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06-15-2005, 05:38 PM
JNav89GT

lol, I have 4 rigs with various UTT, I have some on 24/7 and some that I power cycle.

There are many ways postulated that could kill UTT, and there have been serveral people who thought they had dead sticks only to be experiencing the cold bug.
06-15-2005, 05:38 PM
jiff

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Originally Posted by JNav89GT

Course I think someone made an argument that some failure is to be expected, given the relative untested nature of the modules. While mushkin obviously has an excellent binning system down, they can't control the actual quality of the die process. What concerns me is that people think they are paying a fortune for this ram and are upset when a stick cuts loose. I'm sure I wouldn't be doing the happy dance either, but told one year ago you could buy sticks like these for $250, hell even $350 we'd all be lining up around the corner. Life has a way of spoiling us and taking away our perspective. AT least Mushkin appears to be standing behind their products, which bodes well for their CS given the lynch mob out a few weeks ago about DFI killing memory.

LoL I payed 320 dollars, the joys of living in the UK :slapass:
06-15-2005, 05:39 PM
JNav89GT

yeah that of course sux, EU retailers gouge prices :(
06-15-2005, 05:44 PM
jiff

Quote:

Originally Posted by JNav89GT

lol, I have 4 rigs with various UTT, I have some on 24/7 and some that I power cycle.

There are many ways postulated that could kill UTT, and there have been serveral people who thought they had dead sticks only to be experiencing the cold bug.

Well trust me, its dead.... as a dead thing
:stick:

Well if I killed them I would like to know how :slap:

never flashed bios with them
never ran over 3.4 volts
never ran without lots of active cooling
never ran with 4v j17
never cold booted them
never moved ram or reseated with power to M/B

I have tryed one stick at a time, I have tryed, leave power cord in with 3.3 volts set in bios. This stick died with the PC idle over night, not cold booting.
06-15-2005, 06:12 PM
JNav89GT

I don't think the big toe jumper trick is enough to protect dimms, As voltage approaches the 3.3v line, you get drop out as the vreg is struggling to keep up from what I'm told, ie getting voltage flutter or fluctuation. The voltage fluctuation is probably not good for them.

I am told, if you are using the voltage trick to keep volts 200mv below the 3.3v line, ie 3.1v if ps is 3.3v spot on, or 3.3v if rail is adjusted to 3.5v.
06-15-2005, 06:24 PM
jiff

Quote:

Originally Posted by JNav89GT

I don't think the big toe jumper trick is enough to protect dimms, As voltage approaches the 3.3v line, you get drop out as the vreg is struggling to keep up from what I'm told, ie getting voltage flutter or fluctuation. The voltage fluctuation is probably not good for them.

I am told, if you are using the voltage trick to keep volts 200mv below the 3.3v line, ie 3.1v if ps is 3.3v spot on, or 3.3v if rail is adjusted to 3.5v.

The matter of voltage instabilty still hasnt be answered for me.

If the voltage to the ram is SO unstable as to kill the it with spikes, I dont believe that the controller wouldnt go down first, as has been the case with the vmod on the early NF150 shuttle boards.

My psu 3v rail was running 3.6 volts while my Ram @ 3.4
My 3v rail on the PSU never move with fluke and with software
06-15-2005, 06:32 PM
JNav89GT

ok well scratch that theory then for you. But for others keep that in mind.

Might just be bad luck :(
06-15-2005, 07:14 PM
jiff

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Originally Posted by JNav89GT

ok well scratch that theory then for you. But for others keep that in mind.

Might just be bad luck :(

Touchy
:D

If I read it right your saying keep your PSU rail BELOW the 3.3 Vdimm?

If thats the case it dosent work, it has to be above it by .15/.2 volts
06-17-2005, 07:16 PM
stealth17

i think my redline xp4000 just died. never went above 3.5v, ran 3.4v 24/7 for the past week, had it cooled to -10c so that definatly was not the factor. dont say condensation either as its an air-tight box and nothing else has died ever in the box. that included mobo and video card.

i ran 510-3 bios and was on the 5v rail for memory. the psu is a OCZ powerstream 600watt dual rail.

i have NEVER killed ANY ram on this board. this includeds bh-6 that i ran for a long time at 3.6v 24/7, tccd that i ran 3.1v 24/7, and generic ram.

im warming the box now to open it and do a bunch of testing to see exactly what happened. ive never had cold boot issues on this board and prior to having 3 leds and beeping, everything was set at optimized defaults.

if this is dead im going to rma it to newegg and see what the next set does. if it doesnt amaze me im going back to bh-5 that i can trust.
06-17-2005, 09:19 PM
stealth17

yup...one stick is definatly dead. the other is not. hmmmm
06-18-2005, 05:09 AM
jiff

well thats to of us that heat is NOT the issue, at lest thier RMA service is top notch ;)
06-18-2005, 05:38 AM
Agent-JCDenton

