The Maximus Formula Thread - Help/OCing/Guide/Rampage conversion

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Originally Posted by ZenEffect

you should really set it to about 1.9 and re-check your volts again to see exactly how much it over volts. not only is this information good to know, but the word "AUTO" scares the shistuffingst out of me when it comes to asus + voltage. once you know how much it over volts, correct your voltage once again in bios with the adjusted value you just figured out to the factory spec. you could probably squeeze more mhz out of your ram by relaxing your timings on ram, going beyond factory spec on voltage to the ram modules, or a combination of both... in my experience i cant do this by having the voltage on auto.

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manually changed the DRAM Voltage to 1.90 and PC Probe still shows the same value of 1.98V...I then went back to the BIOS and lowered even further to 1.86V...PC Probe now shows a DRAM value of 1.94-1.95V (fluctuates back and forth)...so it looks like this board overvolts by .08 to .09...can I keep lowering the voltage or is it fine to leave it at 1.86 (1.95 actual)?

in the BIOS there are 2 other memory options called DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage and DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage...both are set to Auto right now...do I need to change those as well?

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Originally Posted by ericab

zen,

so you dont like the crucial 8500's ?
damn too bad i was planning on grabbing a set of them for my upgrade. oh well..
i may go for those mushkins you got there, seeing as ive used mushkin many times before, and i never had a problem.

can you hook me up with a link to where you bought them ?

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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820146720
when i got them they had a 45 dollar mail in rebate and a 10 dollar instant rebate

i will probably test some pc-8500 dominators or some kingston hyper-x tomorrow :D

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Originally Posted by Titus

manually changed the DRAM Voltage to 1.90 and PC Probe still shows the same value of 1.98V...I then went back to the BIOS and lowered even further to 1.86V...PC Probe now shows a DRAM value of 1.94-1.95V (fluctuates back and forth)...so it looks like this board overvolts by .08 to .09...can I keep lowering the voltage or is it fine to leave it at 1.86 (1.95 actual)?

in the BIOS there are 2 other memory options called DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage and DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage...both are set to Auto right now...do I need to change those as well?

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keep adjusting the volts till its at factory spec in pc probe. leaving those 2 to auto is ok.

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Originally Posted by ZenEffect

keep adjusting the volts till its at factory spec in pc probe. leaving those 2 to auto is ok.

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factory specs meaning 2.0-2.1V?

http://newgskill.web-bi.net/bbs/view...d=g_ddr2&no=98

that would mean raising the voltage from where it's at now...I thought having a lower DRAM voltage was better?...I thought the voltage listed on the manufacturer's website was the max recommended voltage?...or is the listed 2.0-2.1 the optimal voltage?

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Originally Posted by Titus

factory specs meaning 2.0-2.1V?

http://newgskill.web-bi.net/bbs/view...d=g_ddr2&no=98

that would mean raising the voltage from where it's at now...I thought having a lower voltage was better?...I thought the voltage listed on the manufacturer's website was the max recommended voltage?...or is the listed 2.0-2.1 the optimal voltage?

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you are right but you need to test stability first with memtest, then start lowering volts and retesting :up:

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Originally Posted by ZenEffect

you are right but you need to test stability first with memtest, then start lowering volts and retesting :up:

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I ran OCCT for an hour with the slider set all the way to RAM at the current 1.86V BIOS setting and everything was stable...will run Memtest later tonight for a few hours

is there a minimum voltage I should not go past because I want to make sure not to undervolt as well...what is the absolute minimum DRAM voltage?

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Originally Posted by Titus

I ran OCCT for an hour with the slider set all the way to RAM at the current 1.86V BIOS setting and everything was stable...will run Memtest later tonight for a few hours

is there a minimum voltage I should not go past because I want to make sure not to undervolt as well...what is the absolute minimum DRAM voltage?

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0 :up:

but really... i guess you would have to call the manufacturer as there is too much involved to even begin to guess. i would just lower them until it becomes unstable then set it at the lowest stable voltage.

Is the 1004 bios more stable than 907? I can't seem to get stable on anything higher than 3.8 on my e8400.

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Originally Posted by ericab

@Teko:

i had some nb/sb reading problems when i updated to the maximus rampage bios. a simple FULL uninstall and reinstall of everest fixed the problem. (make sure you backup your "Everest.ini" file before you do it if you have any custom settings...)
also, why not try the rampage bios ? everyone's been having amazing results...

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The 1004 isn't the rampage bios is it? On the ASUS forums they sem to have all sorts of problems with the 1004, but might be an idea to try it :) Not going to use the rampage, as I don't want to loose waranty on the mobo, not sure I'll get another one for a 100$ ;)

Not Rampage bios but 1004 bios for Maximus Formula... works fine here with Q6600 and QX9650... with my usual settings and TRFC has again a wider range like with 1003 better for 2gig dimms...

