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10-03-2013, 05:26 AM
Dimitriman

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Originally Posted by AliG

Even if that may be a good deal, why can't they just offer the card stand alone for $100 less? I understand that AMD doesn't pay retail price on the bundle games but at the same time for people who don't care about the games included it's just a waste of money. If you check ebay there's lots of listers trying to sell their 3 game vouchers for as low as $15

There will be more cards soon my friend, AMD is just milking the hype a bit.. I bet by month's end you will see lots of other "regular" cards.
10-03-2013, 05:33 AM
boxleitnerb

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Originally Posted by Piledriver

Titan isn't a refresh. Titan was late just like Fermi was, the only difference was this time around Nvidia released the midrange first which gave them time to do Titan right. They've learned, but they were still late. The proof Titan was late was AMD gaining market share and during it's reign and now just a few months after it's about to undercut it bad in terms of performance\price. Calling Titan a refresh is marketing bull.

I remember the greens saying ridiculous things like Nvidia not releasing Titan when they released gtx 680 because Nvidia din't need to, and i can only laugh... again.

They really didn't need to as evidenced by the strong sales of the 680 and 690. "Late" implies plans to release it earlier. There is no proof of such plans, just your imagination ;)
10-03-2013, 07:04 AM
raghu78

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Originally Posted by SKYMTL

If that price is correct, there will be an epic price gap between the R9 280X and R9 290.

I know you are under NDA. but has AMD revealed the price of R9 290X and R9 290 to the press yet or is that still not decided. As a matter of principle AMD should have told retailers not to accept any bookings or pre-orders until the embargo is lifted. some like ocuk are promising a full refund of the deposit if you change your mind after seeing launch pricing and perf. But I don't understand the whole purpose of this at all.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...56&subcat=1752

also will BF4 beta find a place in your GPU test suite. given its one of the biggest titles this holiday and buyers would like to know how R9 290X performs in BF4 or maybe we can look forward to a BF4 benchmarking article on the latest cards after the launch of the game in Oct end / early Nov.
10-03-2013, 07:33 AM
tbone8ty

Why would amd price it at $599 if it pants the titan? This is a business after all
10-03-2013, 07:47 AM
SKYMTL

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Originally Posted by raghu78

I know you are under NDA. but has AMD revealed the price of R9 290X and R9 290 to the press yet or is that still not decided. As a matter of principle AMD should have told retailers not to accept any bookings or pre-orders until the embargo is lifted. some like ocuk are promising a full refund of the deposit if you change your mind after seeing launch pricing and perf. But I don't understand the whole purpose of this at all.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...56&subcat=1752

also will BF4 beta find a place in your GPU test suite. given its one of the biggest titles this holiday and buyers would like to know how R9 290X performs in BF4 or maybe we can look forward to a BF4 benchmarking article on the latest cards after the launch of the game in Oct end / early Nov.

Performance, power consumption and price were not given to reviewers.

BF4 Beta will not be added to the test suite due to my refusal to use A) Beta versions of games B) a game whose performance is currently tied at the hip to an internet connection. It will be added (single player) to the new testing suite in December which will also include a full test system refresh (IVB-E, Win8.1, etc.).
10-03-2013, 07:58 AM
m_jones_

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Originally Posted by tbone8ty

Why would amd price it at $599 if it pants the titan? This is a business after all

This, they are a company that wishes to make as much money as possible.
10-03-2013, 08:18 AM
raghu78

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Originally Posted by SKYMTL

Performance, power consumption and price were not given to reviewers.

BF4 Beta will not be added to the test suite due to my refusal to use A) Beta versions of games B) a game whose performance is currently tied at the hip to an internet connection. It will be added (single player) to the new testing suite in December which will also include a full test system refresh (IVB-E, Win8.1, etc.).

k. so i am guessing the new testing suite will focus more on 2013 games. Some of the recent and upcoming games worth considering are Arma III, BF4, Watch Dogs as they are few of the most demanding games . Games in your existing suite like Crysis 3, Tombraider could be retained as they too are demanding.
10-03-2013, 08:24 AM
Dimitriman

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Originally Posted by tbone8ty

Why would amd price it at $599 if it pants the titan? This is a business after all

And it is because of this that AMD has not revealed the price, it is the best indication of performance, better than any marketing slide. If AMD suddenly priced this card at $400, you can be damn sure it will not beat the 780, for example.
10-03-2013, 08:32 AM
bill_d

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Originally Posted by tbone8ty

Why would amd price it at $599 if it pants the titan? This is a business after all

why would it be more than a 7990 it won't beet
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814202036
10-03-2013, 08:51 AM
DefStar

