wink wink, nudge nudge, know what i mean? know what i mean?
nice :)
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just get it (word) out B4 i (we) get other ones (mobos) first. :nono:
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wink wink, nudge nudge, know what i mean? know what i mean?
nice :)
:YIPPIE:
just get it (word) out B4 i (we) get other ones (mobos) first. :nono:
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Originally Posted by Joe Camel
So... What's it like? ;)
seriously. looks nice. I do not like the prices, though. I was tihinking about getting one, but if the prices do not drop, i won't. It is expensive enough as it is here in europe :rolleyes:
I dont like the whit one, actually. But whatever. i dont use windows in my case. And i dont really think the black one is any better. Ok, a little, but it is going to cost more..
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Originally Posted by SlackeR
I just want performance, stability and reliability, and if i have to pay a little extra for it then so be it. And no doubt that here in the UK the price will be high (we always get screwed) but if the product is good enough I dont mind so much.
Working with the DFI NF4 has taught me a new found respect for stability, due to the complete absense of it on their mainboards. :p:
P.S Tony, do you have any benchies of the Sapphires you could share with us at this stage?
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Originally Posted by bigtoe
Maybe OCZ? :p:
What is that in your upper 16x slot?
That board looks awesome....but now you have me curious about this next board.
Whatever is best at the end of October is what I'm getting.
how much longer do I have to wait?
What is the deal with all these reports of usb issues? Any of these new boards solve this yet?
Huh, X-bit labs has put up a review of the Grouper and they had one board going tits up during the tests because of a failed capacitor in the CPU voltage regulator unit and it took the CPU with it :stick:
Now this is scary and is the worst news about this board.
X-bit's review
:O awesome mobo
The 1-14 and 1-19 bios files for the DFI NF4 are cpu killers luckily it only killed my cpu's and not the general publics, thats why i had the bios removed and updated all those months ago. Boards dying is nothing new and many do die while on review just as ram does and cpu's do.Quote:
Originally Posted by LowRun
I wouldn't worry, i have had over 7 boards here with zero issues and i push boards a lot harder than Xbit do trust me ;)
If you want all 16 lanes at 1 pcie slot this is how you do it on this boardQuote:
Originally Posted by vapb400
USB performance is a little slow, and there is no integrated SATA2 in the SB.Quote:
Originally Posted by xgman
BUT
IDE performance is stunning as is sound and SATA1, they are the only issues
last point is OCZ are not making the board..i wish they were honestly but a decission was made to concentrate away from motherboards a while back.
You should see s PR next week with who is making it, till then i can't say a word.
Well, mobos tend to die a little too much as of lately, that's why i am regarding Grouper with great hope and was badly scared by X-bit's experiment, anyway, i hope you're right and the board is as reliable as can be.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigtoe
Thanks for the infos you bring time after time.
maybe Bigtoes press release next week will bring hope back up. The mobo death due to caps brings back memory of the old days with bulging caps. It is something to worry about. I doubt there are that many boards out there for review. even if 1 out of 10 dies, thats a pretty big ratio. If they sell a million of these things, thats a 100k people with dead mobos and cpus. How piss would someone with a dead FX57 or the future fx59 be? No reason why they couldnt have used all sanyos or nichicon. Those pennies they saved will make them pay big time in the future with tons of RMAs. It only shows inconsistent quality and drives away users. Also its not like one of the brand names failed. It is the el cheapo caps that failed. So it is scary indeed. Now if only someone would test out the DFI crossfire...
I give props to Xbitlabs for being forthcoming with this.
Well We all know what happens when a manufacturer uses sanyo oscon and rubycon caps. All the money is spent on reliability and bios engineering goes out the window *cough* abit *cough*
Hmm on that crossfire it looks to have 2 sanyo oscon caps at the regulator area( purple ones ) what brand are the other caps to the right and left of those bigtoe? that is if your at liberty to say.
actually abit's engineering isnt all that great either. I had two of its AN8 boards die on me.
Those purple caps look G-Luxon to me, they seem not to be good stuff.
well, that's dissapointing news. :shrug:
no CPU temp monitoring? (this can't be right!)
higher cpu utilization by the network controller and the usb controllers.
not all the capacitors are of the same quality?
no bootup diagnostics LEDs?
and that's just the issues i care about, others might care about the poor sustained usb 2.0 speeds and so on.
I was looking forward to this board too (well, the crossfire one). :/
Overall impression is, seems like they are trying to cut costs to introduce the board at a competetive price to the DFI NF4 boards.
I'll wait for the DFI CF review to make up my mind. But so far leaning towards the DFI NF4 SLI-D. :( God I hate nVidia videocards! :(
Well i would too. but the difference we have seen till now is ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by madpete
And in Denmark we pay 25% VAT in stead of 17%, plus our prices are always a bit higher due to lower demand and less competition.
Anyways, i am not getting anything yet, so i have some time to see how the different boards perform, and where prices will end up.
low speed usb , no SataII , agrhh , wth ATI was doing in 9 months when they introduced this pure board in January :slapass:
I bet the price of ATI board is higher than DFI NF4 , and due to those lacking performance , i will not buy ATI board until they get better
Those fixes would be great, but nevertheless they don't represent a deal killer for a lot of people around here who are ready to try another chipset. The desire for a change may not necessarily be because they have a problem with their current NF4 (all the NF* series has been terrific for me) rather they sense much OC fun to be had in the new ATI chipset. For me there is a bonus in supporting competition in the marketplace. Especially now sone Nvidia is so throughly dominating the enthusiast market.Quote:
Originally Posted by xs64
The only issue you raise that really registers with me is the idea that these boards will cost more than a premium NF4 mobo. I remain, as always a cheap b@stard. :D
cost isn't my concern, I want it to be great but if they don't step up soon..
Forget 'em...
I Don't have time to screw around with half ass products...
Looks like some more clarifications are needed....the reference design specifies only Nichicon (black) and Sanyo (purple) caps in the cpu power delivery and memory power delivery sections. All these caps are rated to 105C and of the highest quality. It seems the Sapphire implementation is different.
We have built countless numbers of reference boards and I've never seen one fail as described by xbit labs...even ones running under cascade coolers and ridiculous Vcore.
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Originally Posted by ReelMonza
so great, the good reliable board is the one that we are unable to buy...