Whoa, it seems that bs is completely removed! I wasnt able to get bs at all, even 350/785 worked without any problems, maybe i need a vmod because with higher frequencies the overclocking tests fail.
Great!
Before (with original 4 6 470 6E caps): bs even at 300/500
A bit better (caps of a damaged 9800pro): bs sometimes at 300/700
Now (SikaRippas caps): no bs at 350/785!
Jeez this is a long thread lol my eyes look like :zombie:
The thing is I got an le ( duh! ) and got a few questions for you experienced modders/benchers! I been running with 1.5v for a couple off months now without problems but I was wondering how many off you have actually seen a card die because off this? I have a fan blowing over the pcb, I remember reading in this thread about those 3 black chips that control core voltage, well without the fan those get to melting temps. Really no kidding there, I forgot to put the fan back once and within an hour the room smelled real funny. Kind off melted plastic combined with eletrical shortcircuiting smell if you know what I mean. But with the fan blowing over it no smell, and they don't even get warm to the touch. So how quick you people recon it will die? Since everyone seems to think it will kill the card?
Secondly, about the black screens, I can play fear 450/880 without problems but when I bench 06 the sm3/hdr tests black out on me even on stock clocks. Now I read about the capacitors and I don't have any off the bad one's described in this thread and every game I play is just fine besides 3dmark06 sm3/hdr tests :confused:
So what do you guys think? Is it a sign my card is dying? And if so why can I play every game still on my for an le insane core clock without problems since I would expect games to behave the same as 06?
I think I can get even higher clocks on the ram with doing the vmod for it, would :banana: if I could get 1ghz ddr :D
Also, I did read the thread but it was a long read and my brains aches almost as much as my eyes do ;) ... so I'll just ask, is there a way to give my core more/(+stable) volts so I might increase bench clocks?
Anyway this thread rocks :toast:
hm, i have zalman fatality and i have core at 445 at 1.5v... on 450 perfomance are droping... the highest known stable frequencie for core on air cooling is 450mhz so that's the highest you can go... about memory.... i have 445/860 for a while, but when i've installed 3dma06 and run tests, black screen has appered also on hdr tests... now the bs frequencie is near stock speeds.... i have extra capacitor, without it, i only could reach stock speads on memory... tomorrow i'm going to do ultimate mod... hm, you must know what type of memory chips you have.... 2.2ns, 2.4 or 2.8ns.... if you have 2.2, the highest you frequencie is 950... but that is on 2.8v, so you should do vmod.... what score have you got on 3dmark05? the highest i had was 5150....Quote:
Originally Posted by MartianInvader
My orb name is me_Westmaas
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dm05=1616091
And looks like I got a wr core then since I can bench 460 ;)
I did notice that the sweet spot appears to be between 450-460 since I got lower scores with 460 then on some lower clocks. What do you think about my blackscreens in 06? Since they only appear there and not while playing fear,hl2,hl2 lc, DoD ect it might not be a normal bs problem?
ABOUT the core, you went behind it's limits.... you have lower score because of artifacts that you can't see, so, my advice is that you set frequencie back to 445 and than go +1 and see on what frequencie you have the best score... about 3dmark06... i don't know, cause my card was good at 860 in 3dmark05 and other games, but after i have run 3dmark06 and failed few times, my bs frequencie has appered also in 3dmark05 even on 800mhz... so, it taKES TIME for bs to ''grow up''.... now i must do ultimate mod... hm, but maybe the problem is in 3dmark06 cause our card don't support shader 3.0...i think... first and second test are ok... right? we should ask sikarippa for his oppinion...Quote:
Originally Posted by MartianInvader
Nice you succeeded quite well with modding :up:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sidolin
So, the soldering quality/old (ruined?) capacitors has to be to the reason your previous mod was not working properly (?).
