DFI UT X58-T3EH8 continued - Part 2

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07-22-2009, 03:42 AM
Razer(x)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam_oslo

Choose Vcore=VVT=1.28v at load, just to test for now. You may try different Vcore too (acording to your cooling) but try to keep VVT near Vcore at load (as discussed a few posts earlier).

Don't forget to post screen-shots of your results. I will be gone for the rest av today but i will look at them later.

Damn, you was right, i've done 2-3 test with your configuration. The vtt was too high, now i'ts 1.24v and vcore is 1.23v. OCCT is running by 15 mins :eek:

Why nobody has never talked about this vcore problem before?

PS: I'll post the screen after this test.

Here it is. (i've stopped the test manually) vtt is 1.26v

http://www.pctunerup.com/up/results/...2141610_sf.jpg

CAS 8 is stable. Gotta try CAS 7
07-22-2009, 04:45 AM
ci2kla

Quote:

Originally Posted by Razer(x)

Damn, you was right, i've done 2-3 test with your configuration. The vtt was too high, now i'ts 1.24v and vcore is 1.23v. OCCT is running by 15 mins :eek:

Why nobody has never talked about this vcore problem before?

PS: I'll post the screen after this test.

Here it is. (i've stopped the test manually) vtt is 1.26v

http://www.pctunerup.com/up/results/...2141610_sf.jpg

CAS 8 is stable. Gotta try CAS 7

Good job m8 :up:
07-22-2009, 05:01 AM
Razer(x)

Quote:

Originally Posted by ci2kla

Good job m8 :up:

Ehm, there's a problem. Unstable after reboot :ROTF::bs: but if i load optimized and i set it like it was before it's stable

i'm not joking :(
07-22-2009, 07:02 AM
ci2kla

Quote:

Originally Posted by Razer(x)

Ehm, there's a problem. Unstable after reboot :ROTF::bs: but if i load optimized and i set it like it was before it's stable

i'm not joking :(

Like someone said you should check your DRAM Timing everytime you boot and see if there's any difference.........to be honest I have never experianced any issues like yours.... :shrug:
07-22-2009, 07:13 AM
Praz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Razer(x)

Ehm, there's a problem. Unstable after reboot :ROTF::bs: but if i load optimized and i set it like it was before it's stable

i'm not joking :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by ci2kla

to be honest I have never experianced any issues like yours.... :shrug:

This is the problem. Some boards have absolutely no issues and can compete at the top against any other board made. But others, and there are far too many of them, amount to nothing more then a circle-jerk for the user. In this situation the best one can do for 24/7 use is try to keep max memory speed somewhere around 1600 and lower the CPU speed until stability is repeatable. These settings don't eliminate the board issue but with less stress on the memory and CPU the problem is more easily tolerated.
07-22-2009, 07:21 AM
ci2kla

Quote:

Originally Posted by Praz

This is the problem. Some boards have absolutely no issues and can compete at the top against any other board made. But others, and there are far too many of them, amount to nothing more then a circle-jerk for the user. In this situation the best one can do for 24/7 use is try to keep max memory speed somewhere around 1600 and lower the CPU speed until stability is repeatable. These settings don't eliminate the board issue but with less stress on the memory and CPU the problem is more easily tolerated.

Actually I'm curious if anyone swap his memory to elpida hyper and the issue is gone....
P.S. Currently Priming blend @ 228 bclk....QPI Enabled, Cold boot

http://i317.photobucket.com/albums/m...an/X58/228.png
07-22-2009, 07:50 AM
Praz

Quote:

Originally Posted by ci2kla

Actually I'm curious if anyone swap his memory to elpida hyper and the issue is gone....

With D0 processors I can't get higher then 1900 memory speed for repeated stability. With C0s it's just about plug n' play.
07-22-2009, 11:15 AM
ph0b0s

Sorry if this has been asked before but due to DFI's bios naming convension (or lack of) this is difficult to search for. Just updated my LANPARTY UT X58-T3eH8 motherboard with the bios 06/19 / LX58D619.bin (not beta). After this upgrade, whenever I tell Vista to restart, press crtl + alt + del at boot or exit the bios, the whole system will power off for 4 - 5 seconds. Then the power restarts and the system boots.

I assume that this is part of the bios upgrade, but just want to check that others are seeing the same thing when using the same bios. Before the upgrade the motherboard appears to be powered even during restarts, bios changes etc. The only time I had seen this before was when changing the JMB363 controler bios setting from 'enabled' to 'disabled'.

At the moment the bios is set to all default settings and gives the same behaviour.

Anyway, anyone else getting this?
Spec:
I7 965 @3.8ghz (default voltage)
6GB OCZ Platimun @ 1333 1N 6-6-6-20 1.605v
UT X58-T3eH8
x2 GTX 285 @ 700 mhz
Audigy 4
Vista Home Premium x64
07-22-2009, 11:21 AM
Razer(x)

We need a new bios, for sure.
07-22-2009, 01:42 PM
merlin76

Quote:

Originally Posted by ph0b0s

Sorry if this has been asked before but due to DFI's bios naming convension (or lack of) this is difficult to search for. Just updated my LANPARTY UT X58-T3eH8 motherboard with the bios 06/19 / LX58D619.bin (not beta). After this upgrade, whenever I tell Vista to restart, press crtl + alt + del at boot or exit the bios, the whole system will power off for 4 - 5 seconds. Then the power restarts and the system boots. [...]

