did AMD said at what clocks the stars will run when launched?
you're continuing arguing on something that has no foundation.
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did AMD said at what clocks the stars will run when launched?
you're continuing arguing on something that has no foundation.
please check new AMD roadmap at vr-zone
Why do you want to know why?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
Even if that's the case, can you tell us why YOU consider it that much important to go on and on about it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
The thread was locked because one of you started to talk about 965 and 975 chipsets which was so much off topic that someone had to push the thread into closed territory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
The question is: Will "someone" push this one off the cliff too? :devil:
Edit: The only bad thing about the Brisbane thread being closed is that noone could answer the following desperate call. Who knows? Maybe we're gonna see a K8L ES before a stable C2D system. :rofl:
Shintai,you quietly avoided answering my question about your ignorance and lack of informations concerning the existence(or rather non-existence) of native QC parts based on K8.You showed that you know very little on the topic and you seem to be very persistent when downgrading AMD's New Cores.Care to comment and enlighten us all ,what are those native K8 based quad cores,when they are coming to the market,etc.Since we all want to know,and I'm sure AMD wants to know also LoL. :rolleyes:
Waiting for your answer...
Don't ask him questions that are too complicated for him. The level of difficulty he's able to deal with seems to go like this:Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
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Originally Posted by XenatR
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Originally Posted by Shintai
Important announcement with huge impact on the thread and the ongoing discussion.
don't make moders close the thread ))
it's still December
Well if you actually took time to read. You would notice something.Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
It wasnīt presented as a fact was it?Quote:
Or perhaps just AM2+ versions of K8.
wel first of all,Core1 isnt K8Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
you cannot know what impact every change has on a different architecture,the larger prefetch may not result in a big performance boost on core1 but it MAY result in a big advantage for a K8
we just dont know enough about the different architecture to compare i think,we will just have to wait for benches and hope that AMD can compete with intel,otherwise 2007 will be a boring year ,and no competition means high prices
Thats very true. Tho, there will always be competition. Even if it aint with highend 500-999$ parts.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoThr3k
yes but Core 1 is Yohan which is just a slightly improved Pentium M.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoThr3k
K8 was a direct competitor with Pentium M, thus K8L should get a similar performance increase
I hate to quote you again,but it seems i need to.
What are those K8 based quad cores?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
AMD said loud and clear that the only native approach to quad cores is New Core arch.Not K8.So you need to read some stuff before posting.
And what are AM2+ versions of K8???Tsk,tsk,tsk
Well normally I would agree. But Intel has shown to me anyway that. They(intel) Is forcing lower prices. I hope K8L is 20% faster than Conroe. I would very much like to see what AMD does with prices if they are the performance leader. I see what it has meant for all of us with Intel as the performance leader. The proof is in the pudding Intel lowered prices. Amd has not shown me that they will lower prices when they(AMD) leads in performance.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoThr3k
You only want to get into a flamefest eh? Again, did I state it as a fact? :nono:Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
And if you want to keep nagging over it. Why don´t you start answering what I asked first. or its a oneway thing?
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&postcount=698Quote:
and very improved architecture compared to old K8.So we shouldn't be surprised if New Core shows massive performance imrovement.It was built for that purpouse,and built for a long time(development probably started by the time of K8 introduction).
Now tell us all the VERY improved parts that will show MASSIVE performance improvements. And please show where it was buildt for that specific task. For me it looks more like a more sockets, better RAS, higher memory ability core with a sudden addon of a few tweaks to counter the new threat.
And your 20% from L3 is also abit out in the water. So don´t try and act beyond your abilities.
What the hell price has to do with this thread topic?Quote:
Originally Posted by Turtle 1
You want to talk prices? Let's talk prices. Most frequent users on these forums are not the average buyers (and they constitute an extremely small portion of revenues for AMD or Intel). In fact many of the "fantastic" results we see especially in the Intel section are from people who don't even pay one single cent for their stuff.
Now let's talk about the guy who want to buy a computer and doesn't know anything about xtremesystems and such. He could end up buying a Dell which now sells AMD systems for cheap (part of the reason why Intel was so dominent in its sale was because it had a real tight monopoly with companies like Dell but that's changing now. I've read somewhere that AMD had an 80% market share for retail boxes but that didn't compensate for the deal with the "big boys"). Or he could end up buying at NewEgg or a local store. Now the guy wants to get the best deal he can. He doesn't know squat about overclocking and thinks that if he tries to overclock his house will catch on fire. He sees this:
AM2 X2 3800+ (2ghz): 139$
Intel C2D E6300 (1.86ghz): 186$
(EWWWWW)
Asus M2N-E: 92.99$
Asus P5NSLI: 104.99$
What do you think the average price conscious consumer will do (and is doing, actually)?
