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A regular user won't need that many SATA and LAN ports. What the hell was GB thinking off? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Dower
I'd use it easily, A 4 disc RAID uses most of what I got off the top plus a scratch RAID 0 and 2 SATA DVD, and still 2 extra left for external use. Cool. As for the 4x 1gb lAN, not bad, you can finally up and down stream dual 2GBs Gb LANs. It used to cost a fortune to do this. Most are limited to just dual 1GB for 1gb up and 1gb down streaming.
Just nead a bigger hub/switch is all for the quad wiring.
Another driver update for the onboard Realtek 8111B/C LAN chip, dated April 29th:
http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/...&GetDown=false
Not when running X2s mate ,supreme bottle necking, but if your on a small budget then p45 will suffice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Dower
Edit ## seems the Foxconn board will be the only one with Dual PCI-E x16 Gen. 2.0 slots that make this motherboard one of a kind
This may explain why my machine is slightly slower than my AMD machine. At the moment I am just doing a defrag with ultimate defrag and my latency is jumping between 10ys and 879ys.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrissTi
[EDIT] just tried playing a video and my latency went up to 1229ys. Would it be worth my while sending a screen capture of this to Gigabyte?
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Originally Posted by Richard Dower
Wow Realtek wins the "most updated drivers award" Every few weeks they bring out another one.
Anyhow on the Latency issue it is of Gigabytes opinion that the Specific Beta bioses they have released should solve the problem.
I disagree and the RD department are looking into it a little more apparently.
Gotta give them credit for trying to fix it though.
Oh. Steve yes i would send the screenshot with a short explanation of your problems. ie, stuttering, laggy system etc etc.
BTW i tested a 4 year old Dell Pentium4 PC today that im fixing and the latency was rock solid 10us with no spikes whatsoever.
I just received a f3b version of the EX38-DQ6 bios. My DPC latency is a lot better, and I can still overclock. The only problem is that tRead phase adjust is neutral, so some bandwidth/ram latency is lost. Overall, my gaming performance is much better.
http://home.comcast.net/~typhoon007/ex38dq6_f3b.zip
Is it a known issue that the vDroop on this board is pretty bad? I'm talking: 1.412 BIOS, 1.408 CPU-z (idle), 1.376 (load)!
Not only that, I just dropped an E8500 in a day ago to run 3DMark Vantage. Pulled a few good runs then booted into XP to try a 3DM06 run. Chug....lag...CPU score halved! Uninstalled and reinstalled 3DM06 and ATI drivers, no dice.
Tried to uninstall processors in the Dev Mgr, loaded the latest beta BIOS, Loaded Optimum defaults, Cleared CMOS, reseated CPU, checked the socket and pads.
Any other suggestions?
Spankenstein....dunno, i just like sayng spankestein.
The vdroop isn't that bad, i mean look at those asus boards :p:
Mine is 1.23v windows/idle, and 1.216v on load.
Ya, look at the ASUS boards, alll their P35, X38, and X48 have a BIOS feature to zero out vdroop under loading to equal of what BIOS reads. In some cobbos of FSBT, PLL and GTL, you can actuall get a vboost under load so less at idle. For my Q6600 at 480x8 I get 1.480v idle and 1.488v loaded. There is a combo to zero it out but I like the boost so I can idle at less.Quote:
Originally Posted by ThatGuy16
I was told by some other Gigabyte user, that this mobo was supposed to offer something close like ASUS's own "Loadline Calibration" What is it if any? Cause my Gigabyte P35 version vdroops to as much as 0.06 in some cobbo or no less then 0.04v on average or stock.
I have that effect on many!:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Dower
Thanks for the responses regarding the vdroop. It seems like it can be managed with EIST disabled and LLC disabled.
Any thoughts about the E8500's behavior? Maybe I'll just reinstall the OS, a couple of the hangs might have jumbled something. Is the concensus positive or negative on the latest Beta BIOS?
I was being sarcastic, in a way :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuckin_Futs
And my board does has the option to disable "Loadline Calibration" ;)
Thats good Typhoon. I noticed much better gaming performance too, so the bios definately helps even if it doesnt completely solve it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TyphooN
I could probably live with it how it is now, but hopefully they can fix it properly.
I can definitely live with it. My memory latency/bandwidth is only slightly worse.. but my dpc latency is so much better. They should do something about allowing tRead phase adjust work with this bios, and then it'd be the best bios out for the board. I still think its the best bios out just because of the dpc latency fix.
