Crysis 2 only DX9 - DX11 will be "later" with an update

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Originally Posted by orangekiwii

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Nope sprint in powermode is for sure not sprint in speed mode.
Sprint speed in crysis 2 is 1.8, this is the normal running speed in crysis 1 speed mode. Sprint speed in speed mode in crysis 1 is 2.775.

Mode: run/sprint

Speeds in crysis 2:
Power/Stealth Mode: 1.25/1.8
Armor Mode: 1.07/1.6

Speeds in crysis 1:
Armor/Strengh/Stealth: 1/1.5
Speed mode: 1.8/2.775

Hell they even thought about making stealth mode with 1/1.3 in crysis 2, the values are still in the config file.
So basically you run 0.1 faster in armor mode in crysis 2...

All in Crysis 2\gamecrysis2\Scripts\Entities\NanoSuit\NanoSuit.x ml for crysis 2 and Crysis 1 they are in Crytek\Crysis\Game\GameData.pak\Scripts\Entities\a ctor\BasicActor.lua and Crytek\Crysis\Game\Config\diff_xxx.cfg

So everything what you said is just wrong, Sprint in crysis 1 is faster then then runing in crysis 2 and sprint in speed mode in crysis 1 is faster then sprint in power mode in crysis 2.

@ armor mode, thats just what I said... new armor mode is noob mode and to compensate for that they added drain...

I played crysis 1 extensivly, I played the singel player alone 4 or 5 times thorugh, maybe do it again with some more mods. And played the multiplayer for several hundret hours (including mods).

I like it when people come with arguments:"but video shows", which basically means nothing. Especial since crysis 2 has a smaller fov which seems things to be faster... play crysis 1 and two with the same settings and you'll see how slow crysis 2 is.

Here is a video with evidence. Instead of just going on feeling they use in game units.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADcqe...eature=related - I saw a much better video a while back I'm trying to find it atm.

Here: poor testing methodology but its pretty clear the actual speeds are very similar despite perceptions http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6IkfmEEaRc&hd=1

Second the armor mode is less noob friendly. If you forget, which is entirely possible, you will die quite quickly. Online people rarely use armor mode indicating that its NOT a noob mode even in sp.

I played both with a FOV of 90 and I felt very little distance in runspeed/walkspeed.

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Originally Posted by Ket

Not childish at all, its a perfectly accurate description. If you prefer you may choose to substitute "Crysis 2 sucks balls" with any of the following;

• Crysis 2 is crap
• Crysis 2 sucks
• Crysis 2 is wholly inferior to Crysis or Warhead
• Crysis 2 is absolutely nothing like it was made out to be, it is not superior to Crysis or Warhead in any shape or form.

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i picked all 4... and sucks balls too...

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011...11/#more-56528

whats this?

That says it all.

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This comes via the official forums, wherein it was officially said on an official forum, despite being officially said on other official forums that it mightn’t happen.
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The denial was of the patch being released on the day that no patch was released, Crytek never said that no patch was never coming, just that no patch was confirmed for that day in March (if this makes sense).
John

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Originally Posted by orangekiwii

Here is a video with evidence. Instead of just going on feeling they use in game units.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADcqe...eature=related - I saw a much better video a while back I'm trying to find it atm.

Here: poor testing methodology but its pretty clear the actual speeds are very similar despite perceptions http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6IkfmEEaRc&hd=1

Second the armor mode is less noob friendly. If you forget, which is entirely possible, you will die quite quickly. Online people rarely use armor mode indicating that its NOT a noob mode even in sp.

I played both with a FOV of 90 and I felt very little distance in runspeed/walkspeed.

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All private videos sure makes your point stronger... and it doesn't matter what they measure or what they feel... the speed factors are given in the cfgs and they are absolute.

I like how you try to discredit hard evidence, by some vids that noone can watch... but yeah keep trying and keep deluding yourself. Repeating something wrong over and over again doesn't make it right, even if you do it a million times. :D

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Originally Posted by orangekiwii

I take issue to this. Not only is this your opinion you are supposing it is correct over everyone elses.


I for one completely disagree with your opinion. I am a pc gamer, I loathe consoles, and I often don't play games if they're generic or have unusable mousing schemes (if I can't get close to 1-to-1 movement in sub 30 minutes editing i'm not playing it).

Having recently played Crysis, Crysis Warhead, AND Crysis 2, I will say that I played Crysis 2 TWICE off the bat. It is the only game I can remember EVER having played twice right after completing it.