Hi MartianInvader,
Yep, it is quite long ;) However, almost all relevant information is collected to post #1 (except some unposted measurement results & new info obtained from newest posts)Quote:
Originally Posted by MartianInvader
There have been some (few?) reports in this forum that a high Vcore value (1.4 V ->) has killed card (i.e. those black chips=MOSFET's have burn). Since, many have reported using e.g 1.5 V Core 24/7 without problems, the risk to get chips burn HAS to be related cooling (or are they are using better MOSFET's in some cards ??). If you chips are now cool enough I think 1.5 is OK. BUT higher voltage and current (temperature INSIDE chips) allways make the lifetime of chips shorter. How much - very hard to give any approximations.Quote:
The thing is I got an le ( duh! ) and got a few questions for you experienced modders/benchers! I been running with 1.5v for a couple off months now without problems but I was wondering how many off you have actually seen a card die because off this? I have a fan blowing over the pcb, I remember reading in this thread about those 3 black chips that control core voltage, well without the fan those get to melting temps. Really no kidding there, I forgot to put the fan back once and within an hour the room smelled real funny. Kind off melted plastic combined with eletrical shortcircuiting smell if you know what I mean. But with the fan blowing over it no smell, and they don't even get warm to the touch. So how quick you people recon it will die? Since everyone seems to think it will kill the card?
'BS-propability' varies A LOT between programs/games. E.g. almost all BS-affected cards fail with HL2 BUT usually can run Doom 3, although D3 provides quite heavy 3D-load. The difference has to be related to mechanism how to program utilizes memory i.e. the program should be able to write/read a HUGE amount data to video memory in a very short period. More precisely I assume BS happens in the case when memory usage increases extremely rapid manner from idle state to ~100 % load.Quote:
Secondly, about the black screens, I can play fear 450/880 without problems but when I bench 06 the sm3/hdr tests black out on me even on stock clocks. Now I read about the capacitors and I don't have any off the bad one's described in this thread and every game I play is just fine besides 3dmark06 sm3/hdr tests :confused:
So what do you guys think? Is it a sign my card is dying? And if so why can I play every game still on my for an le insane core clock without problems since I would expect games to behave the same as 06?
Have you tested 'SkiAlpine'-demo, how easily you get BS with that one ?
I think I can get even higher clocks on the ram with doing the vmod for it, would :banana: if I could get 1ghz ddr :D
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Some users have been reported quite high values after Vmod e.g. here:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ad.php?t=62651
.. the value of course depends on which the memory chips you have as 'jlovrek' already mentioned.
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Also, I did read the thread but it was a long read and my brains aches almost as much as my eyes do ;) ... so I'll just ask, is there a way to give my core more/(+stable) volts so I might increase bench clocks?
Anyway this thread rocks :toast:
I think having core frequency ~450 MHz is very near limit you can ever get, at least it is much higher than a mean value. So, having BS etc. problems within that frequency is quite 'normal'. What memory frequencies you were using in that case ? A high memory frequency is usually dominating factor to get BS.Quote:
I did notice that the sweet spot appears to be between 450-460 since I got lower scores with 460 then on some lower clocks. What do you think about my blackscreens in 06? Since they only appear there and not while playing fear,hl2,hl2 lc, DoD ect it might not be a normal bs problem?
What brand you card is, GW ? What codes you have top of 'green' capacitors (e.g. "4 3 470 6e") ?
SikaRippa
I'm sure that without the extra fan on the pcb my card would have deid already since the smell I described earlier. And probably it will shorten lifespan, but I didn't plan on keeping the card that long anyway, looking forward to the new dx10 cards so people with X1800/X1900 will sell me them cheap ;)
Ski alpine does not trigger a bs, no matter what clocks. I can do 930 on the ram with that demo but slight artifacts.
Idk ns of ram, got ram hs on them and don't want to remove them atm, I wrote it down somewhere but can't remember where I left that. I think I had 2.6ns but not 100% sure.
Brand I got is Leadtek A400LE tdh ( idk what tdh means? )... BS on 3dmark06 happens with every clock, stock also blacks out that's the strange part! HL2, FEAR, DoD ect all have no problems, but sm3/hdr tests in 06 bs all the time. I can run the HL2 Lost Coast demo with 420-880 ( lower core due to enourmous heat builtup with hdr, also in NFSMW with HDR on temp goes up way faster then without HDR.
I will check back today with the cap numbers, I'm on laptop now ;)
ok guys, i have really good news! i i've replaced caps and installed the one that gave me sikarippa, and everything is OK... i don't have BS at all, even in quake3 when i run /timedemo1, /demo demo001 ... my frequencies are 445/880, after that i've got artifacts in 3dmark05... i have passed all tests in 3dmark05, 3dmark06, quake3arena demos with timedemo function.... usually, i've got black screen in quake3 after 2 seconds on every speed that is higher then stock (i'm talking about memory...) juhhhhuuuu, my card is BS FREEEE! Thank you very much sikarippa.... i'm going to buy some stamps this week and send it to you with old caps... once again, thank you!!!!