Regarding the DPC latency issue, here's what I get on my machine
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/5531/dlpcvj8.th.jpg
This is during UT2004.
http://img393.imageshack.us/img393/2801/dlpc2dx9.th.jpg
This is after UT2004 is closed and normal behaviour.
Hey, i just started reading about this... and just wondering,
http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8632/latencykn9.jpg
Here's my screenshot while running Adobe Audition (playing) , winamp (playing) and BSPlayer (some movie...)
Now, is that a reliable test to judge if i don't have any issues, or is there a certain group of programs i can test to be 100% sure.
Also i'm running F6b BIOS (downloaded from Gigabyte)
Oh well,
Thanx :)
Can someone give me some suggestions, i can't get 4.6Ghz (512FSB) stable enough to bench 4.6Ghz. I have tried up to +0.35v on the G MCH and +0.2v FSB. The thing is, after about 5 minutes into windows, it completely locks up (regardless of the load). Also, anything above +0.25v G MCH makes it worse, but raising the MCH up to that point helps. The ram is stable, and its not the CPU.
I added a fan to my NB also.
Any suggestions?
I want to break 20k in 3dmark so bad :shakes:
Ya, i agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by TyphooN
@Lighning98, yours is one of the better ones i've seen with this board you should be fine.
@Dakkahun, the occasional spike isnt gonna matter too much but if they come fairly regular over 5 minutes or so you might wanna try the beta.
Anyhow this bios fix (or half fix) will no doubt be in the next final bios release anyway so you can try the beta or wait for the next final.
Buggalugs, the last screenshot is what I normally get during normal operation: music player, Firefox, antivirus, etc. Even with those big spikes in UT2004 I don't perceive any stutter. So i think I'm ok for now. I'll try the final BIOS when it appears. Best regards.
Richard how is the Q9450 going ? I just ordered myself one today, to replace my Q6600.
I've done some testing last night with a new CPU i bought
E7300
i first played with the first edition bios which was awesome for me in the PAST
380MHz FSB stable max on the bios >> not cool at all :rofl:
updated to F9b or something and managed roughtly 500MHz FSB with it..................after a bit of tuning i found that GTL REF +6% helps with FSB and i managed to bump FSB to 520MHz
this chip has 10xmulti so with better cooling i could be able to get some half decent benchmarks
loving my 9800GX2 >>> 783/1944/1188 nature stable in '01 :cool: :up:...just air cooling with ~26C ambient :up:
What is the GTL REF setting?
You can all them synthetic benchmarks and till not truely be 100% stable cause a lot of them dont test the storage sub system so if you test w/ adobe like Audition, or premiere and especially AutoGK and Cucusoft, among other transcoding apps, you will get a better real world sence of how stable it is for what you intend to use iot for. I had seeral many long hr stressed Primed rigs fail something real world, even in gaming.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lightning98
So yes, it's a good refference to do the benchmarks, but add to it as you did the real world apps that actuall mean something for daily use.
http://www.thetechrepository.com/showthread.php?t=87Quote:
Originally Posted by truehighroller
More importantly.. How can you gain access to the GTL REF setting on a EX38-DQ6??
CTRL+F1 while on the main menu?Quote:
Originally Posted by TyphooN
Is anyone slipstreaming SP1 into Vista?
thank you caped_crusader.. I always thought it was on the M.I.T. page, and it just didn't work on this board. Howcome I can only add GTL_REF voltage to CPU GTLREF1 +3%? I can only take it away from GTLREF2 at -3%, -6%, and -9%. Is this strange or even worth messing with this setting with only being able to adjust 1 GTL_REF voltage?
Not yet but i'm gonna wait until they sort out that compatability problem, and any other little problems they discover after everyone has it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Dower
Thank you sir, appreciated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hornet331
anyone looking for a good 4GB DDR2 RAM kit
have a look at the testing i've done with a Gigabyte X38-DQ6 board (i love this board :D)
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=186814
I've had no issues at all with 4x1GB on the X38DQ6.
Corsair 8500 C5 running at 1066 5-5-5-15 100% stable.
I've seen issues with many other boards but this one takes 4 sticks quite happily.
I do like the idea of 4x2GB though
Heh! My RAM also does 1.2Ghz on 5-5-5-15 and is cheaper! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
For the record, lots of mobos can do 4 slots and many up to DDR1066. It is in overclocking more of the RAM and especially the mobo and CPU all together that is limited by 4 slot configuration, hence the word LIMIT, just means take 2 out and you can go a bit further if you want.
