K10 Scores starting to surface

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09-10-2007, 07:34 AM
dave_graham

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Originally Posted by hipro5

....was it?......I mean do someone has solid proof of it OR we just say or think or whatever, that it was done with a Phenom and it was 30k in 2k6.......
OR we talk......just to......talk....... :D

well, in general people are full of :banana::banana::banana::banana: anyway, so, why believe ANYTHING? :)

dave
09-10-2007, 07:47 AM
dball3

here's another http://www.techwarelabs.com/reviews/...ors/barcelona/
09-10-2007, 07:47 AM
Piotrsama

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Originally Posted by dave_graham

you do realize that was a Phenom, right? :P

And posted by TheINQ :p:

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Originally Posted by dball3

here's another http://www.techwarelabs.com/reviews/...ors/barcelona/

They used a B1 (doesn't reflect final performance, right?).
and LOL at the benchmarks.
09-10-2007, 08:04 AM
JohannesRS

Maybe you are right...

But you forgot one point: you are acusing, so it's up to you to prove the lie. :P
09-10-2007, 08:13 AM
Ubermann

So the wait was over, buddy wants a new gaming machine and i think i will build it with Intel parts..
Last one was Opteron and really nice.
09-10-2007, 08:31 AM
tdenton1138

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Originally Posted by hipro5

Errrmmmmm.........Where's that 30k 2k6 bench?.....Can anyone see it somewhere?.....In any sites/forums?..... :) :rolleyes:

It was my impression that perhaps the 30k score was generated via a 'tri-fire' (ie 3 video card) solution. This may be incorrect... time will tell.
09-10-2007, 08:48 AM
hipro5

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Originally Posted by tdenton1138

It was my impression that perhaps the 30k score was generated via a 'tri-fire' (ie 3 video card) solution. This may be incorrect... time will tell.

Yes after a LOT of ???? and again ???? for the 30k, others said it was with tri-fire, others at lower resolution than default, others that it was the 2k5 and not the 2k6, others that it was the 2k5 with lower resolution and others that it really was 2k6 with CrossFire.....What is true and what not, perhaps we will NEVER know it.....
09-10-2007, 09:23 AM
Periander6

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Originally Posted by hipro5

What is true and what not, perhaps we will NEVER know it.....

What is true is that the story, as the Inq reported it, was total BS and set up a lot of unrealistic expectations on how K10 was going to perform.

Of course we talking about the Inq, this is par for the course for them.
09-10-2007, 09:36 AM
Donnie27

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Originally Posted by Periander6

What is true is that the story, as the Inq reported it, was total BS and set up a lot of unrealistic expectations on how K10 was going to perform.

Of course we talking about the Inq, this is par for the course for them.

QFT!
09-10-2007, 09:36 AM
SnipingWaste

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Originally Posted by Periander6

What is true is that the story, as the Inq reported it, was total BS and set up a lot of unrealistic expectations on how K10 was going to perform.

Of course we talking about the Inq, this is par for the course for them.

The really funning thing is the story has very little BS in it but has some missing info.
09-10-2007, 09:38 AM
Donnie27

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Originally Posted by dave_graham

well, in general people are full of :banana::banana::banana::banana: anyway, so, why believe ANYTHING? :)

dave

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Originally Posted by Anandtech

Xeon Server: Intel "Bensley platform" server
2x Xeon 5160 3GHz or 2x Xeon E5345 at 2.33GHz
Intel Server Board S5000PSL - Intel 5000P Chipset
8GB (4x2GB) Crucial Registered FB-DIMM DDR2-667 CL5 ECC
NIC: Dual Intel PRO/1000 Server NIC
BIOS note: *Hardware prefetching disabled

*Why was HwP disabled? Is there a problem with it or what?
09-10-2007, 09:39 AM
Lastviking

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Originally Posted by Ubermann

So the wait was over, buddy wants a new gaming machine and i think i will build it with Intel parts..
Last one was Opteron and really nice.

I think thats its right chose until good boards come out to the amd K10, But dont forgot to chose ddr3 also instead of ddr2 becuse new good boards will have ddr3 and not ddr2 anymore(good for next upgrade)
09-10-2007, 09:47 AM
Periander6

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Originally Posted by SnipingWaste

The really funning thing is the story has very little BS in it but has some missing info.

No. Read it again:

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=41970

He gave a lot of detail and info. He said 2 cards, what speeds they were clocked at ect. It's just that the results he reported given the setup he reported were and are impossible. All of the speculation was on what way he might have gotten it wrong.
09-10-2007, 10:54 AM
SnipingWaste

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Originally Posted by Periander6

No. Read it again:

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=41970

He gave a lot of detail and info. He said 2 cards, what speeds they were clocked at ect. It's just that the results he reported given the setup he reported were and are impossible. All of the speculation was on what way he might have gotten it wrong.

Like I said some of the info is BS and some info is missing. You will have to wait till after the NDA on this one.
09-10-2007, 11:02 AM
xVeinx

Ok, so here is an interesting question. For AMD processors, what sort of changes or differences occur-if any-between the opteron and desktop series? I realize that there is different binning, etc, and memory controller differences, but anything else specifically?
09-10-2007, 11:03 AM
PhilDoc

I'd say mostly BS at this point. Anyone able to read a little could make up the details he gave. But, as you said we'll have to wait a see.

