AMD Shanghai/Deneb Review Thread

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12-19-2008, 11:55 AM
Zucker2k

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Originally Posted by charged3800z24

I wanna see some benchable OCs so far we have seen and heard from trusted guys, that Phenom II has run 6ghz time demo of crysis, now before you say, Crysis, Bla, not even worthy, bla bla.. does anyone have a link to such proof of these high clocked Intel chips @ 6ghz+. I don't go visit the Intel side much so I have no idea what is tue or fake or etc.

Best evidence of any capabilities is to go on the ORB, and other such benching database sites. I know Fugger did some demos last year, there should be videos. Nothing in the 6ghz range for quads mind you; but at the time, they were impressive and Fugger scored something like 4 world records in 4 minutes or so. :shrug:
12-19-2008, 12:12 PM
roofsniper

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Originally Posted by Zucker2k

The numbers we're seeing from Deneb are amazing for the simple fact that it's a huge leap in frequency from the last gen offering. No doubt about that. If AMD can improve on this (like 7Ghz) overclocks, they can win a lot of enthusiasts back. But that is to assume that Intel won't improveon their current offerings either, which would be dumb. The fight as I see it, is going to be who can shrink their cores even more and how much they can put on a die; unfortunately Intel is ahead to the 32nm process. If AMD can stage in a coup by surprising Intel with speed and even ipc efficiency, then that'll be fun to watch. Hopefully, I'm wrong and AM3 Deneb is a 7Ghz monster chip, because that is what it's going to take to compete.

personally these 6ghz and 7ghz things don't really amaze me that much. why? because im not gonna be running them 24/7 on ln2 on a bench system pumping so many volts through the thing that it won't last a year. a 4ghz on air amazes me much more than 6.3ghz on ln2. as i have said before it appears the only way amd can take the perform crown from intel this time would be if they can manage high overclocks. and on air or liquid not on ln2 or dice. from the leaked and not legit performance results i have seen before i7 outperforms it on stock but we can't trust these numbers. now if phenom II can overclock better than i7 then it might turn heads. personally i don't see amd outperforming i7 with this chip but i see it getting close to even if you take OCs into consideration. but no matter how good phenom II is amd is still gonna be screwed since the demand for chips is so low at this point. it could blow i7 out of the water but i bet they would still be in the red.
12-19-2008, 12:39 PM
knopflerbruce

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Originally Posted by Calmatory

Might find this interesting.

Waiting for 45nm AMD Duaies with a tad more mature process.

I don't see the need for a more mature process when we already have 6ghz++ Deneb on LN2. These chips are still new, I can't remember any K8 chips that had better ES's than retail chips. Who knows what kind of numbers we'll see when the good ones hit the shelves:D
12-19-2008, 01:05 PM
msimax

im very happy with what amd is doing now. ppl complained it couldnt clock high enuff, now pll argue with a strait face that AMD and 6GHZ in the same sentence isnt a mile stone. but with this chip i see them catching up pretty quickly in the near future. im still debating my next system regardless of what is its, the point is to make sure you have fun with it your going to be alittle poorer afterwards:up:

stop all the unwanted bickering that turns this forum to :banana::banana::banana::banana:
12-19-2008, 01:12 PM
roofsniper

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Originally Posted by msimax

ppl complained it couldnt clock high enuff, now pll argue with a strait face that AMD and 6GHZ in the same sentence isnt a mile stone.

its a milestone but it doesn't really mean anything. since most of the people buying it will never use ln2.
12-19-2008, 01:35 PM
Halk

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Originally Posted by ajaidev

If one god in the x86 game goes bye bye the other god will hike up prices so up the arse and slow development that the next generation processors will come in the 29th century.

That's not such a bad thing.

Multi cores, more cache, faster clocks, etc etc just encourage Microsoft to bloat their OS and programmers to use lazy high level code that's horribly inefficient.

If we were all still using 486s imagine how efficient things would be!

(I don't really mean it ;P)
12-19-2008, 01:39 PM
Calmatory

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Originally Posted by Halk

That's not such a bad thing.

Multi cores, more cache, faster clocks, etc etc just encourage Microsoft to bloat their OS and programmers to use lazy high level code that's horribly inefficient.

If we were all still using 486s imagine how efficient things would be!

(I don't really mean it ;P)

Honestly, nowadays your average 3 GHz machine is struggling while it scrolls some text and pixels in browser. Back in the days things like scrollers and sprites were written in pure assembly and ran @ 120 FPS with 1,2 MHz CPU. :shrug:

All hail bloat! :(
12-19-2008, 01:40 PM
LC_Nab

Indeed it was a nice movie ^ ^and dont spank me with a stick : ( . Any ways lets get back to the deben reviews and lets stop the troll wars please , Id like more reviews and more benchies plus game scores too , And you have a good point after all in the end Intel needs AMD and AMD needs Intel . And to be hones I havent seen you say anything constructive about the new deneb chip Calmatory all ive seen is flames and Vs , and thats not constructive .

