Been waitin a long time for this board. thanks TONY!
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Been waitin a long time for this board. thanks TONY!
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Originally Posted by Zucker2k
every board loosens up timings but the 975. most notably the 680i. The key is finding a balance between the clocks and the timings. Which the RD600 may or may not have done.
We won't really know until it gets into the hands of extreme overclockers.
anandtech sure didn't wet its pants for this board.
Anandtech couldn't wet their Pants if they were on the Pi$$ for a week! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by palese
anandtech said they couldn't remove the northbridge heatsink.
My first impression is that they're idiots, it looks the same as the ASUS P5W DH one, just with extra clips. The extra clips would allow me to use the waterblock I have. It's 20F outside, my radiator is mounted in my window, so the added heat in the water is really no worry to me. I can already run orthos at 3.6 GHz, 1.55v, at 45c with the pump and rad fans turned down. Especially since I already paid for the block, so I would like to use it when I get this board.
Are they right, that it's actually not possible to remove it?
:D :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Kin Hell
Idiots is a little strong there mate, Gary who did the review on anandtech is also a member here and has been posting quite a bit in this thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thasp
I think you should edit your post there before i do it for you, and think before you post in future as thats a blatant flame.
The heatsink does come off, its real tight though...this may have been Bingo13's problem thats all.
Thasp, please watch the insults, comments like that do not go un-noticed here. As minor as it may seem, you are addressing a highly respected member here.
There is cement like TIM compounds available today, I have other boards with the same stuff under the sinks.
I thought Gary did a great job on that preview. He also proved to me that he is very conscientious in his remarks here.
Although the RD600 numbering scheme gives the impression of being developed after the other chipsets, it was actually developed alongside the RD480 chipset and shares much of its heritage with that design instead of the newer RD580. It does share the Xpress II link design with the RD580 as well as sporting additional PCI Express lanes over the RD480 design but not enough for dual x16 graphics. In fact, this chipset has been heavily revised over the course of the last year and is on its fourth core revision but it only offers dual x8 PCI Express capability instead of dual x16. The performance difference at this time between dual x8 and x16 CrossFire capable boards is minimal at best, but this could potentially change with the upcoming R600 video card release. While the x8/x16 difference might be important to some, for the majority of users we still recommend buying the fastest single card available based on cost to performance ratios.
Some will say it doesn't matter. But to this forum it does matter. Many who buy this M/B here will use in XF. If R600 pushes 2x pci-8 slots to limit and 2x16x pci-e slots is superior in performance . And you bought this board for that reason . The disappointment here would be great.
The board is looking sweet for all you extreme overclocking dudes, but I think what will/won't make it a great board for the long run is how well the drivers and BIOS are supported.
Dudes like me just want a moderate-high OC but super stable for 24/7 usage, and I really don't want any silly problems with RAID, audio, RAM issues, soft rebooting etc...
I guess only time will tell!
Same here, and I want to raise vcore with EIST and C1E activated too, the electric bill as low as I can decrease it. Maybe this board can do it...:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sumanji
We never said we could not remove the heatsink. We said it used the four hook retention mechanism. This did not allow us to use a standard CoolerMaster chipset heatsink/fan alternative that we had in stock. I have a Antazone AS-N2000 and a Swiftteck MCX159-CU arriving on Wednesday that will work perfectly with the four hook clip design.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thasp
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The RD600 is cooled by a large passive heatsink that was well suited for the job until we started overclocking the FSB past 450. Due to the Northbridge voltage required to reach the maximum 511 FSB, the stock heatsink will require airflow over it. We would have preferred to replace the heatsink during this type of overclocking but DFI utilized the four hook attachment system that left us very little choice other than to direct airflow over the stock unit with an extra fan at this time.
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However, to reach these settings we had to run several of the Northbridge voltages near their maximum that resulted in additional air cooling being required for the heatsink along with Northbridge temperatures increasing from 30C to 58C during testing. We will use an alternative Northbridge cooling unit in our follow-up overclocking tests.
I had gone about three days without water while testing this board, it would have been hard to wet (in the kinder sense ;) ) my pants. :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by palese
so if this board is not the best alternative for a solid and stable overclock what is???..I give up on these C2D mobos...I am so confused and lost
I am looking for a stable board to hit 400-450 range with a 8-9x multipler on E6600..trying to avoid vdroop if possible
I doubt I will ever SLI/XFire
I have 10th anniv crucial ram
2 Seagate HDD 320/200gb
2 dvdrw
XFi
x1900xt CF(got used for a nice price)
watercooling
Corasir 620w psu
I don't have thin skin, so I didn't expect two posts following in shock to my statement, but I can't edit my post on that alone. I don't literally think he's an idiot - he tested it to see if it could do high FSBs(interesting to me since I have an e6400, low multiplier), with a high RAM clock which is more concrete than any other speculation I have witnessed. Since 975 chipsets seem to have issues doing high RAM clocks with a high CPU clock at the same time, even if one can be stable at a higher speed while the other is at a slower speed, this is useful information. That review is one of the main reasons I am interested in this board, especially since my post asking about this in a DFI-street RD600 discussion thread was deleted.
Thanks for the response on the heatsink. I know some TIM is indeed near-impossible to get off(southbridge on Asus P5W DH was more adhesive than most glue), I was wary of whether it could have been a pressure issue too. If it were already too tight, pushing the clips down to remove the heatsink could crush the heatsink. A combo of both would certainly make it a challenge.
same here, but also without any RAID issues, sound problems with X-Fi, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by nealh
Most of the motherboard companies take it on the chin with X-FI or Creative compatibility these days and some rightfully so. However, if you sit down with a BIOS engineer and see all of the crap they have to go through to make sure the board works with most Creative cards then you will have a new outlook on why there are issues with every new chipset release or why Creative's driver updates cause major problems. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by mnemonik23
Ditching Creative was the best thing I ever did, and quite a while ago. No more helper services that peg your CPU @ 100% continuous usage. No more hard systems freezes with sound loops while gaming. No more snap crackle pop and hiss audio.
I used a Chaintech sound card based on the Envy24 HT-S for a time then found Auzentech and haven't looked back since.
I've got the Chaintech and really like it. So how much better are the Auzentech cards?Quote:
Originally Posted by malficar
Unless they edited the article, from what I read it wasn't that they couldn't remove the heatsink but it was because it was a four-clip job so they coudn't replace the heatsink with another. It was never said that they couldn't remove it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thasp
The guide now has the performance options with strap settings explained. It is now mostly complete apart from i will show some screenies of some ubber tweaked out ATI6400 im running at ddr800.
Thanks for your help Tony n Bingo, appreciate all the work that you are doing...
I mean it's great to see the capabilities of this board within (+- 5% margin) before the release!
please keep doing what you are best at it and share your findings with the community.
Next step in my mind is 680i, commando, ab9 reviews and a nice complete comparison :)
PS: bingo you better drink some water, hehe
EOCF represent :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sumanji
*about the board being on ZZF, is it always sold out as of now since they havent gotten it in yet? If this comes out before the 65nm x2s im going intel! I have a great amount of brand loyalty to DFI.
Yeah, I know creative produces crap, but I still have hope that your BIOS engineers will make some wonders!Quote:
Originally Posted by bingo13
Can hardly wait for Anandtech's review for this board. :D
There is one thing in particular I would like to see in tests and that is 4x1Gb ram oc. I know I have said it before and I'll wait until Tony or Bingo has the time to do it if Anandtech don't do it. :)