So we've seen lower vcore, better bandwidth, more tweakings so far from this switch?

Maybe we should compile a list of the benefits brought about by the change.

@Cheese

I found 1004 excellent for 8400 chips. I would recommend it for sure

I have yet to see "better" bandwidth but volts are lower for sure.
Lots more options tho.
I'm gonna bounce back to MF 1004 and to a head to head today.
I'm beginning to feel ther is zero benifit from making the switch. Just more headaches

Well, lower volts would be nice right there, especially for 24/7 on Penryn chips. If you can use lower volts, you can theoretically get higher clocks.

Anyone have Asus aacenter running in there task manager?
Mine seems to be sucking up 50% of my CPU today for some reason, wich is having an effect on Everest, mobo temp is a cool 131 celcius lol

Hoo ray for DDR2 1066 Ballistix Tracers being total :banana::banana::banana::banana:! I just had another stick die on me, it was at 2.22v. This will be the 3rd RMA for this set. I will be selling these and getting something else.

Hey guys, guess what? My 1066 tracers died again! Yay, I love RMAs! Once I get these back, they will be sold.

Now what to get guys? It has to be 1066 minimum that can do 1200. The 1200 kits look nice as well. 2x1GB preferred. Suggestions?

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Originally Posted by teko

Yes, I saw that recomendation :) but how is 505 bios with 4*1GB mem?

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I'm using 0602 with Q6600 and 8Gig ram and it works better for me than the later bios versions, also used 0505 on previous board and it worked great with 4x1 gig sticks, I actually hit 1200mhz ram with 4x1gig sticks with the 0505 bios on a previous board before I messed it up by going to 0907 :down:

If you can, try to stay with the 0505 or 0602 bios when using the Q6600.

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Originally Posted by Renegade5399

Hoo ray for DDR2 1066 Ballistix Tracers being total :banana::banana::banana::banana:! I just had another stick die on me, it was at 2.22v. This will be the 3rd RMA for this set. I will be selling these and getting something else.

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Ok , I have Ballistix 8500 also at v2.27
What are the signs that we can know it's a dead ram ??
Just for reference in case my ram die in the future, thanks

@ Grnfinger. Bothered running those settings? Results? Or you're moving back to MF 1004?

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Originally Posted by icecpu

Ok , I have Ballistix 8500 also at v2.27
What are the signs that we can know it's a dead ram ??
Just for reference in case my ram die in the future, thanks

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Windows errors, F@H errors, and finally no POST. 1 stick completely died on me. It looks like an unstable overclock at first. But you know it's the RAM cause it will give errors in memtest even at stock.

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Originally Posted by Renegade5399

Hey guys, guess what? My 1066 tracers died again! Yay, I love RMAs! Once I get these back, they will be sold.

Now what to get guys? It has to be 1066 minimum that can do 1200. The 1200 kits look nice as well. 2x1GB preferred. Suggestions?

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mushkin hp-2 8500's
i love this ram, right now im running @ 1200
ram is rated to 1.35v and i a/b'd them against crucial ballistix pc-8500 *not tracers* and the mushkin pwned.
im probably going to test some kingston hyper-x today so i will let you know how that goes.

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Originally Posted by Grnfinger

I have yet to see "better" bandwidth but volts are lower for sure.
Lots more options tho.
I'm gonna bounce back to MF 1004 and to a head to head today.
I'm beginning to feel ther is zero benifit from making the switch. Just more headaches

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odd, im feeling the exact opposite... but then again the only thing we have in common is the motherboard. ive experienced better bandwidth (rampage lets me overclock the mushkins to 1200 memtest stable pl6 while the maximus only allowed 1165 pl7) lower volts, alot lower actually which resulted in a higher 24/7 overclock to 4ghz now 24/7 usage 1.464 volts 8hrs prime95 small ffts before i killed it to play some games... and stupid me forgot to take screen shots but i plan to get prime stable with good volts at 450 fsb as im at 445 now. i can get 2 hours prime before core #2 throws an error. so i think i need 1.5 volts as i tested it at 1.49 for 450fsb.