:up: that's great manQuote:
Originally Posted by Caped Crusader
OCing is pot luck
there is always someone with a better kit or more luck :D
Yeah, i know man. But G.SKILL's kits are extremely consistent with OCing. and they love this board too :)Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
Have you people noticed that the Q9450s are gone??? The ones left out there are $450!!~... What the hell is about to happen here to make them discontinue these?
they dont "discontinued" them, the demand just exceeds supply..Quote:
Originally Posted by truehighroller
Well, NewEgg says they discontinued this item. Microcenter doesn't list them any more either.
LOL! WTF!? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by truehighroller
Did you look? They are literally disapearing.. I'm probably going to get an e8400 today and say f it for a while and give my old lady my q6600 for her pc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caped Crusader
I recently bought a Q6700 on sale and I'm extremely happy. I see no reason to buy one of the new ones except if you are new to quads IMHO. The 65nm ones are very fast processors and OC easily to 3.4/3.6 with under 1.4v. That's more power you will ever need, for games, multithreaded apps or whatever.Quote:
Originally Posted by truehighroller
Besides, the new 45nm parts are rare due to production issues and hence pretty expensive. IMHO they aren't worth the price retailers are asking.
I bought the Q9300.. I will post what I get with overclock once I reload my OS.
Can anyone add voltage to GTLREF2? Dinos22, howcome you can add +6% and I can only add +3% to GTLREF1? Can you add any to GTLREF2, dinos22?
What will GTLREF1 help?
I can't get 512FSB, it freezes like 5 minutes into windows regardless of my settings on MCH..
From my understanding it should help higher fsb overclocks, but I am not certain if it matters if you cannot increase both GTLREF1 and GTLREF2. I am not seeing much improvement when changing just GTLREF1.
My Q9450 came from Tankguys and cost $400, shipping broke my heart.
GTL_Fer1/2? Is this listed as a CPU GTL_Ref 1/2, as in GTL ref for each of a dual core or 2 sets of a quad, or is it just a cPU GLT and a chipset GLT ref caled 1 & 2? Whya cant Gigabyte just lable their stuff like ASUS does so we can all make sence of it. +2 means nothing if you have no idea what 0 was to begin with.
Does this mobo report chipset and other voltages in Everest in actual vales used to compare? I know my P35C-DS3R doesn't yet. (as of Sep '07 Everest BETA v4.20.xx).
If nobody wants to create a BIOS template, can somebody at least direct me to a link of one from any forum or tread?
There is a bios template for these boards in this thread.
Everest 4.5 is out, and I get all voltages reported fine.
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Originally Posted by Nuckin_Futs
I hooked up all, my old stuff to my old GA-P35-DQ6 that GigaByte sent back to me and said was fine, and no post....... I was so tired at that point considering I had to setup both my new setup / old one at that point, I just started to overclock the new Q9300 a little. I beleive, I was able to get 7.5 x 421 = 3.16Ghz~ and then I hit a wall... I gave up quick however and turned off the PC and went to bed. I am going to chew GigaByte a new ass today for sending me back a board that doesn't even post.
The EP35 got a beta bios update, they listed the audio latency as a fix...so GB do seem to be working on it.
I want one for mine that fixes my overclock to be better..
Can you POST a link to page or users profile? I didn to find yet, starting from beginning of tread. So yes, I am looking when I get time to read.Quote:
Originally Posted by TyphooN
http://www.jzelectronic.de/jz2/index.php
Bios templates can be found here.
You must have been searching hard.. search the thread with the word template, and it comes up.. :shrug:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuckin_Futs
guys definitely try this new bios F9a
i've been playing with it as of late and i have to tell you it's pretty bloody good.....i'm finally happy with a bios after F3... :up::up::up::up::up::up:
it would be prettyy difficult as the Asus P5E3 Premium WiFi is the 1st asus board to have dual channel GTL ReF settings.Quote:
Whya cant Gigabyte just lable their stuff like ASUS
GTLREF1 = cores 0 & 2
GT:REF2 = cores 1 &3
Default values are I think 67% & 63%
luck:)
Have you checked your board for the latency problem?Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
Any specifics that jump out?
I'll give it a go, but would like to know where I should expect to see improvments.
I'm currently on F7 which I've found very stable, gives me 400x9 or 450x8 no problems on my Q6600.
Memory clocks up to 1200 on 450x8 using 2.66d without any issues (even with the 4x1 GB sticks)
I've recently stuck with 400x8 and 1066 as my chipset seems to get very hot, I'm awaiting all the Acetal EK chipset/Mosfet blocks to come into UK stock before cranking the fsb up over 400 again especially with the weather getting hotter.