This only happens if VT is enabled in BIOS. Disable it and the board will reboot without shutting down. In my eyes it's a bad hack to make shure CPUs are locked and not a clean implementation. Hopefully it's getting fixed with another BIOS release, along with other issues like Win7 multi issue.
07-22-2009, 02:18 PM
Sam_oslo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Razer(x)

Damn, you was right, i've done 2-3 test with your configuration. The vtt was too high, now i'ts 1.24v and vcore is 1.23v. OCCT is running by 15 mins :eek:

Why nobody has never talked about this vcore problem before?

PS: I'll post the screen after this test.

Here it is. (i've stopped the test manually) vtt is 1.26v

http://www.pctunerup.com/up/results/...2141610_sf.jpg

CAS 8 is stable. Gotta try CAS 7

This is a good start. Keep the RAM on CAS8 for now. keep your RAM loose for now, you can trim/fix your RAM later.

Your MB may have the after-reboot-issue, but I don't have Enoch info. to conclude your MB is the problem. Don't give up on your MB yet, and try again .

Your screen-shot is a good start, but it would be easier to diagnose the problem if it could show more info, make a screen-shot as close as this one:
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/9934/occt15min.th.jpg
07-22-2009, 02:38 PM
ph0b0s

Quote:

Originally Posted by merlin76

This only happens if VT is enabled in BIOS. Disable it and the board will reboot without shutting down. In my eyes it's a bad hack to make shure CPUs are locked and not a clean implementation. Hopefully it's getting fixed with another BIOS release, along with other issues like Win7 multi issue.

Thanks that did the trick. Might be a useful thing at somepoints though as another pain with this motherboard is when trying to install a new bios from a usb memory stick. Only after power is cut and restored to the motherboard is the usb stick detected before boot up. With the power reset at restart the USB stick is picked up each time and can be booted from.

But it is nice to know how to turn the power reset at restart off again.....

Thanks again...
07-22-2009, 03:32 PM
Razer(x)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sam_oslo

This is a good start. Keep the RAM on CAS8 for now. keep your RAM loose for now, you can trim/fix your RAM later.

Your MB may have the after-reboot-issue, but I don't have Enoch info. to conclude your MB is the problem. Don't give up on your MB yet, and try again .

Your screen-shot is a good start, but it would be easier to diagnose the problem if it could show more info, make a screen-shot as close as this one:
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/9934/occt15min.th.jpg

Ok i will, but SG gaves wrong voltages :)

However, so, what to do? :D check the latencies?
07-22-2009, 05:29 PM
ci2kla

Guys I found that my board don't like high IOH/ICH 1.1 voltage...228 bclk prime freezed up after 7 hrs blend. If rise to 1.2v will get nearly instant freeze. Do you think clock skews is necessary in i7?........
07-23-2009, 01:32 AM
Factotum

my first test new ram - G.Skill Trident in work :up:

http://22kjta.bay.livefilestore.com/...-8hr_prime.png
07-23-2009, 03:28 PM
Sam_oslo

Check it out:
w3520 @5.72GHZ (212x27 :p:), CPU-Z validated :)
http://valid.canardpc.com/cache/banner/614790.png

EDIT:
This was so fun/funny that it deserves its own threat http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=230369
07-24-2009, 11:43 AM
Peen

Well heat was my problem. built a WC loop and priming 4.4Ghz 1.4ish volts 3.8ghz Uncore and 1.30vtt

with lower temps then my air cooling at 4ghz 1.28v
07-24-2009, 08:45 PM
ci2kla

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peen

Well heat was my problem. built a WC loop and priming 4.4Ghz 1.4ish volts 3.8ghz Uncore and 1.30vtt

with lower temps then my air cooling at 4ghz 1.28v

haha seems OCing i7 WC is a must:D
07-25-2009, 03:02 AM
Razer(x)

Quote:

Originally Posted by ci2kla

haha seems OCing i7 WC is a must:D

For mobo too?
07-25-2009, 03:05 AM
rioja

for vcore >1.35 only active airflow
with watercooling u'll get >80C on pwm
07-25-2009, 09:08 AM
Razer(x)

Ok so, i have no problems with cpu @3.6 and ram @1200mhz (default voltages except for the vcore 1.1v), but i have if i set the cpu to 4ghz, damn

I've tried increasing vcore and vtt but nothing to do
07-25-2009, 10:06 PM
ci2kla

Quote:

Originally Posted by Razer(x)

Ok so, i have no problems with cpu @3.6 and ram @1200mhz (default voltages except for the vcore 1.1v), but i have if i set the cpu to 4ghz, damn

I've tried increasing vcore and vtt but nothing to do

Just clam down a try the settings step by step and that should work out....:)
07-26-2009, 12:47 AM
rioja

for me with 200x21 and dram 1600 8-8-8-24 board was absulutely stable

so i would suggest for the beginning test
200x19 1600 8-8-8-24 cpu/vtt 1.35 dram 1.65

and after that set multi to 20 or 21 and test again
07-26-2009, 05:55 AM
Razer(x)

Quote:

Originally Posted by rioja

for me with 200x21 and dram 1600 8-8-8-24 board was absulutely stable

so i would suggest for the beginning test
200x19 1600 8-8-8-24 cpu/vtt 1.35 dram 1.65

and after that set multi to 20 or 21 and test again

The pc is stable @3.8ghz 1.24v vtt and ram @ 1600 mhz CAS 8. I've set the cpu-tweaker latencies in the bios too, so it could not change them.

Now gotta try CAS 7
07-26-2009, 08:24 AM
Peen

Haha so I WAS 4.4Ghz stable but right when there is light to no load on the CPU it crashes. Works fine in Prime and WCG, etc. Even tried manually setting the voltage to stay high

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