Any recommendations would be appreciated... I have the QX9650 and these settings:

Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : This option is not available to me under 0907
CPU Ratio Control : Also not available
- Ratio CMOS Setting : Also not available
CPU Ratio: 9
FSB Frequency : 366
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 400
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-8500 @ 975
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : AUTO
Row Refresh Cycle Time : AUTO
Write Recovery Time : AUTO
Read to Precharge Time : AUTO

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : AUTO
Write to Read Delay (S) : AUTO
Write to Read Delay (D) : AUTO
Read to Read Delay (S) : AUTO
Read to Read Delay (D) : AUTO
Write to Write Delay (S) : AUTO
Write to Write Delay (D) : AUTO
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
Ai Clock Twister : Light
Transaction Booster : Disabled

CPU Voltage : 1.3
CPU PLL Voltage : AUTO
North Bridge Voltage : 1.45
DRAM Voltage : 2.0
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.5
South Bridge Voltage : 1.050
Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Reference : AUTO
North Bridge GTL Reference : AUTO
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : DDR2_Ref
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : DDR2_Ref
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : DDR2_Ref
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.5

NB LED Selection : NB Volt
SB LED Selection : SB Volt
CPU LED Selection : CPU VOlt
Voltiminder LED : Enabled

CPU Spread Spectrum : Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum : Disabled

Advanced CPU Configuration
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting :
C1E Suppport : Disabled
CPU TM Function : Disabled
Vanderpool Technology : Disabled
Execute Disable Bit : Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit : Disabled


USB Configuration
USB Functions: Enabled
Legacy USB Support : Disabled


Anyone clue me in on the differances between the 0907 Im running now and the 1004? Not sure if I should be happy with this BIOS or what if any benefits I might see with going with the 1004. And what about reverting back if I had any issues?

Under load Im seeing temps (using stock air cooler) of 67c - 70c on all cores. Ran OCCT for 1hr and Prime 1hr... not trying to push this too much on air, because within a couple weeks my case should be in and everything will be LC.

Has anyone tried AISUITE with the 1004 bios yet? Does it work?

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Originally Posted by HousERaT

Has anyone tried AISUITE with the 1004 bios yet? Does it work?

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the only time i ever got aisuite to work was when i took the mobo out of the box for the first time and fired it up. ever since my 1st bios update, it has always crashed, even after completely reloading a fresh install.

yes same here

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Originally Posted by ZenEffect

mushkin hp-2 8500's
i love this ram, right now im running @ 1200
ram is rated to 1.35v and i a/b'd them against crucial ballistix pc-8500 *not tracers* and the mushkin pwned.
im probably going to test some kingston hyper-x today so i will let you know how that goes.

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Are those the blue or black ones? You have a newegg link?

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Originally Posted by Renegade5399

Are those the blue or black ones? You have a newegg link?

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http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...82E16820146720
they are the blue ones, but if you have the cash, get the extremes. they are the black ones.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820146677

i got the blue *hp* modules because they were on special and had a $45 mail in rebate to bring the price to 45 bucks for 2 gigs... but i might pick up a set of these since i am looking for new ram.

Anyone have a link to bios 0217 bios ?? Got plenty of hangs today, when i tried to send some stuff over msn.

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Originally Posted by Turbodream

Anyone have a link to bios 0217 bios ?? Got plenty of hangs today, when i tried to send some stuff over msn.

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Don't think there is a 0217? I've seen 0214 and 0219?

I noticed that the Maximus Formula has no tRC memory timing setting in the BIOS...I almost got tRFC confused with tRC in the BIOS and set tRFC to 35 thinking it was tRC...is there no tRC setting for me due to the G.Skill memory?...are the timings that show up in the BIOS dependant on what kind of memory/manufacturer you have?

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Originally Posted by ZenEffect

0 :up:

but really... i guess you would have to call the manufacturer as there is too much involved to even begin to guess. i would just lower them until it becomes unstable then set it at the lowest stable voltage.

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my guess would be 1.8V as that's the nominal DDR2 voltage

Yeap no 0217 and please do not go off topic for those about discussing for memories.

interesting... i cant set performance level to 7 manually with pull ins disabled, setting to 6 causes a det ram error, putting it to 8 i can post and all is stable. enabling pull ins i can get pl6 at cas5 and pl5 at cas4. it appears that one has to apply the anandtech formula as it seems to be correct after plugging in all the numbers. there is no real guessing at this when the rules of the article are applied and you know your hardware, its just a matter of figuring out to turn on or off pull ins which im pretty sure is one way or the other dependant on strap. we should really read back through this and compile a table of sorts.

NEED MORE SCREEN SHOTS

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Originally Posted by Grnfinger

I just got home from work, I had to leave early cause I'm (cough cough) sick :rofl:

Going to test some clocks and redo OS, still have the web pages wont refresh issue and Everest is being a :banana::banana::banana::banana::banana: not reporting any ram info.
I installed some MS web :banana::banana::banana::banana: via an update yesterday so that might be the cause of the web pages problem.
CPUZ reports everything so I might just need a new version of everest.

Going to post the main setup bios screen and maybe some pll can helpl with some ram settings

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please setting bios

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Originally Posted by Zucker2k

Just flashed back to MF bios 1004. When I first tried this bios some days back, all overclocks reverted to stock on post. This time around, it works!

