!UPDATE! abit AW9D-Max (retail) arrived

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10-07-2006, 09:26 AM
Devious

Are you using x1900 x-fire Raju ?
10-07-2006, 09:46 AM
Raja@ASUS

yes with catalyst 6.10...

430 fsb with 1.61 vcore is no go for 3d mark 2006 (the pc resets just after canyon flight). 420fsb is fine for 3dmark06 with vdimm at 2.25...

430fsb Battlefield crashes back to desktop before the ea logo even comes on.

I'm just experimenting with 420fsb......

will let you know...

regards
Raja
10-07-2006, 09:53 AM
Keiki

Quote:

Originally Posted by hipro5

Yes new bios.......Soon to be released in BETA.....This is an ALFA and it seems to be pretty good so far.....:)

i hope soon is very very soon :)
10-07-2006, 09:55 AM
roller11

Quote:

Originally Posted by raju

that's why i said it's in the eye's of the beholder.....:)

we have to remember that everyone has different demands from their pc,
raja

I'm just saying that anyone can correctly say, with no fear of contradiction, that their computer is stable if it works properly...even if all they do is
boot into windows and move their cursor around. It is stable by definition.
10-07-2006, 10:13 AM
Raja@ASUS

Quote:

Originally Posted by roller11

I'm just saying that anyone can correctly say, with no fear of contradiction, that their computer is stable if it works properly...even if all they do is
boot into windows and move their cursor around. It is stable by definition.

that was never in dispute.... 'horses for courses'

I doubt there was anyone that confused, though there is always the possibilty..

The issue of concern is Orthos stability, I guess that much is clear..
10-07-2006, 11:00 AM
Knight

My question is if I were to get a e6600 and not plan to us a lower multi will I still get a close OC (~3.2-3.5 on air) compared to a P5B-dx. I am not looking for the highest FSB, just an equal OC potential over the P5B-dx.
10-07-2006, 11:05 AM
Lestat

i've tried to get a sample via TD and Abit and no one is willing to supply a sample. i had the same issues with gigabyte as i wanted to pit my DS3 against the DQ6.

frankly right now im booting into windows at 450x9 from the bios but she dont last long and thats @ 1.6v bios 1.63v via DMM and i cant run anything in windows to check as it usually locks up.

i am also booting at 500x7 too but it wont boot into windows as the DS3 has that ungodly pathetic Micron D9 issue and will not run the gskill HZ 6400 past 950 mhz no matter what i do. so i cant test it very well since i always have to run a 1:1 ratio. i have tried others but it doesnt matter, even dropping the fsb to 100mhz and cranking the dram multi to 4.00 and then rasing the fsb from there it doesnt work..

anywho,, i'm going to keep trying to get sample board for both the biostar and abit but i doubt i will get anywhere. techdata isnt known for being worth a crap when it comes to things like that.

but i was looking into the abit, though i dont care for the 1 pci slot i can live with it as i just need it for my audigy 2 ZS and 1 pci-e 1x slot for my Sil 3132 card, and of course only 1 video slot for me.
but what i need is a board that can max my cpu and ram both, very little droop, on the vcore, vdimm and mch yet have enough adjustments in those three settings to really make her scream.

im typically running 3.8ghz 24/7 and its fine and dandy and i cant complain one single bit but the ram 1:1 at that low of a fsb slows things down a tad, nothing you can see or feel in windows but benchmarks to reflect the change.

thanks for the info raju, its nice to see calm educated posts in comparison to my enraged blabbering hehehe.
10-07-2006, 11:24 AM
mykeos

hipro5:is the vcore set so high in BIOS or you v-modded it?
I would like to know if the new bios will allow vcore above 1.7 (real),1.8v at least...?
10-07-2006, 11:47 AM
bingo13

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patuga

were you able to get past the 458fsb limit you had before??

I am now past my 460FSB limit with the new bios, just cannot say how far. ;)
10-07-2006, 11:50 AM
hipro5

Quote:

Originally Posted by mykeos

hipro5:is the vcore set so high in BIOS or you v-modded it?
I would like to know if the new bios will allow vcore above 1.7 (real),1.8v at least...?

Bios 1.2 and later: When you pick max 1.725V, it's 1.698V real and ROCK STABLE.....;)
Only the first bios had a problem....When - for example - you picked 1.6V, in real was 1.5V.......