Talking about the 30K 3do6
09-10-2007, 11:41 AM
AgentGOD

Looks like the previously leaked benchmarks were real.
09-10-2007, 12:14 PM
awdrifter

Well, I can't say I'm surprised, but damn, the K10 can't even match the C2D clock for clock, and it has a much lower clockspeed. It really looks like AMD just slapped an shared L3 cache on the K8 and called it a day. But if they did that, it should've came out a lot earlier. Well, hopefully it'll hit 3ghz by the time the desktop Phenom launches, otherwise AMD is :banana::banana::banana::banana:ed. This is even worse situation than the R600, at least the HD2900XT was competitive.
09-10-2007, 12:24 PM
dave_graham

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Originally Posted by xVeinx

Ok, so here is an interesting question. For AMD processors, what sort of changes or differences occur-if any-between the opteron and desktop series? I realize that there is different binning, etc, and memory controller differences, but anything else specifically?

a.) coherent dual HT links for inter-processor communication (which has not realistically benchmarked)
b.) n-way scaling (8xxx series)
c.) RAS features including more pertinent/efficient binning processes

i probably could keep talking about it, but why bother?

dave
09-10-2007, 12:27 PM
dave_graham

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Originally Posted by AgentGOD

Looks like the previously leaked benchmarks were real.

really? hmmm...i don't see that at all.

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Originally Posted by awdrifter

Well, I can't say I'm surprised, but damn, the K10 can't even match the C2D clock for clock, and it has a much lower clockspeed. It really looks like AMD just slapped an shared L3 cache on the K8 and called it a day. But if they did that, it should've came out a lot earlier. Well, hopefully it'll hit 3ghz by the time the desktop Phenom launches, otherwise AMD is :banana::banana::banana::banana:ed. This is even worse situation than the R600, at least the HD2900XT was competitive.

*yawn*

you DO realize that phenom will use DDR2-800, will launch at higher clock speeds, and will have better mainboard support at launch?

comparing C2D to a server processor is like comparing a Humvee against a X5. On pavement, the X5 will "win." off road, the Humvee. Two different focuses with two different applications.

calm down.

dave
09-10-2007, 12:32 PM
metro.cl

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Originally Posted by dave_graham

a.) coherent dual HT links for inter-processor communication (which has not realistically benchmarked)
b.) n-way scaling (8xxx series)
c.) RAS features including more pertinent/efficient binning processes

i probably could keep talking about it, but why bother?

dave

Well remmember what you say, i really dont believe K10 Phenom is going to be much faster than the server part (clock for clock).
09-10-2007, 12:34 PM
metro.cl

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Originally Posted by dave_graham

really? hmmm...i don't see that at all.

*yawn*

you DO realize that phenom will use DDR2-800, will launch at higher clock speeds, and will have better mainboard support at launch?

comparing C2D to a server processor is like comparing a Humvee against a X5. On pavement, the X5 will "win." off road, the Humvee. Two different focuses with two different applications.

calm down.

dave

Actually Phenom will support 1066MHz DDR2 that was meant to be from the beginning but JEDEC didn't want to make a new standard with DDR3 so close.
09-10-2007, 12:48 PM
dave_graham

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Originally Posted by metro.cl

Well remmember what you say, i really dont believe K10 Phenom is going to be much faster than the server part (clock for clock).

i'll quote you back as well. :)

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Originally Posted by metro.cl

Actually Phenom will support 1066MHz DDR2 that was meant to be from the beginning but JEDEC didn't want to make a new standard with DDR3 so close.

DDR2-800 is still the base memory speed supported.

what JEDEC chooses to do or not is not really up for conjecture here.

dave
09-10-2007, 01:09 PM
savantu

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Originally Posted by Donnie27

*Why was HwP disabled? Is there a problem with it or what?

Because they received guidance from you know who ...

There is one where disabling the HwP helps : SpecJBB.Other than that it is a major player in Core's performance.

I'll give you something more to think about , the anbormally poor showing of Xeon in SpecJBB :

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Two flaws IMHO

1) They used an old version of the Sun JVM, from before Sun adopted Intel HW. That old version contains optimizations for AMD but not for Intel. A more recent Sun JVM (1.6.0_02) or a recent version of JRockit would have resulted in much better Xeon scores. While they had a valid reason for going with 1.5.0_08 (be able to compare with old results) they should have mentioned this fact in the article.

2) They worked around the main AMD weakness (poor performance if accessing non-local memory) by running with several JVM instances, each affinitized to a NUMA node. Xeon does benefit from multiple instances too, but not nearly as much as AMD does. For completeness, they should have run in a single-JVM config too, or without using numactl.

http://www.realworldtech.com/forums/...82680&roomid=2

Henrik Ståhl works as a product manager in the JRockit team, and has been with BEA since 2004.This guys definetly knows his stuff.
09-10-2007, 01:11 PM
s7e9h3n

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Originally Posted by JohannesRS

It has around 14% for "K10 applications" on an opteron machine. What means, that you are locked to 666MHz ECC on memory.

What it means is that the mobo only "officially" supports 667 DDR2. It doesn't mean that you can't run faster memory. I believe the "Phenom" test was done on a Supermicro board which are some of the most solid server boards on the market, but lack almost any overclocking features whatsoever.....;)

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