Anyway, this is 8x495, 8x498, 8x500 (E8400), with 1.51 VNB, PL7

8x505 1.55 VNB PL7

Edit: Full ram settings: 5-5-5-15-3-35-6-3-8-3-5-4-6-4-6

Could someone run this identical settings in RF and let's see what the difference could possibly be? Thanks.

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I copied ALL your settings

I set Clock Twister to Stronger, Dram Static To AUTO, PL = 7
So lets Compare

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f.../TEST1_495.png

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f.../TEST2_498.png

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f.../TEST3_500.png

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f.../TEST4_505.png

Why does my L2 Cache suck ass compared to yours?

Double post alert

Looks like teh Rampage is slightly faster

( compare with Zucker2k using MF settings on page 18 )

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Originally Posted by Shoty

please setting bios

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Using bios 1004 here is are my 4.32GHz settings

Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency : 480
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333
PCI-E Frequency: 110
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1153
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 35
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
Ai Clock Twister : Strong
Transaction Booster : Disabled
Relax level: 0

CPU Voltage : 1.3875
CPU PLL Voltage : AUTO
North Bridge Voltage : 1.47
DRAM Voltage : 2.10
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.40
South Bridge Voltage : 1.050
Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Reference : 0.63X
North Bridge GTL Reference : 0.67X
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : DDR2-REFF
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.5

Fantastic OC 4.32GHz on water at 1.3875 Vcore bios set. Thx for sharing.
The template is using 1004 Bios right?
Your sig shows you've updated the Bios to Rampage Formula SE Bios 0219.

Correct that is my Maximus 1004 bios settings

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Originally Posted by ZenEffect

the only time i ever got aisuite to work was when i took the mobo out of the box for the first time and fired it up. ever since my 1st bios update, it has always crashed, even after completely reloading a fresh install.

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Originally Posted by RobotDJX

yes same here

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Does this mean you both tried it with the 1004 bios and it failed?

Faster for me is PL8/Phases Enabled that PL7/Phases disabled.
But i cannot use PL7/Phases enabled due to CAS 5 limitation at 450@5:6@540

[QUOTE=Grnfinger;2845316]Using bios 1004 here is are my 4.32GHz settings

Extreme Tweaker
Ai Overclock Tuner : Manual
OC From CPU Level Up : AUTO
CPU Ratio Control : Manual
- Ratio CMOS Setting : 9
FSB Frequency : 480
FSB Strap to North Bridge : 333
PCI-E Frequency: 110
DRAM Frequency: DDR2-1153
DRAM Command Rate : 2T
DRAM Timing Control: Manual
CAS# Latency : 5
RAS# to CAS# Delay : 5
RAS# Precharge : 5
RAS# ActivateTime : 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : 3
Row Refresh Cycle Time : 35
Write Recovery Time : 6
Read to Precharge Time : 3

Read to Write Delay (S/D) : 8
Write to Read Delay (S) : 3
Write to Read Delay (D) : 5
Read to Read Delay (S) : 4
Read to Read Delay (D) : 6
Write to Write Delay (S) : 4
Write to Write Delay (D) : 6
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
Ai Clock Twister : Strong
Transaction Booster : Disabled
Relax level: 0

CPU Voltage : 1.3875
CPU PLL Voltage : AUTO
North Bridge Voltage : 1.47
DRAM Voltage : 2.10
FSB Termination Voltage : 1.40
South Bridge Voltage : 1.050
Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU GTL Reference : 0.63X
North Bridge GTL Reference : 0.67X
DDR2 Channel A REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Channel B REF Voltage : AUTO
DDR2 Controller REF Voltage : DDR2-REFF
SB 1.5V Voltage : 1.5[/QUOTE


thanks

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Originally Posted by Grnfinger

Double post alert

Looks like teh Rampage is slightly faster

( compare with Zucker2k using MF settings on page 18 )

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@ Grnfinger: Clock Twister was on Auto for my runs on MF. I'm not behind my PC right now, but I'll run with it enabled to see what difference it makes tomorrow.

My "write" and "copy" numbers are better than yours too. I'm sure I can duplicate your read numbers if I run everest tests a couple of times, instead of once. I also think clock twister enabled, will add a few more digits all around. I really want these results to sway me as to which bios to use; so I'll give you all the ram settings for the "secondary, as well as "tertiary" ram settings for the rampage. Could you run rams at these settings:

5-5-5-15-3-35-6-3-8-3-5-4-6-4-6-14-5-1-5-5

Wonder if these to setting will help my overclocking or not ? Using a E8500.

CPU GTL Reference : .63
North Bridge GTL Reference : .67

Ok, one thing that I'm confused about is which phases to enable if I have the ram in the white slots and which if I have it in the blue slots? Anyone got any ideas? I want to try to get PL6 or PL7 with pulled up Phases so it's like PL6 and then lower the timings even more.