I downloaded the Rygel texture pack for crysis, Xtreme particle mod (XFX2 if you're interested) and used an extreme CFG/TOD config. I ran it on my 580 to the point of only getting like 40 ish average at 1920x1200 (most of the performance comes from the XFX2 pack which is heavily cpu bound). Even with these mods I think crysis 2 is far and away better looking.

Not only is the performance significantly better, models are better, animations are better, particles look great even in comparison to the XFX2 mod, maps are better (imo), AI is SIGNIFICANTLY better (play through crysis then play through crysis 2, Crysis 2 AI is far and away better compared to crysis), and the way you interface with the Nanosuit is much faster/more fluid and won't break immersion which could happen if you sometimes swiped your mouse in the wrong direction in crysis.

I love all 3 games (crysis warhead more than crysis) but you're making a mistake (arguably crytek did) in that you're comparing the games directly. These ARE NOT the same games. Play them... setting is different, maps are different, gameplay (except for cloak) is TOTALLY different.

If you evaluate Crysis 2 without the name crysis 2, you get a stellar game. High production values, great controls, great gameplay, amazing graphics (which look much better than crysis 1 imo even with mods).

However because they added Crysis 2 to the name (there are very few tie ins in the story like 2 - 3 tops) you instinctively compare it to the first crysis. Much like battlefield series and bad company. They're TOTALLY different balls of wax, yet DICE/EA decided to tag the battlefield moniker onto it for the sake of marketing it with an established brand. Crytek did the same and attached crysis to it when in reality it could have been a totally new game and lost no value (or make it a parallel game in the crysis universe).

I just find your supposition that your opinion is right where others are wrong distasteful. The simple fact that you are unwilling to even explain your opinions speaks to your immaturity and I would hope, for your sake, that you take the time to actually explain your opinions.

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As most of that (from what I read, scanned a couple lines and got the jist of the direction your post would take) is largely a rant / comparing apples to oranges / fanboy-esk in appearence, I'll summarise;

I don't assume my opinion to be correct. Its based on the general consensus; Crysis 2 is crap. Graphically and in level design its wholly inferior to Crysis or Warhead. Crysis 2 has been designed as a console kiddy game. Linear gameplay, no open level design, poor physics, christ, I've seen any number of walls in Crysis 2 that aren't even bump-mapped. I'll leave things there so my post doesn't turn into a rant. Heres hoping the DX11 patch will actually make Crysis 2 a PC game, because I'm not buying Crysis 2 until it does become a PC game.

For reference, here are some Crysis screenshots I randomly googled because I can't be arsed to install Crysis and whack everything up to enthusiast settings (which these screens aren't). Feel free to try and find some Crysis 2 screens that even look half as good.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...et/crysis2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...et/crysis1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...t/crysis-2.jpg

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

All private videos sure makes your point stronger... and it doesn't matter what they measure or what they feel... the speed factors are given in the cfgs and they are absolute.

I like how you try to discredit hard evidence, by some vids that noone can watch... but yeah keep trying and keep deluding yourself. Repeating something wrong over and over again doesn't make it right, even if you do it a million times. :D

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The videos weren't private when I linked them. It's unforunate they are no longer available. But just because the evidence isn't available doesn't mean it wasn't there or wasn't legit. Stop being so short sighted. I understand the cfgs are there... but theres no PROOF from yuo or anyone else that those variables ACTUALLY affect the game.

The guy above me - none of those are in game shots... you can find tons of shots like that. And your first image doesn't look good to me. The vegetation texture is mediocre, everything is green, modeling is poor, no distinction between anything. Go walk through a jungle or even outside and tell me if anything looks that bad. Crysis 2 has the same problem with vegetation... and considering ALL of crysis 1 is essentially vegetation it suffers from it much more. Try taking some of your own or actually playing the games. Also that was my point... crysis 1 and crysis 2 ARE apples-oranges... try reading.

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Originally Posted by Ket

For reference, here are some Crysis screenshots I randomly googled because I can't be arsed to install Crysis and whack everything up to enthusiast settings (which these screens aren't). Feel free to try and find some Crysis 2 screens that even look half as good.

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You cannot be serious? Not only do you not know exactly the settings behind those screens, but also because you are trying to compare screens for Crysis 1 which you really can't find in Crysis 2. You might as well have put this at the end of the post with the caption: "Comparison, problem?"
http://celtic.theoffside.com/files/2.../trollface.jpg


Here are some screens from earlier in the thread, looks nice. And let's find something similar from Crysis 1 with the same settings and resolution he used to properly compare.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=440


I distinctively feel that one runs faster in Crysis 1 compared too Crysis 2 and I am not very optimistic about arguing with the config files. However if someone could further prove this by laying a row of items which have the same length in both games and use a timer to properly identify the velocity of the sprint would indeed be nice.