Yep, that is true: these cards do not need to work too long - nobody will be interesting about 6800le cards after some years (or even months...). That might be the most important reason why *they* have designed such poor devices.Quote:
Originally Posted by MartianInvader
It is quite interesting you have problems only with a few cases. Your experiment indicates that 3dmark06/sm3/hdr test could be the HARDEST hardware test so far, thank you for info !!Quote:
Ski alpine does not trigger a bs, no matter what clocks. I can do 930 on the ram with that demo but slight artifacts.
Idk ns of ram, got ram hs on them and don't want to remove them atm, I wrote it down somewhere but can't remember where I left that. I think I had 2.6ns but not 100% sure.
Brand I got is Leadtek A400LE tdh ( idk what tdh means? )... BS on 3dmark06 happens with every clock, stock also blacks out that's the strange part! HL2, FEAR, DoD ect all have no problems, but sm3/hdr tests in 06 bs all the time. I can run the HL2 Lost Coast demo with 420-880 ( lower core due to enourmous heat builtup with hdr, also in NFSMW with HDR on temp goes up way faster then without HDR.
Thank you beforehand :) Leadtek cards have been working so far quite well, at least when compared to GW/MSI/.. I have been proposed (all?) these cards will be ruined/BS-affected before end of normal life time of electronic device. The reason why different cards (manufacturers& versions) get ruined more quicky is due to different component characteristics ('green' C136 & C143 capacitors AND feedback component values)Quote:
I will check back today with the cap numbers, I'm on laptop now ;)
Have a nice BS-free gaming :toast:Quote:
ok guys, i have really good news! i i've replaced caps and installed the one that gave me sikarippa, and everything is OK... i don't have BS at all, even in quake3 when i run /timedemo1, /demo demo001 ... my frequencies are 445/880, after that i've got artifacts in 3dmark05... i have passed all tests in 3dmark05, 3dmark06, quake3arena demos with timedemo function.... usually, i've got black screen in quake3 after 2 seconds on every speed that is higher then stock (i'm talking about memory...) juhhhhuuuu, my card is BS FREEEE! Thank you very much sikarippa.... i'm going to buy some stamps this week and send it to you with old caps... once again, thank you!!!!
And thanks beforehand to getting old caps. I have soon quite impressive collecting of ruined CV-EX -capacitors :D
Late update but here goes:
Cap = 47 470 6e
Ram = 2.4ns ( found the piece off paper I wrote this down on :) )
So caps are those which can be affected after time. Must have misread it the first time because I posted I didn't have bs affected caps. Think it explains 06 sm3/hdr tests giving blackout. Still wondering why HL2, DoD, Doom3, CSsource, FEAR ect all run strong? Maybe it's a slow sign of the card dying ( and forcing me to upgrade which on its own isn't bad ;) )
i'm wondering how you can have so high clocks on memory? do you have vmod? hm, i think that sikarippa found out that with higher memory frequencies the chance for bs is higher...so, maybe just set down your memory clocks and then try 3dmark06... but fore sure, bs will be more often with the time.... the final result will be: ULTIMATE MOD!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by MartianInvader
Well it does give slight artefacts above 900 when gaming, but no I did not do the vmod ( yet! am asking for S_A_V to repost his pics off how he did the mod, would be easier for me when I could see them. I got the fan wire and some 20K vr's which I intended to use for mods on my mobo but I can spare them ;) )Quote:
Originally Posted by jlovrek
And about backing down... I posted earlier that even with 300/700 8/4 the sm3/hdr tests black out :(
Thanks for info !Quote:
Originally Posted by MartianInvader
2.4 ns memories, sure ? There are 2, 2.2, 2.5, 2.8 ns memories, but I have not heard 2.4 ns bofore (maybe new version?).