How come you guys have a Write speed almost as high as your read speeds?

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Originally Posted by kup

Ok, one thing that I'm confused about is which phases to enable if I have the ram in the white slots and which if I have it in the blue slots? Anyone got any ideas? I want to try to get PL6 or PL7 with pulled up Phases so it's like PL6 and then lower the timings even more.

How come you guys have a Write speed almost as high as your read speeds?

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they run a higher fsb than us. :(
and try just enabling all of them.

How come their read and write speeds are nearly even and mine are not?

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/600/everest2zp6.jpg

my newest numbers ;)

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/6...emaaxw3.th.png

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Originally Posted by Zucker2k

@ Grnfinger: Clock Twister was on Auto for my runs on MF. I'm not behind my PC right now, but I'll run with it enabled to see what difference it makes tomorrow.

My "write" and "copy" numbers are better than yours too. I'm sure I can duplicate your read numbers if I run everest tests a couple of times, instead of once. I also think clock twister enabled, will add a few more digits all around. I really want these results to sway me as to which bios to use; so I'll give you all the ram settings for the "secondary, as well as "tertiary" ram settings for the rampage. Could you run rams at these settings:

5-5-5-15-3-35-6-3-8-3-5-4-6-4-6-14-5-1-5-5

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I will run them tomorrow and post the results

just reloaded my system again, and started from scratch making sure everything is 100% stable. this is the best ive done yet for a stable system!

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...22976/1200.jpg

5-5-5-18-3-50-6-3-8-3-5-4-6-46-14-5-1-5-5

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Originally Posted by ZenEffect

just reloaded my system again, and started from scratch making sure everything is 100% stable. this is the best ive done yet for a stable system!

http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f2...22976/1200.jpg

5-5-5-18-3-50-6-3-8-3-5-4-6-46-14-5-1-5-5

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What complete BIOS settings for that 4050mhz? Voltages and everything.

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Originally Posted by kup

Ok, one thing that I'm confused about is which phases to enable if I have the ram in the white slots and which if I have it in the blue slots? Anyone got any ideas? I want to try to get PL6 or PL7 with pulled up Phases so it's like PL6 and then lower the timings even more.

How come you guys have a Write speed almost as high as your read speeds?

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This is mine:
with PL7/phases disabled@5-5-5-15
http://www.imageshack.gr/files/kc677uw0ufpqzr5254iv.jpg

with PL8/phases enabled@5-5-4-13
http://www.imageshack.gr/files/3md6t918bmny9n4rmfx3.jpg

I enabled all available phases do not know if some need to be down, but giorgos th. has tested that and found no difference, though someone else could confirm that.

Funny you guys get far better memory performance than I do :(

This was done with my 24/7 settings:
http://2200kbhn.dk/showpic.php?id=39&rsz=1

And this is with a higher FSB, but slower ram
http://2200kbhn.dk/showpic.php?id=40&rsz=1

Hmm - I think I might try the Rampage BIOS..

After many hours of testing and tweaking I can finally say that this board is ALOT better now with the Rampage bios. Once the settings are figured out and tweaked for your setup, it is a major improvement


http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...250_1200_3.png

HousERaT: last time I tried was when I upped to 907. Yesterday I went 1004 and haven't tried installing it since I don't really need it.
1004 is running smooth here by the way with the E8500.

I'm about to start clocking this beast, but I'm a bit worried about my SB and NB temps as I'm reading that 47C is a critical limit.

I have QX6850 and have replaced all the stock coolers with water. My CPU idles at 22C and my GPU at 36C so I know that part is working, but my NB is at 41 and my SB is at 40 (idle). They are both cooled by Aqua Computer Twinplex XT di blocks.

I have 4x2GB Geil 8500 Black Dragon (@1066), 8800GTX and a pcie (4x) raid controller.

I *think* (fingers crossed) that the thermal paste (AS5) and seating is OK, but before I rip the board out and check I wanted to check with you guys if these are suspiciously high.

Any input welcome - thanks :)

Grnfinger/RobotDJX:

Is 1004 running any differently from 0907 with Wolfdale? Should I have any motivation to flash?

my NB and SB are idle around 35c (NB on water)
Fully stressed NB hits 42 and SB 39. Used AS5 too.

What do you use to measure the temp of the GPU?

Dostoyevsky77: More options setting tRFC and I could go down one notch Vcore in the bios since after flashing 1.368v was suddenly 1.352 in stead of 1.344 in CPUZ. Other than that I have experienced no difference so far, all is still stable after 10 hours of Orthos. Will start benching again after dark...

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Originally Posted by RobotDJX

my NB and SB are idle around 35c (NB on water)
Fully stressed NB hits 42 and SB 39. Used AS5 too.