Quote:
Originally Posted by dinos22
It wouldn't be all that hard. DFI offered it for over a year now since early Q6600. P5E3 Premium is just the 1st from ASUS, while MSI and few others have too for a bit now. It was just a NAND flash and BIOS upgrade, otherwise same as 1st MAXIMUS FORMULA wich P5E later became.Quote:
Originally Posted by Supershanks
I just meant it would be nice to see actual selectable values of voltages and strapping as well as dividers.
I have been able to get to 420x 7.5 = 3.15Ghz Easy on 1.26v~ I just let it sit on that last night to burn it in a little. I will jack it up more soon.
Pretty good freq for the volts:yepp:
I never seem to get any CPU that will do much at all at low volts.
They've all tended to do well as far as top end freq but then they've all needed some serious volts to get there.
One day I'll get one that clocks well and doesn't take too much juice to do it!
It's a q9300 but, I'm guessing you cought that already though. My other board which I still think is better then this one "GA-P35-DQ6" is blown,, I am sending it back tonight. I was pist when I figured out that they GigaByet sent it back to me not booting at all... My q6600 as you see in my sig does good to. I am probably giving this one to much voltage for the speed it is at right now.
No I thought it was the Q6600 you had at that voltage/speed.
Still plenty of people seem to get away with far lower voltage than me.
I'm still holding off of 45nm, as I can't see one that jumps out and says 'Buy Me' not like the Conroes did anyway.
I tried F9b, bios dated April 18th....but as Pookie said, you can't overclock at all. You try set anything other then default FSB it won't accept it.
That is a winner bios, ding ding ding, lmao, what was gigabyte thinking there huh,Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Dower
I did say you cant overclock when i first posted the F9b bios here a few pages back. Its not meant to be for mainstream usage. The F9b is a test bios to resolve the latency issue. When (if) they fix the latency issue the final bios will re enable the overclocking features.Quote:
Originally Posted by truehighroller
So if you dont have or dont care about the latency issue , stick with F9a for now.
??? Look what bios I have and what is the CPU freq.Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Dower
I like this bios, they fixed something in memory settings. I had to drop down the votage from 2.6 almost, to 2.35 for my memos to work... Otherwise no boot.
Advice, do a bios complete reset.
I have an ex38 so, I don't get to use the bios that disables overclocking darn lol. Any way I got my shiznit up to I bebeive it was 445 x7.5 last night and my shiznit was snappy. I did a latency test on my board fyi and it has the issue as well but, I don't think it is as bad as some people here though. I also besides that subject ran some test on my 445 x7.5 and wow it is alot snappier then my q6600 that is for sure. I was able to get it to like the 2.4b setting and with extreme and a speed setting of 7 it is giving me like 56ms response and 9000~ Mbs all way across in everest on the memory test.
Hello truehighroller.Quote:
Originally Posted by truehighroller
I'm Spanish. Sorry by my bad English.
I have an EX38 DS5 and I tried to overclock my system at 500x8 = 4000Mhz on Intel 8400 1:1 (mem at 1000Mhz) with performance Level 11 (100% stable)
With this I get 8500 mb/s in Everest
If I overclock my system at 445*9=4005Mhz with mem at 2.4b and Performance level at 7 I get in Everest 9150 mb/s and low latences. (100% stable)
With this numbers, I think the best overclock I can do are 445*9
Is it right ?
Thank you very much !
I would think probably but, I am still burning my new one is to so, you might be able to get more out of her if you try. What voltage are you using? I had to get the motherboard to pump 1.35v into it to get it happy there last night. My bios isn't the best either it has obvious flaws in it like the phaze adjust not working,,,. My overclock with my q6600 was severly held back by this board, with my P35 DQ6 I could easily reach 4.15Ghz with my Q6600 and with this one I was lucky to pull 3.95Ghz.
Hello guys
since i swap my old C2Q (which is hardly OC to 3.8)
i said its not worth it if i dont reach 4.0 GHz , with my new E8400 pross.
and in fact it was very easy to achieve the target
Of course i dont forget to OC my 9800GX2 two :up::up:
http://www4.0zz0.com/2008/05/09/12/535481988.jpg
:up::up:
Ya 45nm is really good for overclocking.
