Sapphire Shows Radeon Xpress 200 Enthusiast Board @ CeBit

No offense, Prek, but to call me wrong when you cannot be sure, well, is wrong. If your choice of words was a bit better, maybe things would be different.

The board featured in the beginning of the thread is an RS-based board.

Along with the article i linked with the picture of the "RD480", has been a slew of other info to OEM's, and integrating the chipsets into thier boards. From what they say, it WILL be RS and RD for naming of these chips, for the reasons i mentioned. ATI has never had off-base naming schemes for thier products. Best i can tell, the other "labels" were pre-production names for the revisions of these chipsets.

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Originally Posted by cadaveca

No offense, Prek, but to call me wrong when you cannot be sure, well, is wrong. If your choice of words was a bit better, maybe things would be different.

The board featured in the beginning of the thread is an RS-based board.

Along with the article i linked with the picture of the "RD480", has been a slew of other info to OEM's, and integrating the chipsets into thier boards. From what they say, it WILL be RS and RD for naming of these chips, for the reasons i mentioned. ATI has never had off-base naming schemes for thier products. Best i can tell, the other "labels" were pre-production names for the revisions of these chipsets.

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I've been caught off guard by ATI's MVP stuff twice now (stinged once too) ;) so please do excuse my attitude in that manner. It was a harmless statement really. If you had proof of where it said that S meant single and D meant dual...in words...I would have put this :owned: right next to my name in my own post and would have put :worship: whenever addressing you for a month lol.

Anyhoo, yes these are labels and it may not be entirely ATI's fault for the confusion. The partners who make the boards use their own names for the chipsets at times, but based on the boards out RIGHT now in retail...and I've been following the retail boards quite closely, I've seen a pretty consistent naming scheme, which I posted in my first response to you ;).

Perkam

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Originally Posted by perkam

Well there are things I'm unsure about, but...holy !! Where in the world did you get RD580 from ????? lol The only incarnation of xx580 would be the successor of the R520 the R580 (just as there was R420 and R480)...It's quite simple to be confused by these numbers ;) .


Perkam

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http://www.digitimes.com/mobos/a20050418A6032.html

Charles Chou may have been confused, but I remember seeing "RD580" in roadmaps at other places too.

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"In addition, ATI will introduce two high-end chipsets supporting its dual graphics card Multi-Rendering platform to compete with Nvidia’s nForce4 SLI (scalable link interface) platform, motherboard makers indicated. The RD400 for the Intel platform will be available by the third quarter of this year, said the makers, adding that ATI will launch its RD580 for the AMD platform soon after that."

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Really, all this speculation as to what's named what is an act in futilility until we actually see working boards with these new chipsets.

Enough of the speculation. The RS and RX series of chipsets support single GPU. If there was to be a chipset that supports dual GPU it would be labelled RD. The "D" in "RD" would stand for dual. The "S" in "RS" stands for shared as in shared memory architecture.

Some other points to straighten out, IDE will be included on all boards. As for an RD580, there is no such piece of silicon. It is named properly as a next generation part, but doesn't exist.

Now please, let's stay on topic here.

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Originally Posted by perkam

I've been caught off guard by ATI's MVP stuff twice now (stinged once too) ;) so please do excuse my attitude in that manner. It was a harmless statement really. If you had proof of where it said that S meant single and D meant dual...in words...I would have put this :owned: right next to my name in my own post and would have put :worship: whenever addressing you for a month lol.

Anyhoo, yes these are labels and it may not be entirely ATI's fault for the confusion. The partners who make the boards use their own names for the chipsets at times, but based on the boards out RIGHT now in retail...and I've been following the retail boards quite closely, I've seen a pretty consistent naming scheme, which I posted in my first response to you ;).

Perkam

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Rest assured it runs fine at extreme cold. Last time I poked in the lab the guys were running 22-23 second superpi 1M and 9K 3DMark05 runs. No tweaks or tricks neither. Just fresh WinXP SP2 install with Catalyst 5.4 drivers.

So is that enough to keep you guys interested?

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Originally Posted by killingspreez

i'm really looking forward to the release of this mobo.
i'hope that it's oc-performance is as good as the dfi nf4 performance.

and hopefully this cool ati-multi-card-feature is already integrated :)
additionally i need to know if the board has any kind of sub-zero problems cuz i#ll change to a vapochill or chill1/ice's cooling unit :)

then i'll go and buy it :)

mfg

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Originally Posted by Grayskull

Rest assured it runs fine at extreme cold. Last time I poked in the lab the guys were running 22-23 second superpi 1M and 9K 3DMark05 runs. No tweaks or tricks neither. Just fresh WinXP SP2 install with Catalyst 5.4 drivers.