What do you use to measure the temp of the GPU?

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Everest 4.20.1170:

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    Sensor Properties:
      Sensor Type                                      W83627DHG + W83791D + ADT7475 + ADP3228  (ISA 290h, SMB 2Ch/2Eh/20h)
      GPU Sensor Type                                  Analog Devices ADT7473  (NV-I2C 2Eh)
      Motherboard Name                                  Asus Maximus Extreme / Formula
      Chassis Intrusion Detected                        No

    Temperatures:
      Motherboard                                      34 °C  (93 °F)
      CPU                                              21 °C  (70 °F)
      CPU #1 / Core #1                                  35 °C  (95 °F)
      CPU #1 / Core #2                                  35 °C  (95 °F)
      CPU #1 / Core #3                                  28 °C  (82 °F)
      CPU #1 / Core #4                                  37 °C  (99 °F)
      North Bridge                                      39 °C  (102 °F)
      South Bridge                                      39 °C  (102 °F)
      GPU                                              35 °C  (95 °F)
      GPU Diode                                        45 °C  (113 °F)
      GPU Ambient                                      35 °C  (95 °F)
      SAMSUNG HD501LJ                                  40 °C  (104 °F)
      Seagate ST3500630AS                              46 °C  (115 °F)
      Seagate ST3750640AS                              45 °C  (113 °F)
      HDD #4                                            37 °C  (99 °F)
      Seagate ST31000340AS                              37 °C  (99 °F)
      Seagate ST31000340AS                              38 °C  (100 °F)
      Seagate ST31000340AS                              39 °C  (102 °F)
      Seagate ST31000340AS                              37 °C  (99 °F)
      WDC WD1500ADFD-00NLR1                            37 °C  (99 °F)
      WDC WD1500ADFD-00NLR1                            33 °C  (91 °F)

    Cooling Fans:
      CPU                                              2150 RPM
      Chassis #2                                        1278 RPM
      Fan #1                                            1507 RPM

    Voltage Values:
      CPU Core                                          1.12 V
      +3.3 V                                            3.26 V
      +5 V                                              4.85 V
      +12 V                                            12.26 V
      +5 V Standby                                      4.95 V
      FSB VTT                                          1.30 V
      North Bridge Core                                1.36 V
      South Bridge Core                                1.07 V
      South Bridge PLL                                  1.52 V
      DIMM                                              2.22 V
      DIMM VTT                                          1.10 V
      GPU Vcc                                          3.30 V
      Debug Info F                                      FF 9D FF FF 21
      Debug Info T                                      34 21 27
      Debug Info V                                      8C DB CC CC 9A CA 9F (03)

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Well, let's see.... Ai Clock Twister enabled this time, Static Read at Auto, PL7, 7x500 and 8x500, MF bios 1004.

Any new bios for the Rampage yet?

Wow you have no patience my friend.
We are still on betas and there is no official bios yet
(and we have already upcoming bios tweaking of X48!)
That is more than enough for me!

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Originally Posted by Spyrus

Wow you have no patience my friend.
We are still on betas and there is no official bios yet
(and we have already upcoming bios tweaking of X48!)
That is more than enough for me!

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I fail to see how I'm impatient when I simply asked if there were any new bios floating about! We've had 3 in a matter of weeks so they're out there if we can find them...

Am I the only one having some issues with this?

If I go 1MHz above 3.6 Windows Defender crashes when I login :( This both happens with 451*8 and 401*9 :( But at 3600 it runs perfectly at 1.49V (E6600 B2) Upping the voltage doesn't help at all..

(I'm on water, both CPU and NB)

Any suggestions?

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What complete BIOS settings for that 4050mhz? Voltages and everything.

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let me get home from work today and i will post screen shots, im not writing everything down then typing it out :p:

@kup

if we want new bios' we should talk to our taiwanese chums over at vr-zone as all the beta bios' seem to be leaking from taiwan

for those who verified, can you tell me what's the cpu pll when set as "auto" ? this value increase when cpu is overclocked ? (always as "auto")

thanks :)

Quick question for you guys:

How hot is the NB running with the stock heatsink? I am getting a Rampage and just wanna know if I need to invest in a NB waterblock, or if I can simply direct some of the airflow from the case fan over the heatsink, and perhaps change the thermal tape to a proper TIM.

I'd love some voltage / temp numbers with 4 RAM sticks especially. :D

It depends of the fsb/strap. For daily use with 4sticks could be difficult for high clocks

Let's say a moderate overclock of a E8500 @ 450FSB and 4x2GB PC2-8500 sticks running near their rated speeds in ambient temps up to around 30C in the summertime. A bit faster in spring, fall and winter if possible.