Something is wrong indeed with that Leadtek version you have ("4 7 470 6E"). In the case of having artefacts at high OC-level the performance is memory speed limited (Vmem mod might help) not the regulator of the card (=causes BS). So, getting artefacts more easily than BS indicates card is not badly BS-affected. That could explain why you can run HL2 etc. without problems. Maybe 3dmark06 sm3/hdr test is the most hardest test so far - and therefore gives BS also in your case. I'll try out 3dmark06 myself later ((My CPU is soooo slow that propably I am not able to run the mark at all :( ))
I replied already to that thread ;)Quote:
Well it does give slight artefacts above 900 when gaming, but no I did not do the vmod ( yet! am asking for S_A_V to repost his pics off how he did the mod, would be easier for me when I could see them. I got the fan wire and some 20K vr's which I intended to use for mods on my mobo but I can spare them )
And about backing down... I posted earlier that even with 300/700 8/4 the sm3/hdr tests black out
Probably would be 2.5ns then can't read my own handwriting :S
Still benchable 950 with arti's but hoping for more tomorrow after vmod :D
can you post your bios? sikarippa, do you have some bios with relaxed timings cause the highest clock i can achieve is 870 withous artifacts...Quote:
Originally Posted by MartianInvader
Do you want the original bios or the modded one I am using atm? I am running 1.5vcore with modded bios, also bios clocks are set to 400/800, removing hassle to oc when transfering mobo's ( rt used for higher oc's )?Quote:
Originally Posted by jlovrek
Must notice that with relaxed timings it will not help you when you got a few extra mhz on the ram imho, the timings will rule out all gain. Btw, I don't think you could use my bios unless you also got a leadtek A400le tdh.
Yeah, with 0.05V higher vmem i can get up to 890mhz without Bs, only the core doesnt go any higher than 350. Any hints for the core?
Btw. how many stamps do i need from germany to findland? I want to send sikarippa my old capacitors but i dont know how much it is :)
I'm doing the vmem mod now, but it isn't working ( eg turning vr knob doesn't change vref readout must be bad contacts either tp13 or tp14 :( )
both of them... or just right me the timings you have... and what mem clocks you can have without artifacts...?Quote:
Originally Posted by MartianInvader
Artifact free depends on what I'm running. In benching it's around 900 depending on temps, gaming is around 880 100% ( even for hours gaming it's still good ). Atleast these are my day to day settings. And yes 900 without artifacts mean 950 while benching looks... pixelated ;)
I mostly play 440/900, but if after some hours I see some arti's I back down ram to 880 and it's fine after that.
I will post timings when I'm done doing vmem mod, is giving me allot off pain. It seems that no matter what I turn my vr I always get 3.32vmem with vr in place, when I take it out it goes back to 2.74vmem ( stock! )... Wondering I can bench 3.32vmem cause off active cooling and cold weather today so can see also if bs goes away in 06 with more volts.
ok almost killed the card with 3.3Xv :(
Was alright as desktop but when switching to 3d instantly screen got garbeld up real bad. Reset pc, didn't boot. Took out vc, out in 9600pro booted fine. Put vc in old sempron rig, didn't boot. Thought last chanche, put back in A64 rig and booted fine. Treid some nfsmw, screen looked horrible quit game, check settings and mem was still at 980mhz, took down to 900 and started game again and everything was fine.
However, I think I might have killed my max oc because I got a bs on nfsmw at 920... only one so far but still bad because only bs I had before was with 3dmark06.
@jlovrek
I would give you my bios but it's a diffrent bios ( manufacturer ) so you would be stupid if you'd use it. I can post a screenshot off the timings with nibitor tomorrow but not today to bussy and on the main rig not internet atm so can't dl nibitor :)
I am using default bios, so I wonder no need to post it.. Anyway, I think timing setting tweaking can not be used to remove artefacts, but get some boost in the case (frequencies) memories still working properly. What is the speed of you memory chips ? Maybe 870 MHz is (hard) limit of your chips, Vmem mod *might* help little bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by jlovrek
A different supply voltage is used/suggested for the memory chips having different speed specs (page 3):
http://www.hynix.com/datasheet/pdf/d...F(Rev.0.7).pdf
.. e.g. 2.8 V for 450 MHz (=> 900 MHz)
There is something terribly wrong with mod when you get Vmem of 3.3 V :slobber: I suggest to remove mod ASAP, since that voltage level is dangerous to card !!Quote:
Originally Posted by MartianInvader
What is resistance you have above you Vres ? ((How about resistance between TP's when Vres removed ?)) Having Vmem of 3.3 V is obtained with very low value of resistance (much lower than ~ 1 kilo ohm). Is it possible that you have made a short by mistake somewhere in PCB ?