP related from what i could tell. just make sure you have optimal values for them, and you should be good to go. i found that the 6/23 bios from dfi really helped out on the dfi nf3-250gb board. not sure if there's a newer one because both my newark and dfi are long gone now, haven't checked. :(
02-22-2006, 09:55 AM
metalman2785

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Originally Posted by beta67

Nice scores metalman and vector7, but at what speed are your chips OCCT stable and prime95 small ftts 8hour+ stable?

I have burned too much money on flashy CPUs that do 3 ghz screenshots but arent stable above 2700 for everyday use.. :(

My chip is Prime stable at 3.18 ghz, SP32M stable up to 3.22 ghz.

Looks like Newegg is out of the 4000+ Newark :eek:
02-24-2006, 10:23 AM
cmay119

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Originally Posted by ozzimark

hehe, yeah :D

also, a lot of the "finickiness" that the memory controller has ended up being MAL/RP related from what i could tell. just make sure you have optimal values for them, and you should be good to go. i found that the 6/23 bios from dfi really helped out on the dfi nf3-250gb board. not sure if there's a newer one because both my newark and dfi are long gone now, haven't checked. :(

I'm sorry, what are MAL/RP values? Is that an actual timing in the bios I can change, and if so what are some good values for stability? Thanks Ozzi. :)
02-24-2006, 10:58 AM
steelballzz

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Originally Posted by massman

where the hell should I find a newark in Europe :D

still waiting here also
i cant find any newarks available in europe
any imput would be great
02-25-2006, 03:56 PM
ozzimark

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmay119

I'm sorry, what are MAL/RP values? Is that an actual timing in the bios I can change, and if so what are some good values for stability? Thanks Ozzi. :)

max async latency and read preamble ;)
02-25-2006, 06:43 PM
aldamon

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Originally Posted by metalman2785

3.33 @ 1.58v

Is that all you can give her?

Quote:

Originally Posted by metalman2785

Looks like Newegg is out of the 4000+ Newark :eek:

Monarch's got 'em:

http://www.monarchcomputer.com/Merch...&AFFIL=pg&NR=1

Does anyone want to buy my naked 3700+ Claw? :) I just bought a Raptor so I can't afford the Newark outright.
02-25-2006, 08:08 PM
cmay119

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Originally Posted by ozzimark

max async latency and read preamble ;)

Thanks Ozzi. I know it's been a while since you've had this chip, but do you have any recommendations for those two timings? Although clocks are important to me, if I can get this thing to boot almost every time I'll be a very happy camper. :)

I'll probably fiddle around with those settings tonight to see what seems to work best...

Thanks again. :)
02-26-2006, 08:34 AM
ozzimark

hmm, it depends a lot on the fsb's your running.. i found that while i couldn't go tighter than the optimal setting, i couldn't boot up reliably too much looser either. maybe it's best to leave them on auto? i don't know :p:
02-26-2006, 08:49 AM
[cTx]Philosophy

Yah my Newark 3700 was a nice chip too, I got 3G on her before I cracked the core with 90C :(

Mine just didnt like these dam Patriot (supposedly ce-6) at all..
I tried just about every dam setting under the sun to no avail, so she had to go to make room for the current X2

but she was fun while she lasted
02-26-2006, 07:00 PM
cmay119

Quote:

Originally Posted by ozzimark

hmm, it depends a lot on the fsb's your running.. i found that while i couldn't go tighter than the optimal setting, i couldn't boot up reliably too much looser either. maybe it's best to leave them on auto? i don't know :p:

Yeah, I'm set at 10ns for MAL and 7ns for Read Preamble...
I set MAL to 15ns and RP to 10, and the board would refuse to post. So, I then cleared CMOS, and set the MAL to 10 and RP to 5. With this setting I couldn't get past the "Detecting RAID Screen" and finally set RP to 7 which is allowing the board to boot. I've had these values set for about 3 months prior to testing different settings. So far it seems like they are the most stable.

Thanks for the help. :)
02-26-2006, 07:34 PM
ozzimark

usually around 6ns to 8ns will be optimal for MAL, with tighter being better for lower mhz..
RP, i haven't really found a good guideline for that, but 4.5ns - 6ns is a good range... more dependant on memory speed in my experience, but not always.
03-01-2006, 07:07 PM
cmay119

Hey Ozzi, just wanted to say thanks for the input about the MAL/RP timings. I've now set them to auto as they were just too sensitive of timings that one value off was the difference between stability and utter reboot/BSOD chaos.