Ha ha, I wouldn't buy a Saphire card even if they were the only ones to make an R9 290x. Every Sapphire card I have had has been the worst overclocker.... And now somebody claims that every Sapphire card they have ever had was the best overclocker in the world.
Well, my experience is Sapphire NO!
10-03-2013, 10:28 AM
Lanek

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Originally Posted by bill_d

why would it be more than a 7990 it won't beet
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814202036

Lol, dont take a price when this one is made with a 33% down, look like they are cleaning their stock of 7990's ( each brand got a different % sold )... Or at least they try.
10-03-2013, 10:44 AM
Evantaur

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Originally Posted by raghu78

recent and upcoming games worth considering are Arma III

is that engine even multithread aware yet?
10-03-2013, 11:05 AM
zalbard

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Originally Posted by tbone8ty

Why would amd price it at $599 if it pants the titan? This is a business after all

Volume of sales, potential market share...

It is really funny to see all the comparisons to Titan. Titan is mostly targeted at collectors and CUDA developers, not gamers, hence the price.
Titan is not out there to compete with anything, and it is not designed to be priced competitively.

You should be looking at GTX 780 instead.
10-03-2013, 11:14 AM
madcho

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Originally Posted by zalbard

Volume of sales, potential market share...

It is really funny to see all the comparisons to Titan. Titan is mostly targeted at collectors and CUDA developers, not gamers, hence the price.
Titan is not out there to compete with anything, and it is not designed to be priced competitively.

You should be looking at GTX 780 instead.

Agree, the High end target for Enthousiast is 500$, Ultra Enthousiast 600$, no more.

For more $, to have some interest, you have compute usage ( not graphic ), large amount of ram usage for rendering.

Otherwise, interest is loooooooooow.

I dont believe Titan is a commercial success. It's just the top of the frame, and no more.
10-03-2013, 11:21 AM
zalbard

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Originally Posted by madcho

I dont believe Titan is a commercial success. It's just the top of the frame, and no more.

It's a halo product. :yepp:
10-03-2013, 11:23 AM
[XC] Oj101

No longer. It's reign is over.

I, for one, thought those benchmark results shown were fake and actually lower than shown. Turns out the exact opposite is true. Well played, AMD, bloody well played.
10-03-2013, 11:31 AM
zalbard

How well does memory overclock? Stock frequency seems to be very conservative.
10-03-2013, 11:32 AM
PedantOne

and what you expected? Lower performance then Titan? If will be true, absolute useless card for new generation and High end. New card HAVE TO beat last highest model, if not, it is :banana::banana::banana::banana: ...
10-03-2013, 11:42 AM
[XC] Oj101

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Originally Posted by zalbard

How well does memory overclock? Stock frequency seems to be very conservative.

I'm not going to give numbers, but I'll say that it's all over for the TITAN until LN2 is used, at which point the roles are reversed. LN2 is kinda wasted on the card.
10-03-2013, 11:42 AM
Dimitriman

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Originally Posted by [XC] Oj101

Performance in. Killer card on air (RIP TITAN), sucks on LN2. 1400 MHz or so.

I wouldn't expect the first batch to hit high numbers on LN2, but it's great to hear that AMD has finally put out competition with big and fast monolithic chips.
10-03-2013, 12:03 PM
Lanek

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Originally Posted by [XC] Oj101

I'm not going to give numbers, but I'll say that it's all over for the TITAN until LN2 is used, at which point the roles are reversed. LN2 is kinda wasted on the card.

ES or retail ? cold bug or just it dont goes more whatever voltage you push to it ? In general, good air oc core dont really shine under LN2.. high Asic ?
10-03-2013, 12:20 PM
[XC] Oj101

5+1 PWM hasn't done it any favours ;)
10-03-2013, 12:29 PM
jaredpace

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Originally Posted by [XC] Oj101

5+1 PWM hasn't done it any favours ;)

Where u get 5+1 from? Your card look like this?

http://www.brightsideofnews.com/Data...aiiFullPCB.jpg
10-03-2013, 12:33 PM
[XC] Oj101

5+1+1. For now I'm not going to say anything more on the subject :)
10-03-2013, 12:38 PM
hurleybird

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Originally Posted by [XC] Oj101

No longer. It's reign is over.

I, for one, thought those benchmark results shown were fake and actually lower than shown. Turns out the exact opposite is true. Well played, AMD, bloody well played.

By exact opposite do you mean the leaks were true, or that the leaks underestimated how fast 290X is? How is the noise on the stock solution in comparison to Titan?

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