Well everyone,
After 6 months with my ga-x38-dq6 v1.0 board, my likes and dislikes:
FOR
1. Good overclocker
2. Rock solid stability
AGAINST
1. Terrible vdroop
2. DPC Latency
3. Advanced BIOS MIT settings - WTF do they do? No real world examples
4. Crazy Cool is not really that cool
Overall considering the $400 AUD buy price I give it a score of 7/10
a GOOD bios release could notch it up 2 points, but I think it's more hardware limitations, probably need to do a vdroop mod, but can't find idiot proof instructions.
What are your thoughts on your x38-dq6?
CPU-Z 1.45: http://www.cpuid.com/download/cpuz_145.zip
http://pix.nofrag.com/f/6/1/3e8ee6fd...6eb5d0c81t.jpg
My best fsb at the moment on this X38T-DQ6 board
My opinion on this board is that it goes quite allright, nothing to deplore, maybe a bit weak on fsb :p: and not as reactive as an Asus mobo on spi1m and Co.
Anyways I like it :clap:
Oups, Still there is something annoying: not too much bios releases for that DDR3 version
EDIT: Can I set the vfsb at 1.35v or even 1.4v for today use ?
I'd like to get my cpu running at 534x7.5
Highest +'s:up:
Very stable when overclocked
Very easy to overclock
Enough ports for all my hardware (at last)
Hardware compatibility seems very good
Lowest -'s:down:
Crazy cool 'so not cool' serious heat at 500fsb (hopefully w/block will sort)
annoying start-up recycling after being switched off overnight 'with PSU on' regularly needs the PSU switched off/on to allow clean boot.
Space between memory and 1st GPU slot, too small for safe memory cooler fan to be fitted.
Realtek 8111B/C LAN drivers, version 6.206 dated May 9th 2008:
http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/...&GetDown=false
X58 by Xmas?
http://en.expreview.com/2008/05/09/i...m-mobo-is-x58/
I guess my X38 will hang out a bit more :)
Same here, thats my next setup, I'll probably wait for the 45nm CPU until then as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Caped Crusader
DDR3 prices should be even better by then as well:)
+1 ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by BigDK
can someone post oc'ed bios settings for a EX38-DS5??
My friend in sweden is trying to get his cpu (E8400) on 3.6ghz with this ram (Crucials PC6400 4-4-4-12 2.2V).
The problem is that the bios says 3.6ghz but windows says 3ghz so default. I am thinking that the bios doesn't save the oc settings.
Using bios F2 and disabled USB legacy device in bios.
He has probably speedstep enabled. He has to disable it in BIOS to prevent windows to fall back to stock speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by 187(V)URD@
Anybody there knows what the clock generator on x38 ds5 is .
Is for setfsb .
I think it is GIGABYTE GA-X38-DS5 : ICS9LPRS914EXL ou EKL
If it wasnt for the latency issue i would give it an 8 out of 10, but as it is 6/10. You can get good overclocks etc but the latency issue spoils it and affects performance.
ToyTen Thx
It´s ICS9LPRS914EKL
I think you have a problem there, I do not have any latency problems, especially with F9b bios. Works like a charm ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Buggalugs
What program will tell me my voltages on mch and what not?
Any one??
I'm tempted to take my q9300 back and just get another new q6600. I can't keep this thing stable above 3.3Ghz and it isn't doing to good compared to my q6600.
What are some latencies examples at 480 & 500 FSB (Everest)? Does this mobo offer any control of trd (performance level) like ASUS, or any clock skew , pull ins or pull outs? These areas can greatly impove RAM/NB performance. I can get trd7 @ 480 & 500.
Mine hits 6 with 1176 Mhz Memory 2.6d strap.
hi there
its hot.. summer is here ... I had to drop the speed down on my board..... me needs water cooling !!
anyone know of a good site or list of parts that would be good for a x38-dq6 with a q6600?
peace:)
Has anyone received a Revision 1.3 PCB for any of the EX or X38 models?
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Originally Posted by ChrissTi
Well Gigabyte have released bios fixes for a problem they admit lies with the motherboard. The problem is the bios fixes only help with the problem in most cases.
Sure my system works and gets good normal benchmarks scores etc etc, but it has an issue that other boards dont have.
I could understand it not being a problem for the average PC user but if you spend top dollar on high end parts i kinda expect better.
I would like to see a screenshot of the DPC checker on your system, if its not too much trouble. You might be one of the lucky ones but from what i'm seeing on different forums it looks like about 90% have the problem on all Gigabyte boards.
Have Gigabyte forsaken us??....it's been over a month since the last bios update...come on GB!