....and yes VCore Moded - ALWAYS - ....:D

Quote:

Originally Posted by bingo13

I am now past my 460FSB limit with the new bios, just cannot say how far. ;)

You're teasing me so as to take off my Fatbodies right?.....:D

I'll slot in the CellShock ones and test tomorrow.....;)
10-07-2006, 12:06 PM
sadcat1

Hipro, could you release a photo of the vcore mod for those of us who are electronically challenged?
10-07-2006, 12:08 PM
hipro5

Quote:

Originally Posted by sadcat1

Hipro, could you release a photo of the vcore mod for those of us who are electronically challenged?

I'll upload a FULL Mod guide in a few days for it....;)
10-07-2006, 12:11 PM
sadcat1

Thank you
10-07-2006, 12:36 PM
situman

how about full bios settings too? Though there isn't much to show.
10-07-2006, 01:13 PM
Raja@ASUS

Quote:

Originally Posted by hipro5

I'll upload a FULL Mod guide in a few days for it....;)

You know what George, the Asus pro is back up and running... Did a bit of testing to see what had gone down, bypassed no issues...
Works fine with the maximiser controlling ram and vtt!! Will bench asap....

regards
Raja
10-07-2006, 01:20 PM
irenic

Quote:

Originally Posted by raju

It all depends on what you call stable my friend.

What we need is users to provide screenshots of dual orthos blend test if they can for 8 hours, just to see if it's specific ram, multipliers or even cpu's that do better or worse. I have contacted ABit and await a reply...

Like I said for the core users at XS it's no big deal as pushing superpi and other benchmarks may be the desired action, but in other circles people have different criteria and tests. So the board is still good no doubt. I just think it needs a better overall bios, which ABIT can provide us far more effectivley (hopefully) if we have lots of results from different users highlighting the issues....

It's the users that hold the power, if all the hype and bechmarking is in one direction, it takes a while before the issues start to surface. In the past, we have seen many boards not do so well in the long run, as people work against each other rather than together. I have my own forum which has only just launched, but as it is of small membership, there is no way I can compile results like I can at XS, that's why I'm asking everyone to chip in if they think it's worth trying, (i never work against other forums as seems to be the current worldwide fashion). Either way it at least presents a lesson to the manufacturer for future releases.. (though ultimatley I'm probably wasting my time and the better side of my nature by trying)...

regards
Raja

well i never like to push my cpu to high clockspeed but only stable PI 1m.
In my experience dual PI 32m is nowhere near 24/7 stable since i had 5 c2d processors that can easily passed dual PI 32m but in the end failed orthos or dual sp2004 after just 10secs.

So for me daily stable means I am able to to run at least 8 hrs of orthos / dual sp2004 in any tests (large fft, small fft, blend test, or custom) but normally i let them ran for at least 12 hrs.

and my current E6400 can do 3.2ghz @ stock vcore, 3.3ghz @ 1.35vcore, and 3.44ghz @ 1.375vcore. Never try higher since I dont want my cpu to hit more than 60C during load (coretemp)

I hope Abit can help me at least 3.2ghz stable orthos @ stock vcore.. I dun care bout higher clockspeed, coz 3.2ghz is very fast already :D
10-07-2006, 01:26 PM
Raja@ASUS

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lestat

i've tried to get a sample via TD and Abit and no one is willing to supply a sample. i had the same issues with gigabyte as i wanted to pit my DS3 against the DQ6.

frankly right now im booting into windows at 450x9 from the bios but she dont last long and thats @ 1.6v bios 1.63v via DMM and i cant run anything in windows to check as it usually locks up.

i am also booting at 500x7 too but it wont boot into windows as the DS3 has that ungodly pathetic Micron D9 issue and will not run the gskill HZ 6400 past 950 mhz no matter what i do. so i cant test it very well since i always have to run a 1:1 ratio. i have tried others but it doesnt matter, even dropping the fsb to 100mhz and cranking the dram multi to 4.00 and then rasing the fsb from there it doesnt work..

anywho,, i'm going to keep trying to get sample board for both the biostar and abit but i doubt i will get anywhere. techdata isnt known for being worth a crap when it comes to things like that.

but i was looking into the abit, though i dont care for the 1 pci slot i can live with it as i just need it for my audigy 2 ZS and 1 pci-e 1x slot for my Sil 3132 card, and of course only 1 video slot for me.
but what i need is a board that can max my cpu and ram both, very little droop, on the vcore, vdimm and mch yet have enough adjustments in those three settings to really make her scream.

im typically running 3.8ghz 24/7 and its fine and dandy and i cant complain one single bit but the ram 1:1 at that low of a fsb slows things down a tad, nothing you can see or feel in windows but benchmarks to reflect the change.

thanks for the info raju, its nice to see calm educated posts in comparison to my enraged blabbering hehehe.