The E6300 is actually 160$...Quote:
Originally Posted by SkunK
http://www.stalliontek.com/ProductDe...C2D%2DE6300OEM
And you wanna use a X2 4200+ to match it, and there is cheaper and better solutions if you want cheap than nForce boards...And if it was price only, there is still the 50$ Via board.
That Shintai is kinda funny. He wants. Err, he demands answers from everyone and yet he's unable to answer any question. But maybe he's right. Nobody would really care about what his answers might be.
Well we already saw how the prices was kept up doing the 939 reign. Only to be massively slashed with Core 2. So its been a milking the cow for the resources they need to keep the fight on when the cow died.Quote:
Well normally I would agree. But Intel has shown to me anyway that. They(intel) Is forcing lower prices. I hope K8L is 20% faster than Conroe. I would very much like to see what AMD does with prices if they are the performance leader. I see what it has meant for all of us with Intel as the performance leader. The proof is in the pudding Intel lowered prices. Amd has not shown me that they will lower prices when they(AMD) leads in performance.
So call me sceptical. But if say, K8L destroys Core 2/3 like K8 did with the P4. Then its high prices again.
ActuallyQuote:
Originally Posted by SkunK
AM2 3800+ x2 $122.00 (shipped)
but you got the rest of the prices right
The average buyer won't buy at "back alley" stores like stalliontek. And as far as the choices I submitted, I chose those with the highest ratings/numbers shown at NewEgg. Nothing scientific about my demonstration. I just did a quick search at the most popular online store in America.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
Prices were mentioned in the post I ans. It was AMD that kept prices high when they had the performance lead. Intel lowered prices when they took back the crown. AMD has nothing that competes with intel c2d. Don't forget Intel is lowering prices even further in 2nd qt. You might think that $139 for X2 3800 is a good price but 6 months ago when most were sold AMD was raping people at a $300price. Many many people said that $300 X2 3800 was worth the money. So I would say that if you debate that a $50 differance in price between X2-3800 Vs. E 6300 is a ripe off. Lets go read the pre conroe threads and see what was said.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkunK
Dell is now selling AMD cpu's but Dell is no2. HP is no.1 and they been selling AMD's for along time. Lets wait for the qt. reports on sells for this qt. and the next befor we decide what the consumer is buying. OK!
This is what you said.
(part of the reason why Intel was so dominent in its sale was because it had a real tight monopoly with companies like Dell but that's changing now).
This part right here/it had a real tight monopoly with companies like Dell. Could you name another company besides Dell that was Intel only. It would serve you well to know . When Dell was Intel exclusive Dell was no.1 aftere they opened up to AMD they fell to no.2. So don't point to Dell and say AMD is saved. AMD was doing fine without Dell. Lets see how Dell does now that Intel gives Apple priority and Dell has moved in the pickig order from intel . To the 3 slot. Behind Apple and HP. I am betting the Apples sells are going to be shocking!
http://labs.anandtech.com/img/plot/4896_182.png
umm after the Price Rush (and the usual price drop) the prices for MOST Conroes have Not dropped a single Dime on Intel's account
http://labs.anandtech.com/img/plot/4900_182.png
So your arguement is a totally moot point
When you talk about what might be, it's as much as speculative as you're dreaming K8L might be. As far as I can remember, I never paid above 200$ for an AMD cpu and it goes all the way back to a K62 500Mhz. I remember paying 5000$ for a 286 12mhz (whole system) and more than 3000$ for a Pentium 100mhz (whole system), though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turtle 1
So what did you pay for your present opty and when did you buy it?Quote:
Originally Posted by SkunK
210$ CDN (about 180$ US) and I bought it about a month ago. Sure there were times when the DC Opterons were more expensive (too expensive for me anyway). But I'm kind of patient and it usually paies off for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Turtle 1
You also have to know that the 170 (at least the one I have) is clocked at 2.6Ghz which, considering the amount of cache, makes it more or less a FX-60 without even breaking a sweat.