I've now just set them to auto and the board seems to pick out really good values for it as stability is really good right now. Just wanted to thank you for the help, as I would've never known that those two timings were a large influence on my stability. :)
03-01-2006, 07:17 PM
WeStSiDePLaYa

how much is the cheapest newark?
03-01-2006, 07:38 PM
cmay119

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Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa

how much is the cheapest newark?

Although shentech is out of stock right now. They are offering the 3400+ Newark for $180.00 + s/h.
03-02-2006, 11:19 AM
ozzimark

Quote:

Originally Posted by WeStSiDePLaYa

how much is the cheapest newark?

Mobile AMD Athlon™ 64 Processor
For Full-Size Notebooks Price
4000+ $307
3700+ $243
3400+ $170
3200+ $159
3000+ $115

http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/...l?redir=CPT301

if you manage to spot a 3000+ newark.. ;)
but i think the 3400+ is still the lowest one that has newarks in it.
03-02-2006, 07:27 PM
cmay119

Hey guys, just recieved the TForce-6100 Board today, and I'm having trouble with my Newark. I can't get the Tforce to post with the newark however it will post with the E6 2800+ Sempron.

The newark is alive and well, becuase I plopped it right back into my DFI 250Gb and it booted up like a charm.

Are there any bios settings I should be aware of that could make this chippy not post? Thanks for any help guys. :)

EDIT: Alright, I just updated the bios on the 6100 to 2/07/06 bios from the shipped bios that was dated back in november of last year. Hopefully this will clear up the issue.

EDIT 2: Still no go. I've tried setting up the bios with the sempron for settings that would be more for what the newark would run, but I'm still not getting anywhere. No post beeps, just fans spin and LEDs on board light up...

EDIT 3: I notice in the BIOS that my Chipset or Northbridge voltage is at 1.13v-1.15v is that ample enough juice for this newark? What is it supposed to be running at again?

EDIT 4: Alright, I updated the BIOS to the latest one on the Taiwan site, and that allows my CPU to post.

One question for ya'll with this motherboard, can I run 1T Command Rate with 2x512 DIMMs on this motherboard? Thanks all.
03-03-2006, 06:50 AM
vector7

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmay119

Hey guys, just recieved the TForce-6100 Board today, and I'm having trouble with my Newark. I can't get the Tforce to post with the newark however it will post with the E6 2800+ Sempron.

The newark is alive and well, becuase I plopped it right back into my DFI 250Gb and it booted up like a charm.

An :off: question,

I too have been looking for a PCIE future home for this 4000+ Newark.
Has any newer strides been made to make the Epox 8NPA SLI more mobile friendly?
v7
03-03-2006, 06:54 AM
metalman2785

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmay119

One question for ya'll with this motherboard, can I run 1T Command Rate with 2x512 DIMMs on this motherboard? Thanks all.

I can run a 1T rate for 1M runs with my TCCD, but I need to use a 2T rate for 32M runs and 3D benching.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vector7

An :off: question,

I too have been looking for a PCIE future home for this 4000+ Newark.
Has any newer strides been made to make the Epox 8NPA SLI more mobile friendly?
v7

I was originally gonna use the Epox SLI board, but last I checked it is still not compatable with mobile chips :D
03-03-2006, 07:20 AM
vector7

Quote:

Originally Posted by metalman2785

I was originally gonna use the Epox SLI board, but last I checked it is still not compatable with mobile chips :D

You know I was going hit you with a PM as it looked as if you had all the moving parts coming together in your thread. Did you ever get a chance to boot it up?
03-03-2006, 07:59 AM
metalman2785

Quote:

Originally Posted by vector7

You know I was going hit you with a PM as it looked as if you had all the moving parts coming together in your thread. Did you ever get a chance to boot it up?

I sold the epox before I got my PCI-E card. I looked in a bunch of forums and found a thread in which that board would not work with a mobile chip. I am pretty sure the problem has to do with voltage, the epox uses a wierd voltage selection, it uses the startup voltage + up to .3v. So the Newark will have a startup voltage of 1.1v which means that there is basically no room for overclocking because it will max out at 1.4v.

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