So is that enough to keep you guys interested?

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That's good news, Grayskull. Thanks for keeping us in the loop. :toast:

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Originally Posted by Grayskull

The "S" in "RS" stands for shared as in shared memory architecture.

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As in onboard video w/ Hypermemory? RX =Radeon Xpress?

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Originally Posted by Grayskull

Rest assured it runs fine at extreme cold. Last time I poked in the lab the guys were running 22-23 second superpi 1M and 9K 3DMark05 runs. No tweaks or tricks neither. Just fresh WinXP SP2 install with Catalyst 5.4 drivers.

So is that enough to keep you guys interested?

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That's of course a rhetorical question around here. Can we get the guys in the lab to "leak" a few screenshots in the interests of marketing so some ATI friendly fans can put off buying yet another Nvidia chipset motherboard? :D

Gray we have been ready to order over a month now =)

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Originally Posted by Grayskull

Rest assured it runs fine at extreme cold. Last time I poked in the lab the guys were running 22-23 second superpi 1M and 9K 3DMark05 runs. No tweaks or tricks neither. Just fresh WinXP SP2 install with Catalyst 5.4 drivers.

So is that enough to keep you guys interested?

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To be honest i'd be more interested by an ETA.

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Originally Posted by Grayskull

Rest assured it runs fine at extreme cold. Last time I poked in the lab the guys were running 22-23 second superpi 1M and 9K 3DMark05 runs. No tweaks or tricks neither. Just fresh WinXP SP2 install with Catalyst 5.4 drivers.

So is that enough to keep you guys interested?

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:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH !!!!!! INFO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

9k in 05 :D omg !!!! Nice !!!!!

...and I guess the D meant dual, but the RS thing was pretty dumb...Shared ??? oh well, might mean shared video cos I have yet to see an RX board with onboard video.

At the very least, all this speculation at least summons Grayskull to the forums for some more yummy tid bits of info :D lol

Perkam

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Originally Posted by perkam

9k in 05 at stock :D omg !!!! Nice !!!!!

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He didn't say stock, I believe its just no tweaks or tricks on the drivers or OS. At stock any combination CPU or video card wouldn't reach 9K unless they have traveled into the future and retrieved a motherboard that has technolgy lifted from a crashed alien spacecraft and employed that technology in their new chipset. Of course if that is the case, feel free to hyperventilate and/or soil yourself. :D

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Originally Posted by gundamit

He didn't say stock, I believe its just no tweaks or tricks on the drivers or OS. At stock any combination CPU or video card wouldn't reach 9K unless they have traveled into the future and retrieved a motherboard that has technolgy lifted from a crashed alien spacecraft and employed that technology in their new chipset. Of course if that is the case, feel free to hyperventilate and/or soil yourself. :D

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EDIT: Xtreme Cold...hmmm...could mean a LOT of things.

At any rate, its worth considering the possibilities :D ...and this board all of a sudden seems promising :D I just hope they make sub $120 version of it :(

Perkam

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Originally Posted by perkam

Most likely driver based, but that wont negate the need for a different high-end chipset ;) ...dont expect MVP mobos to be cheap or to have IDE slots lol ;)

Perkam

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nf4 sli isnt high end? If its driver based then hopefully it will work on these boards

9K while they were testing it "at extreme cold" and it seems unlikely they were testing extreme cold without an extreme overclock. I do agree that regardless of how you get there, 9K on 3DMark (single GPU) is impressive and more than enough to pique my interest again on this motherboard.

Regarding price point ... yes it would be very cool to have a basic (aka inexpensive) version that includes all the OC goodness, while leaving out multiple raid controllers, premium sound, extra serial connectors, glow in the dark cables, panels, and lanparty gear. It wold be amazing it the ATI board (right out of the gate) became the default board for OC'ers looking for single video card rigs.

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Originally Posted by gundamit

9K while they were testing it "at extreme cold" and it seems unlikely they were testing extreme cold without an extreme overclock. I do agree that regardless of how you get there, 9K on 3DMark (single GPU) is impressive and more than enough to pique my interest again on this motherboard.