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Originally Posted by Celoth

Quick question for you guys:

How hot is the NB running with the stock heatsink? I am getting a Rampage and just wanna know if I need to invest in a NB waterblock, or if I can simply direct some of the airflow from the case fan over the heatsink, and perhaps change the thermal tape to a proper TIM.

I'd love some voltage / temp numbers with 4 RAM sticks especially. :D

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typically i never see mine exceed 55c under a few hours of full load. 1.51 volts set in bios. i am using the stock heatsink just as it was from the factory (non se version) but i do have a small fan that i used nylon zip ties to strap it to the top.

@ any 6600 users with 450 x 8 plus , what you setting your cpu pll at and also your nb volts , thanks

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Originally Posted by TheOriginalTB

Am I the only one having some issues with this?

If I go 1MHz above 3.6 Windows Defender crashes when I login :( This both happens with 451*8 and 401*9 :( But at 3600 it runs perfectly at 1.49V (E6600 B2) Upping the voltage doesn't help at all..

(I'm on water, both CPU and NB)

Any suggestions?

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What are you NB volts and FSBT volts?

CPU PLL on Auto you can check in your bios under hardware monitor
I do recall at auto it runs around 1.60 , unsure if it adjusts according to overclock,

I am at 9x450@540 PL7 and have around 55oC at 1.35V with no additional fan
and all fans at ~1000rpm. But surely i can do better if i wanted the cooling noise

VTT,PLL, are lowest possible up to 500fsb with 0.63x cpu,0.67x nb

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Originally Posted by andyr(uk)

@ any 6600 users with 450 x 8 plus , what you setting your cpu pll at and also your nb volts , thanks

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im at 450x9

cpu ppl is 1.61 and nb is 1.51

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Originally Posted by ZenEffect

im at 450x9

cpu ppl is 1.61 and nb is 1.51

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thanks , thats some chip you got there :)

wow, nice! thanks a lot! :toast:

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Originally Posted by Celoth

Quick question for you guys:

How hot is the NB running with the stock heatsink? I am getting a Rampage and just wanna know if I need to invest in a NB waterblock, or if I can simply direct some of the airflow from the case fan over the heatsink, and perhaps change the thermal tape to a proper TIM.

I'd love some voltage / temp numbers with 4 RAM sticks especially. :D

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With 2 small fans mouted on the cooling fans my NB temp is 47 C degrees with 1.55V, raising that voltage to 1.6 I get around 50 degrees. SB is around 40 degrees. A little to hot I think so gonna add some water cooling tomorrow.

Okay, this is getting interesting...

Ok guys should i buy the formula for £165 or wait for the rampage thats £200 as my pc shop has the formula in stock but not the rampage. Im askin this as they are both the same board aint they apart from the bios being better than the formula???

Ok now stupid question but is the formula and rampage the same ??? Like is the x48 just a overclocked x38??? and is it worth me buying a formula for £165 or waiting for a rampage and paying £200 for it when its in stock.
Cheers Paul

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Originally Posted by Zucker2k

Okay, this is getting interesting...

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those are some very impressive results! 6 more fsb makes a world of difference!:up:

@ wilson
i wouldnt even go so far as to say the x48 is a overclocked x38...
from what i understand there is no real difference between the 2 except the x48 has the 1600mhz fsb stamp of approval, but as you can see here we are taking the x38 well beyond 1600mhz

Heh, that was easy. Here's AFUDOS 2.36ES.

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Originally Posted by Grendel66

Heh, that was easy. Here's AFUDOS 2.36ES.

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yup confirmed 2.36ES, though its a bit late now... :p:
looks like we are going to have most versions of afudos in es by the time the rampage gets released!

good find :)

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Originally Posted by wilson

Ok now stupid question but is the formula and rampage the same ??? Like is the x48 just a overclocked x38??? and is it worth me buying a formula for £165 or waiting for a rampage and paying £200 for it when its in stock.
Cheers Paul

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Its the same board , the diffence is the bios which can be flashed over to the same as the rampage and the x48 is a speed binned x38

the rampage is expected to be in stock at the end of March, if its worth the extra depends on if you think the speed binned chip is worth the extra 40-50 quid i suppose

Ok so i could just flash the bios over and have a rampage ? is the speed binned just something in the bios and the chipset is just the same.
Sry for the dumb question but id just rather buy the formula and flash the bios over and sve the cash if its that simple.
Cheers Paul

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Originally Posted by wilson

Ok so i could just flash the bios over and have a rampage ? is the speed binned just something in the bios and the chipset is just the same.
Sry for the dumb question but id just rather buy the formula and flash the bios over and sve the cash if its that simple.
Cheers Paul

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yes it is as easy as just flashing over the bios. the speed binned thing is the northbridge, and is pretty much a fancy seal of approval nothing more. from experience the x38 runs past 1600fsb with ease

Roger that!!
Looks like it`s a formula with the rampage bios mod:up: .
Jus one last thing , does it run ok with the e8400.