Still back to topic please !!!!! +1
12-19-2008, 06:42 PM
JohnJohn

http://www.gameware.ir/phenom2/benchmarks/
12-19-2008, 07:00 PM
Caveman787

can anyone verify those benches?

because they were viewed with skepticism before.
12-19-2008, 07:41 PM
roofsniper

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Originally Posted by Caveman787

can anyone verify those benches?

because they were viewed with skepticism before.

i wish that italian guy was here because those are fake. they are scaled completely perfectly and each graph is pretty much the same. in real world situations it wouldn't be that way.
12-19-2008, 08:31 PM
Chad Boga

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Originally Posted by JohnJohn

http://www.gameware.ir/phenom2/benchmarks/

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Originally Posted by Caveman787

can anyone verify those benches?

because they were viewed with skepticism before.

Do people think these benchmarks are legit?
12-19-2008, 08:36 PM
flippin_waffles

Some dude over on [H] forums just had a stray bird drop him off a PhII 945 AM3. Says a mobo is also inbound and can maybe post something...

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread....post1033477935
12-19-2008, 08:36 PM
G0ldBr1ck

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Originally Posted by Chad Boga

Do people think these benchmarks are legit?

I realy dont know, can you tell us some good reasoning why you think they are not?

I think they no longer have one if they realy did to begin with cause they let the smoke out.......tsk tsk...........:rofl:
http://www.gameware.ir/phenom2/bench...ia/phenom2.jpg

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Originally Posted by flippin_waffles

Some dude over on [H] forums just had a stray bird drop him off a PhII 945 AM3. Says a mobo is also inbound and can maybe post something...

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread....post1033477935

ewwww! I hope that dude is willing to spill the beans
12-19-2008, 08:39 PM
roofsniper

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Originally Posted by flippin_waffles

Some dude over on [H] forums just had a stray bird drop him off a PhII 945 AM3. Says a mobo is also inbound and can maybe post something...

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread....post1033477935

ehhhh ill watch it but i don't think the phenom 945s are even ready yet. at best they would just have engineering samples.
12-19-2008, 08:50 PM
flippin_waffles

Yeah I wondered about that. Probably ES, but I thought the 945 was only launching 1 month later than the 940 and 920 I thought. If yes, they might have a decent stock pile building now.

I also need a bird. Maybe i'll have to get a homing pigeon!
12-19-2008, 08:51 PM
roofsniper

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Originally Posted by flippin_waffles

Yeah I wondered about that. Probably ES, but I thought the 945 was only launching 1 month later than the 940 and 920 I thought. If yes, they might have a decent stock pile building now.

I also need a bird. Maybe i'll have to get a homing pigeon!

the phenom 945 is listed for q2 2009.
12-19-2008, 08:55 PM
Ashraf

Chad Boga is temporarily banned. This is not the place to troll and flamebait. Keep AMD vs Intel discussions or "AMD can't beat Intel" out of this thread.

Please stay on topic.
12-19-2008, 09:16 PM
flippin_waffles

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Originally Posted by roofsniper

the phenom 945 is listed for q2 2009.

Ah, ok. Well perhaps a grain or two of salt is on the menu. :shrug:
12-19-2008, 09:20 PM
roofsniper

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Originally Posted by flippin_waffles

Ah, ok. Well perhaps a grain or two of salt is on the menu. :shrug:

well i find it very odd. http://en.expreview.com/2008/11/17/n...rocessors.html look. all the other am3 cpus are listed for February. i can't see a reason why the 945 would come so late unless they were having problems with it. which wouldn't make much sense either since it should be the same as the other am3 chips but at a slightly higher clock which will already be achieved by the am2+ version by then.
12-19-2008, 10:26 PM
LC_Nab

Ok its the 20th 2:45 am my time lets see those Benchies please :D
12-20-2008, 01:59 AM
The PyroPath

According to Crisler(AMD Focus Group Chairman) over at rage3D NDA is not lifted today/yesterday but still the 8th of januari 2009...:mad::(
12-20-2008, 02:22 AM
justapost

testing Phenom II X4 940 on MSI 790GX

http://www.ocxtreme.org/forumenus/showthread.php?t=4302
12-20-2008, 07:02 AM
Caveman787

http://www.ocxtreme.org/forumenus/showthread.php?t=4302

Thought this might be some new benches people havn't seen yet.
12-20-2008, 07:14 AM
charged3800z24

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Originally Posted by roofsniper

well i find it very odd. http://en.expreview.com/2008/11/17/n...rocessors.html look. all the other am3 cpus are listed for February. i can't see a reason why the 945 would come so late unless they were having problems with it. which wouldn't make much sense either since it should be the same as the other am3 chips but at a slightly higher clock which will already be achieved by the am2+ version by then.

might be waiting on the boards to mature.

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