Regarding price point ... yes it would be very cool to have a basic (aka inexpensive) version that includes all the OC goodness, while leaving out multiple raid controllers, premium sound, extra serial connectors, glow in the dark cables, panels, and lanparty gear. It wold be amazing it the ATI board (right out of the gate) became the default board for OC'ers looking for single video card rigs.

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Didnt see the xtreme cold part ;) ...but doing it consistently at 9k says a lot about the mobo. Me thinks they can even break OPPs one card score if they were allowed to post at ORB lol.

I'd love an inexpensive board...for single cards...many ppl, including me, dont need mvp, but we also dont need the kind of boards that are out right now based on the chipset.

As for the driver thing, lol no I'm quite sure you wont be able to use MVP with Nvidia based chipset...cos that'll open a huge pot of questions...BUT if Nvidia's drivers begin to support supertiling, or have the option of using it, only then can there be a chance, but again, HIGHLY unlikely, since ATI doesnt use a bridge ... SLI IS a tad Hardware based as well.

Perkam

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Originally Posted by perkam

doing it consistently at 9k says a lot about the mobo.
Perkam

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It doesn't tell me a lot about the mobo, as i have no clue what hardware they were using at the moment, could as well have been using a r520. Numbers alone don't give any infos, they just lead to speculations.

I'm not convinced that ATI has that much control over the release of the actual boards.
Like Greyskull said it is up to the MB makers to assume production and intergrate all the overclocking features that have been developed.

I dought Saphire Motherboard division is up to the task of supporting a highly overclockable motherboard Via costomersupport.

And I do not see the other no name board makers that have shown preproduction models supporting a highly tweakable production board.

A company like DFI or MSI,ASUS or alike needs to pickup this chipset. And produce the board we are all waiting on.

X850XT PE @ 770E/685M
OCZ VX
FX CPU

CPU and GFX under cascade.

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Originally Posted by LowRun

It doesn't tell me a lot about the mobo, as i have no clue what hardware they were using at the moment, could as well have been using a r520. Numbers alone don't give any infos, they just lead to speculations.

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That's correct. We do not directly control any product shipment dates for mobo vendors.

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Originally Posted by bypolar

I'm not convinced that ATI has that much control over the release of the actual boards.
Like Greyskull said it is up to the MB makers to assume production and intergrate all the overclocking features that have been developed.

I dought Saphire Motherboard division is up to the task of supporting a highly overclockable motherboard Via costomersupport.

And I do not see the other no name board makers that have shown preproduction models supporting a highly tweakable production board.

A company like DFI or MSI,ASUS or alike needs to pickup this chipset. And produce the board we are all waiting on.

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You need to ask the mobo vendor for that.

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Originally Posted by LowRun

To be honest i'd be more interested by an ETA.

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Originally Posted by Grayskull

X850XT PE @ 770E/685M
OCZ VX
FX CPU

CPU and GFX under cascade.

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VERY nice wow...:eek: ...You guys should try 01 run with that :p: ...it'd get 40k too easily. But thx for the info....I know ATI isnt an overclocking lab lol, they're a company that makes these amazing chips...but nice to see they test them this way, too :eek: even when its only for less than 1% of the market.

Perkam

To be clear, no tweaks or tricks to the OS. Superpi at 22 seconds without any OS tweaks or tricks (i.e. shutting down all non essential services etc) is pretty difficult to get.

9K was attained with both CPU and GFX overclocked.

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Originally Posted by gundamit

He didn't say stock, I believe its just no tweaks or tricks on the drivers or OS. At stock any combination CPU or video card wouldn't reach 9K unless they have traveled into the future and retrieved a motherboard that has technolgy lifted from a crashed alien spacecraft and employed that technology in their new chipset. Of course if that is the case, feel free to hyperventilate and/or soil yourself. :D

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Actually over 40K, quite easily.

You are correct, we are not an overclocking house and don't intend to be. However, running a board like this does have some limited use for us. Not much though.

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Originally Posted by perkam

VERY nice wow...:eek: ...You guys should try 01 run with that :p: ...it'd get 40k too easily. But thx for the info....I know ATI isnt an overclocking lab lol, they're a company that makes these amazing chips...but nice to see they test them this way, too :eek: even when its only for less than 1% of the market.

Perkam

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grayskull can you tell us if ati multi rendering will work on any chipset that supports 2x pcie 8x slots?