260Mhz 3.34v

A quick test. 260Mhz 3.34v using the vDimm mod

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/najmudd...-2-5_3.34v.jpg

Found out my winnie is holding me back big time, i need 1.70v to get 2.6ghz stable. I've promised to do really bad things to it when my X2 arrives.
06-18-2005, 09:25 AM
stealth17

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Originally Posted by jiff

well thats to of us that heat is NOT the issue, at lest thier RMA service is top notch ;)

yeh if someone says i didnt cool it well enough then they need to stop sitting on their thumb :p:
06-18-2005, 09:47 AM
stealth17

IT LIVES!

it turns out after doing some testing today it just wount boot at load optimized defaults....hmmmmmmm
06-18-2005, 07:21 PM
boostdfd3s

My sticks were revived by the new 618-2 bios! :toast: So very glad my ram isnt dead
06-18-2005, 07:42 PM
jiff

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Originally Posted by boostdfd3s

My sticks were revived by the new 618-2 bios! :toast: So very glad my ram isnt dead

Revived? so both sticks were dead? ie 3/4 leds
06-18-2005, 07:55 PM
Duonger

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Originally Posted by jiff

Revived? so both sticks were dead? ie 3/4 leds

That is great news. I think all these *dead stick* has to do with mobo issues. Whether it is bios or voltage. There are just still too much speculation out there.

As time goes there will be more and solutions.

Duonger
06-19-2005, 09:41 AM
fareastgq

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Originally Posted by stealth17

yup...one stick is definatly dead. the other is not. hmmmm

try bios 2-17, raise up your chipset and ldt volts, set vdimm to 3.5, boot with the good stick, turn off, add the bad stick, let me know if it boots. This may work for u, works for me. bios 5-10-2 = bad imo. guys, unless u pump 3.6+ volts into it, I bet ever single stick or 99% of them are alive. TRY A DIFF BIOS! It's the board and the bios 9/10 I bet. with bios 5-10-2 I was able to reproduce the daed stick syndrome everytime. and everytime I went back, they were fine again.
06-19-2005, 10:07 AM
stealth17

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Originally Posted by fareastgq

try bios 2-17, raise up your chipset and ldt volts, set vdimm to 3.5, boot with the good stick, turn off, add the bad stick, let me know if it boots. This may work for u, works for me. bios 5-10-2 = bad imo. guys, unless u pump 3.6+ volts into it, I bet ever single stick or 99% of them are alive. TRY A DIFF BIOS! It's the board and the bios 9/10 I bet. with bios 5-10-2 I was able to reproduce the daed stick syndrome everytime. and everytime I went back, they were fine again.

will do...thanks. ill let you know.

im on 510-3 though

you guys see that new 6xx series?
06-19-2005, 11:13 AM
stealth17

good call fareastgq

it works.

still woutn boot at stock settings which is a pain in the ass but atleast it works!
06-19-2005, 12:19 PM
jiff

I cant believe it :confused:

I flashed to 618-2 What can I say it WORKS :banana: :banana:

I am eating humble pie, I have said all the way along that this is a chip issue looks like I have been proved wrong.

This wasnt a cold boot problem as Ram crashed while pc was idle, i tryed every trick in the book to get this stick to work. When I reflashed to the above bios bang back to 265 @ 3.4 volts.

Sorry OCZ and Mushkin for being a doubting Thomas, at least I wasnt totaly wrong I did say that Voltage spikes arent killing Ram ;)
06-19-2005, 12:28 PM
wtz54321

Apparently all these dead ram or the cold boot problem can be solved by very high working voltage ... But I don't think that mean the DRAM is 100% healthy if the dram is working good when you receive it but not working after a certain period of time ...
Take a look at my thread about ram death thing ...

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d=1#post919112
06-19-2005, 12:43 PM
stealth17

so the 618 bios kicks ass?
06-19-2005, 01:19 PM
jiff

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Originally Posted by stealth17

so the 618 bios kicks ass?

well seems to, Im priming now @ 265 3.4 volts everything going well so far
;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by wtz54321

Apparently all these dead ram or the cold boot problem can be solved by very high working voltage ... But I don't think that mean the DRAM is 100% healthy if the dram is working good when you receive it but not working after a certain period of time ...
Take a look at my thread about ram death thing ...

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d=1#post919112

I dont buy into that, I have NOT had to put anymore volts through anything. Just a bios flash to 618.2 from hellfire 510.2.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duonger

That is great news. I think all these *dead stick* has to do with mobo issues. Whether it is bios or voltage. There are just still too much speculation out there.

As time goes there will be more and solutions.

Duonger

looks like your right my friend ;)
06-19-2005, 04:44 PM
PicaXuu

A friend of mine is having big trouble to get the Redline 4000 working at 250 2-2-2-5 with a 3500+ Caa2c...

He have already tried bios 510-2 and 510-3 with these settings:

2-2-5-2-7-15-2-2-2-2-3072-01-enb \ incrase scew-0-8-1-07.0-05.0-256-enb-16-7-dis8

Everything he tried, he gets errors on Memtest Test 6...

Any suggestions ???

Thanks,

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