I'm just a humble overclocker like you my friend, we need all types to make up a forum, that's the beauty of individuality. On topic though, I guess we needed a fresh perspective here and to look at the fact that different people deserve their criteria to be put forwards too without being burnt down everytime. That will help make XS the place it should truly be...

I won't complete judgement on the board until we can get hold of the new bios and assess what needs to be done after that. Then I will confirm my findings with you guys here and some of my trusted friends:clap: to make sure that I am not wrong or brash about anything I say...

regards
Raja
10-07-2006, 01:30 PM
Raja@ASUS

Quote:

Originally Posted by irenic

well i never like to push my cpu to high clockspeed but only stable PI 1m.
In my experience dual PI 32m is nowhere near 24/7 stable since i had 5 c2d processors that can easily passed dual PI 32m but in the end failed orthos or dual sp2004 after just 10secs.

So for me daily stable means I am able to to run at least 8 hrs of orthos / dual sp2004 in any tests (large fft, small fft, blend test, or custom) but normally i let them ran for at least 12 hrs.

and my current E6400 can do 3.2ghz @ stock vcore, 3.3ghz @ 1.35vcore, and 3.44ghz @ 1.375vcore. Never try higher since I dont want my cpu to hit more than 60C during load (coretemp)

I hope Abit can help me at least 3.2ghz stable orthos @ stock vcore.. I dun care bout higher clockspeed, coz 3.2ghz is very fast already :D

well you are not alone and there are many here it seems like you, myself included. 3.2ghz will be no sweat with an e6600, unless it's the worlds worst e6600, which I doubt...

regards
Raja
10-07-2006, 07:10 PM
lowdog

Whats the max vcore you'd put through a core 2 duo for 24/7 use without cuttings it's life span down to under 1 year. What would be max temps to run at with said vcore under good quality air cooling.

Thanks.
10-07-2006, 07:19 PM
TWY

Wonder if this new BIOS has fixed some RAM setting issues (manual mode is unstable occasionally, must use By SPD instead)?
10-07-2006, 08:17 PM
Patuga

Quote:

Originally Posted by hipro5

Bios 1.2 and later: When you pick max 1.725V, it's 1.698V real and ROCK STABLE.....;)
Only the first bios had a problem....When - for example - you picked 1.6V, in real was 1.5V.......

....and yes VCore Moded - ALWAYS - ....:D

You're teasing me so as to take off my Fatbodies right?.....:D

I'll slot in the CellShock ones and test tomorrow.....;)

If i use Uguru in windows, i get a very big drop. 1.5 goes to 1.43 and 1.65 to get 1.58Vcore, of course in full load it only goes 1.5~1.56 ;)
Does the program detect the settings in the bios? and also, what about the pci-e clock? is it locked @ 100? cause i tried to change it in windows to 101 only to make my computer lock
10-07-2006, 09:07 PM
palese

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patuga

If i use Uguru in windows, i get a very big drop. 1.5 goes to 1.43 and 1.65 to get 1.58Vcore, of course in full load it only goes 1.5~1.56 ;)
Does the program detect the settings in the bios? and also, what about the pci-e clock? is it locked @ 100? cause i tried to change it in windows to 101 only to make my computer lock

I can't seem to get an answer on pcie clock, in the release bios, it was in the bios and you could adjust it to what ever you wanted and with the new bios you only find it in guru panel and yes it locks windows:fact:
10-07-2006, 09:22 PM
hipro5

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patuga

If i use Uguru in windows, i get a very big drop. 1.5 goes to 1.43 and 1.65 to get 1.58Vcore, of course in full load it only goes 1.5~1.56 ;)
Does the program detect the settings in the bios? and also, what about the pci-e clock? is it locked @ 100? cause i tried to change it in windows to 101 only to make my computer lock

Uguru works fine BUT it STILL shows inaccurate VCore.....Just "shows".....Whatever you pick within bios, that's it.....;)

As for PCI-E and PCI frequencies, yes they are locked at 100MHz and 33.3MHz......EVEN at higher frequencies when you pick them from Uguru, are locked too +/-....;)

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/A...26MHz_bios.jpg

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/A...32MHz_bios.jpg
10-07-2006, 09:24 PM
hipro5

Quote:

Originally Posted by raju

You know what George, the Asus pro is back up and running... Did a bit of testing to see what had gone down, bypassed no issues...
Works fine with the maximiser controlling ram and vtt!! Will bench asap....

regards
Raja

Hmmm......did you unsolder anything?....:)
10-08-2006, 12:07 AM
Raja@ASUS

no I did not have to, sorted via pm anyway....

regards
Raja

Will continue testing with the ABit this week, then move back over to the Asus over next weekend...

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