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Originally Posted by Kallenator

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=440

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i would just like to point out that if you compared that first screen shot to one of the start of the original game on very high when you are in the back of the plane. the original will look noticeably better. both are being rendered in real time on your system in the same environment.... the differences.... one runs better and was made for consoles yet looks considerably worse.... the other is still one of the best looking scenes in the history of gaming but still requires lots of juice to run. i really hope DX11 can help out Crysis 2, however i think they need some better textures as well and built in selectable AA to really improve things.

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Originally Posted by orangekiwii

The videos weren't private when I linked them. It's unforunate they are no longer available. But just because the evidence isn't available doesn't mean it wasn't there or wasn't legit. Stop being so short sighted. I understand the cfgs are there... but theres no PROOF from yuo or anyone else that those variables ACTUALLY affect the game.

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Now you make yourself just look stupid... and your just arguing for the sake of it... the only one who is short sighted is you. The setting s are there for a reason, and the same are used for making mods...

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Originally Posted by orangekiwii

The vegetation texture is mediocre, everything is green, modeling is poor, no distinction between anything. Go walk through a jungle or even outside and tell me if anything looks that bad. Crysis 2 has the same problem with vegetation... and considering ALL of crysis 1 is essentially vegetation it suffers from it much more. Try taking some of your own or actually playing the games. Also that was my point... crysis 1 and crysis 2 ARE apples-oranges... try reading.

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Vegation... green... OUTRAGEOUS.. show me onw game that has better vegitation and jungel feeling then crysis 1...

+1 to Ket and Hornet331's post. Crysis 1 > Crysis 2.

/lock thread

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Originally Posted by FlyingHamster

+1 to Ket and Hornet331's post. Crysis 1 > Crysis 2.

/lock thread

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Problem is that said debate is not the topic of this thread. It just inevitably showed up due to the nature of the actual premise of the thread. So technically reaching that deduction and proving it would not really change anything :p:

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

Now you make yourself just look stupid... and your just arguing for the sake of it... the only one who is short sighted is you. The setting s are there for a reason, and the same are used for making mods...



Vegation... green... OUTRAGEOUS.. show me onw game that has better vegitation and jungel feeling then crysis 1...

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show me one game which has better city scape than crysis 2:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by DeltZ

show me one game which has better city scape than crysis 2:rolleyes:

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GTA 4, Mafia 2, Mirrors Edge and a few others that I probably miss.. :p:

Edit oh yes totaly forgot Assassin's Creed 2...

http://en.expreview.com/2011/04/11/c...way/16078.html

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"We would like to announce that there will be a DX11 patch released for Crysis 2,"posted Crytek community manager Cry-Tom on MyCrysis."We are working to get the best out of DX11,so we’ll wait to announce the features until a little closer to release."

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i will purchase the game when it is released!

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

GTA 4, Mafia 2, Mirrors Edge and a few others that I probably miss.. :p:

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that was simply an amazing game. I really wish they would make another...

Yeah... damit now i need to reinstall it after watching this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TERyxFfMqDk

God damit the OST fits this game like a glove.... I hope after BF3 dice decides to finish Mirrors Edge 2 despite EA giving a :banana::banana::banana::banana: about it... it was a shame that i bought the game only recently on 2010 when it was cheap on steam... it defenitly would have payed the full price for that game.

And you know whats funny despite that mirrors edge is a console title its also a good pc game, because it looks better, comes with additional effects and even the controls are ok if you get used to it. Also it funny that mirrors edge gets better ratings on pc then on consoles both from professional reviewers and users. Also funny the main critic point of mirrors edge was, that it was to "linear and offered only different routes to approach a goal"... :rofl:

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Originally Posted by Hornet331

GTA 4, Mafia 2, Mirrors Edge and a few others that I probably miss.. :p:

Edit oh yes totaly forgot Assassin's Creed 2...

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Now you make yourself just look stupid, they look terrible in comparison. Those games look like they were made in the stone age with graphics engines simpler than play doh. Orangekiwi showed an awesome shot of timesquare in crysis 2.

But no, you're right, crysis 2 sucked cause the movement coefficients of an artificial unit based system was less than the first game though the perception of speed is similar.

If only Crytek's brilliant minds could have just multiplied the coefficients by 10, then it would have been 10 times faster and thus 10x better quality. Crysis 2 wouldn't have got 8.5 on game spot, it would have to 85/10:shrug:

Please keep the bickering and attacks off of here. I would love to keep this discussion open for when they finally upload the DX11 patch :)

/crybabies.