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Originally Posted by wilson

Roger that!!
Looks like it`s a formula with the rampage bios mod:up: .
Jus one last thing , does it run ok with the e8400.

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look @ zucker's and grnfinger's posts. apparently, they are having excellent results :yepp: :D

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Originally Posted by RobotDJX

What do you use to measure the temp of the GPU?

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gpu-z click the sensors tab

@wilson,

the only difference is the physical 'build' 'QUALITY' of the specific chip.

think of it....... as gold (x48) vs silver (x38)

Thanks those who posted temp numbers. :)

How is the Asus warranty policy when it comes to changing the chipset cooling? Will it void it? If it doesn't I'd get an actual Rampage, but if it does void it, there's really little point in not getting a maximus instead and flashing it to a rampage. Assuming the NB is the same quality of course.

Man, I just started reading through this post this morning, and got to about page 5 and said to myself, I'm doin' it tonight when I get home. Went smooth as silk... Just wanted to post and say my Thanks especially to The Stilt and ZenEffect for their hard work. Much appreciated guys, simple thanks doesn't go far enough to express how happy I am as an owner of a Rampage! I hope "those guys" don't lock future Rampage BIOS's from us. Sorta nice of them to let us get away with it so far eh? ASUS has re-earned my loyalty. BTW, only snag I ran into was 0219 did not rec. my USB keyboard (minor). Otherwise, it booted right into Vista x64. Goin to do more testing now... Thanks again M8's!!!

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Originally Posted by ElEctric_EyE

Man, I just started reading through this post this morning, and got to about page 5 and said to myself, I'm doin' it tonight when I get home. Went smooth as silk... Just wanted to post and say my Thanks especially to The Stilt and ZenEffect for their hard work. Much appreciated guys, simple thanks doesn't go far enough to express how happy I am as an owner of a Rampage! I hope "those guys" don't lock future Rampage BIOS's from us. Sorta nice of them to let us get away with it so far eh? ASUS has re-earned my loyalty. BTW, only snag I ran into was 0219 did not rec. my USB keyboard (minor). Otherwise, it booted right into Vista x64. Goin to do more testing now... Thanks again M8's!!!

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i think at this point the only way to lock out future bios' will be to completely redesign the motherboard. i may be wrong but i dont think there is much asus can do on the software side to lock us out.

I've narrowed down the multiplier bug to loading a saved profile and the multiplier not changing when you save and reboot.

If the multi is 9x and you load a profile with for example, 8x, if you save a reboot it stays stuck at 9x and when you boot it is at 9x in the bios. Set it to 8x manually now and then save and reboot and it should be fine. This is the only quirk I've found so far...

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Originally Posted by ZenEffect

i think at this point the only way to lock out future bios' will be to completely redesign the motherboard. i may be wrong but i dont think there is much asus can do on the software side to lock us out.

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Correct. We've now got the flash tools to flash ANY bios to these boards, even if it had yet another ROMID or was even a completely incompatible bios, we could still force it to flash to our boards.

ok i have a weird problem. just trying to increase vcore because i cant get 3.1 ghz stable (get prime95 BSOD) on a q6600. i had everything stock on the 0907 bios except i had 9x345 FSB and DRAM voltage at 2.12. cpuz showed my vcore (which was on auto) at around 1.334 idle and 1.304 under load. i tried increase the vcore to 1.34 and it lowered the vcore to 1.28!. i had to set the vcore at 1.400 to get it to apply 1.34 voltage, any idea what could be wrong? do i need to adjust the NB or vFSB voltages? thanks

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Originally Posted by Newms118

ok i have a weird problem. just trying to increase vcore because i cant get 3.1 ghz stable (get prime95 BSOD) on a q6600. i had everything stock on the 0907 bios except i had 9x345 FSB and DRAM voltage at 2.12. cpuz showed my vcore (which was on auto) at around 1.334 idle and 1.304 under load. i tried increase the vcore to 1.34 and it lowered the vcore to 1.28!. i had to set the vcore at 1.400 to get it to apply 1.34 voltage, any idea what could be wrong? do i need to adjust the NB or vFSB voltages? thanks

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vdroop is normal. make sure you have loadline calibration enabled and it shouldnt be as bad.

squeezed alittle bit more for 24/7 use

http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/f...er/test2-2.jpg

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Originally Posted by kup

Correct. We've now got the flash tools to flash ANY bios to these boards, even if it had yet another ROMID or was even a completely incompatible bios, we could still force it to flash to our boards.

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i deleted the post, but the romid is easy enough to change anyways :p: