Well they all seem to read too high on the PMs but 50C is still a bit high for an overread temp for stock volts - should be around 38C at most - sounds like a case of poor contact...Quote:
Originally Posted by marvt74
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Well they all seem to read too high on the PMs but 50C is still a bit high for an overread temp for stock volts - should be around 38C at most - sounds like a case of poor contact...Quote:
Originally Posted by marvt74
Member of the 26s super pi club :) Spent a few hours tweaking went from 27.313s to what you see below. Surprising that memory timings and refresh rates were not performing best at the lowest rates. I have my memory settings in the 2nd image below:
http://www.600hpmiata.com/pics/Super...Dothan%204.JPG
http://www.600hpmiata.com/pics/Super...Dothan%203.JPG
I have a p4p800se and 730 PM with stock HS&fan, the temp readings in bios are 6c higher than the ones in speedfan. Right now i'm on 2.55ghz (11x232) with 1.4v Vcore. In speedfan, idle 41c, full load 51c. Still testing with prime95. So which temp reading is correct?
Welll
I was moving away from Dothan to make way for my ES Presler EE. Had the P4GD1 packed up and all, turns out I still had two working adaptors, etc. Sold all my DDR1 ('cept the ECC stuff in my server). Didn't have a working PM (except the 715 in my laptop).
Anyways, I decided to upgrade my laptop to a 915 based on, came with a 740. I'm configuring Wwwww Power Saving Tech :P (just a manipulation of Eist to change vcore the minimum needed for user selected clock) when I noticed, I could run my chip @ the stock 1.73GHz @ 0.9V. So I'm like, whoa. I had already promised myself I would not take the chip out, so that's that.
Anyways long story short, I fired her up in the P4GD1. Set at 1.3V, (actual was around 1.42V) she made it all the way to 2.866GHz 3d stable, and 2.93 PI stable! This is without any adaptor mods, no burning in and on stock cooler. @ 1.4V (actual 1.5V) I could actually make her post at 3Ghz!!!
http://service.futuremark.com/compare?2k1=8862379
There's the futuremark score, probably hurt by the lack of dual channel, or the sheer low clocked, crap timing ram, or maybe the fact that it kicked into virtual ram during the test (can hear the hdd going).
There was only 256MB in there, futuremark is lying that I had 512MB.
For a 740? That's nice! Did you prime95 it?
nice wwww. not many 740s can pull that off.
Here I am .....with frozen water.....:)
Hi Guys,
I've just got a Pentium M 770 and a P4P800-E Dlx, and I need some bios advice.......
Which bios should I use with this mobo/cpu? Can't use the multiplier with the latest bios from asus' site!
And where should I put my jumper - 400 or 533 mhz??
Really hope you can help.......
use the latest p4p800-se bios.Quote:
Originally Posted by malkekoen
search this or the other dothan thread how to flash it.
as for jumper - i don't really know if it matters - i have jumpers completely removed.
my other system has jumpers at 533mhz, only because p4p800vm has no fsb settings in bios..
Cant i just use the ordinary afudos to flash it with?
see the first post of the howto and fixes thread, its explained in there.
Link to the old afudos version doesn't work. Can you help me out (v1.16b)???
Anyone have idea about that? ThanksQuote:
Originally Posted by tonyl
Ok. Got it flashed - works perfect :)...... (P4P800-E dlx, flashed with P4P800SE 1011).
BUT
I'm having real problems in using clockgen... Everytime i just put it up 1 notch - the system get unstable. So if you could give me some words on setting up my bios - you would be my hero.
Dothan 770 2,13 ghz
BIOS: FSB at 199 (to have PAT enabled).
Dram (I can set that from anything from 233 til 533 -what should it be)
Multiplier 13x
Turbo enabled
Enhanced memory enabled
My memory runs fsb 270 in my ic7-g - so the speeds cant be an issue.
Pleeeeeeeease give me some advice ......
nope, but 3dmark01 stable for me is good enough - didn't have too much time, had to shove the chip back in my laptop 'cause needed to get some work done.Quote:
Originally Posted by tonyl
I reckon with a few adaptor mods and some burning in the chip will be stable at 3Ghz on stock cooler.
This is my m 730 on air @2890mhz
http://www.nordichardware.se/smpc200...1136506717.jpg
3dmark 05 at 2870mhz all air only 1,5v biosmod made on 7800gt stock heatsink
http://www.nordichardware.se/smpc200...1136506715.jpg
What is your Vcore and cooling for both benchs ?
Nice clock :D
my maxscreen with 740
fsb 533 on CT , not try FSB 100 but soon
under cascade with p4 ihs
http://112233445566.free.fr/PM740/3381%20PM%20740.jpg
Well done skirms! :D
tonyl, both your temps are allright (there is no HLT engaged from OS in Bios! thus are higher shown) ... :)
I see, thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by Spajky
Is 53c ok under load? P-M 770...
what volts.Quote:
Originally Posted by malkekoen
i used to get 44 under load on 1.6v...
then I installed IHS (the contact is very good, I have taken off and put back on a few times now) and now i get 53 max load like you..
I tried taking IHS off and seeing if it brough temps back down to before, but they stay the same! :confused:
Dunno what happened, but now i've grown not to care :rolleyes:
Ok..... i'm using the stock heatsinck, and at 1,485 V i get 53-54 load temps. don't know if it matters....?
PS... and yes, i'm getting a better hs (7000cu) - and i'm putting it on sometime when i dare.... i'm sure im gonna end up with one broken 770 :(
Its not as bad as you think... I've mounted a Huge Zalman 9500 on mine and never get above 50c and that is with 1.6v and prime 95. (much happier now that I reseated it for the 296802986 time :) )Quote:
Originally Posted by malkekoen
Sunin, is your computer standing or lying (that is, can the chip/mobo carry the weight of the 9500 vertically)?
Mine is vertical and yes it has no problems holding the weight... it really is more a function of getting it to clamp down sufficiently! I ended up using 2 washer on the post that the clip normally feeds onto and tying the bars to the top of the existing 478 bridge. I have photo's here: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...postcount=1671 I since have moved the bars from upside down to clamping ontop of the holes and using 16gauge wire to secure.Quote:
Originally Posted by malkekoen
its -30C here in Estonia so i tried some oc with aircooled dothan and watercooled X700PRO... so what happened? it was a big mess:slapass:
i got rig as written on my sig..
cpu aircooled with freezer 4 and vga watercooled with home made stuff and vodka
so what happened:
VGA temp @ idle = -15C
VGA temp @ load = -2C
pretty good, i used 40 degrees vodka in watercooling and it phuking freezed
when i used fans to cool the radiator so temp was under -40C:D
so i didnt use fans and got those temps on vga as i mentioned before(-2/-15C)
for cpu i used AC Freezer 4 with Thermaltake 12 fan @ 5.5k rpm
all was good, cpu temp went down to 7C and then it started to rise..
it rose to 120C cos phucking Freezer 4 heatpipes were frozen:eek: :banana:
so i dont recommend coolers with heatpipes for low temps...
mobos temp was -7C and it ran just fine..
damn that Freezer 4:nono: :(
lol, never heard of heatpipes freezing before.
häppens :banana:
i also thought ill test my rig in this freezeing cold (about -25 in tallinn). hard luck cause i also have heatpiped cooler :)
:Dbut it was like that:DQuote:
Originally Posted by skane
gonna try tomorrow with CT479 inbox :p:
estonia is clockland :D
does ur 780 an ES or not ?
its not an ESQuote:
Originally Posted by skirms_fr
Hey guys, will this Pentium M work with the adapter (1.5GHz/400/1M)?
If so, it is really well priced right now...$45.00, plus shipping from mWave for a new retail product.
http://www.mwave.com/mwave/viewspec....iteria=BA03116
It will work but it's neither a good overclocker nor a very fast chip.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reefa_Madness
adapter is for s479
a new small clock for me
100% unstable :D
http://112233445566.free.fr/PM740/3500.jpg
Ok, thanks for the info. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by wwwww
Anyone know why would my system shut off right after I press the power button?
I have tried it with many different BIOSes, but still I get the same thing
Pm 750+ct-479+p4p800-e deluxe
no post whatsoever, it just shuts off a second after I power on the system
Have you flashed the board to the 1006 bios with a P4 cpu first?
of course,Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
well not the 1006 bios, but I have tried the p4p800-se bios 1011 (I am on it right now)
as well as the latest p4p800-e deluxe
I am using the board + my 2.4c to type this out now, so I dont think the board is a problem
also, if I take out the 4 pin ATX connector which goes into the motherboard, it does not shut off immediately
I just get a black screen with no beeps/no post
but as soon as I plug the 4 pin atx back in the motherboard, the system shuts off
the 1006 doesnt support dothan, only bioses 1007 and later do.
Did You noticed that Performance on i875 with 2x512MB is uch better than 2x256 ??
10x230 2225 I saw 20s differences in Super Pi 16M
This is because of bank-interleaving. In small calculations like 1m the memory bandwidth isn't so important because much of the data fit's in the L2 cache. During bigger calculations bank interleaving is much more relevant as it increases memory bandwidth and much memory is needed to it the data during the calculation. This is also why K8 cpu's are clock for clock slower in 1m than Dothans but faster in 8m+.Quote:
Originally Posted by yotomeczek
Quote:
Originally Posted by alexio
well,
so I need advice what 2x512 will clock well on i875 in dual :D
My Geil One W didn't
on A64/i915 258MHz but with i875 only 230 :/
This is also why my 4x512 6-3-3-2@240 no pat was faster than 2x512@240 and pat.Quote:
Originally Posted by alexio
Hi guys,
I got a P-M 750 (1.86GHz, multi 14x) - it is in a laptop for now - but it does prime95 stable at 1.05V (downvolted from 1.308V). How high do you think that it will go with a CT479, and what would be the maximum reccomended votage for 24/7 ? 10x
http://112233445566.free.fr/PM740/3588.jpg
hop :D
3588 synchro 5222
will try with coef 12 and desynchro
Awesome skirms that on cascade?
Also what jumpers is everyone using on the ct-479 just been told setting it to 400 is better
is it 2x256MB ??Quote:
Originally Posted by skirms_fr
yes it is 2 256 bh5 corsair LL3200 + mushkin 3500 lvl2
yes it is under casacde , and the jumper is on fsb400
WR on pm740 is new beatlle with LN² @ 3660
i need ethylen :D or if with ethylen i cant , ln² on the pm i think, but i thnk too that the chip i915p limit me :/
Now I am having some issues. Last night I benched all 05/03/01 with 2.8Ghz/591/600Mhz on CPU/GPU and played my flight sim for a few. Today I cant even play my damn flight sim. Once it shut off and two other times it froze. What is the problem here? Room temperature is about 2ºC higher.... I need to input guys.
Alex
I had that issue a while back with Need For Speed Most Wanted. It was a combination of running my ram timings to tight and running my GPU to high.
For 24/7 use I have them set @ stock. I found that when it crashed to my desktop it was the GPU and when it restarted all together it was my RAM. Try looser timings or another divider for your RAM maybe even a higher voltage, or if you've got your GPU OC'd bring it back to stock. I spose depending on how far you've pushed your FSB it could be chipset volts too. Experimentation through trial and error is the key.
FSB is only at 215 so its not very high. I am suspecting is the PSU not having enough juice to power both CPU and GPU (X850XT PE eats those Watts). I dont think its the chipset either. OCZ PS 520W is on the way. We will see.
Alex
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlueWonder
I had the same issue with WOW. Had to crank back the memory timing a hair... I was running 2-3-3-5 and was solid in super pi and 06/05/03/01 and wow would lock within an hour. Loosened timings some and walla... no more locks...
anyone wants good Dothan 780?
heres mine: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=6846473076
3,5ghz 24/7 stable with Vapochill LS
3,1ghz 24/7 stable with aircooling (AC Freezer 4)
dream cpu for extreme oc-er, prolly will do 3.9 and up with ln2;)
is it an ES ? :D
no, its not ES and it oc-s like mad and likes high multi + high mem speedQuote:
Originally Posted by skirms_fr
max spi 1mo on dothan 740 , 2 x 256 bh5 @ 3.9v
http://112233445566.free.fr/PM740/22...740%203433.jpg
really nice, but you are on a 21s frequency!!!
i know ;)
but i915 :/
nice results Skirms! :thumbsup:
will have a i915 to play with in a couple of days :)
almost 100pages in this thread :D
What's the reserve on that sweet chip?:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Winterwind
Quote:
Originally Posted by lawrywild
i ve bought a p4gd1 for pcie , so for 3D it s a good mb
for pi the best is i865 / 875 but i havent :p
yeh i know, but my p4c800-e blew up and since its my 24/7 rig i decided to move away from AGP at all costs...Quote:
Originally Posted by skirms_fr
bid and see:D it isint much more than regular 780Quote:
Originally Posted by Movieman
edit:
hehe, cpu is 3.1ghz 3d/prime stable with Freezer4 :D
Hey guys I need some help here.
I have a p-m 750 perfectly prime stable at 2.63GHz 1.4V on a P4GPL-X, ct-479 with vcca mod, cooling is 7700AlCu. No matter how I increase the Vcore or change the trimmer for vcca, I can't get past fsb 188. As I set 189 or 190, the computer freezes. vdd is already 1.6V, I tried pci-e at 90, 95,100, auto etc still no chance. Max temp is 53C after some minutes in prime95. What can I do to get it past this barrier? Please help!
have you checked vcore change is working firstly? (confirmed with DMM or bios if you don't have one?)Quote:
Originally Posted by caligula
secondly, have you tried loosening ram timings?
thirdly, upped ram voltage? (i take it you mean something else when you say VDD @ 1.6v)
fourthly, the temp sensor is wrong, minus about 7-10'C from the mobo's reading.
if nothing helps, then your chip has one of the famous walls that dothans decide to hit :(
for me it seems PCI lock does not work on this mobo, I have the same mobo and I have problems around the same frequency (FSB I mean). and PCI and PCI-E are NOT locked, auto, 100 or whatever. so you up your FSb, you up your PCi and pci-e and you get a frozen image :)
I have mine at 182FSB ATM becaue it gets me like 45MHz PCI and 120MHz pci-e - higher I ger reboots, eventhough chips and mem are OK for up to 238Mhz :)
Whoa, I seem to find a solution. Just lowered insanely the resistance of the trimmer and now I can prime at 2.7GHz, 1.55V. Temperature with 7700AlCu is pretty high, close to 60 in full load :( I ran also superpi at 2.8 but it gets hot like hell and it is unstable. Isn't vdd = vchipset? Also, what fsb termination voltage does? My memory runs upto 285 5-3-3-3 on 2.6V (TCCD) so the timings were pretty loose (8-4-4-3 for any instance). As I increase the fsb, it cracks out at 225 (!?!). Bad, bad, mobo.
lawrywild, I've followed the indications you did in your thread, flashed to 0205 but no difference, I could change vcore with latest bios, so no vcore problem. What I really find funny is that this chip does not even boot or load windows if I increase or decrease the voltage with 0.025V. Pretty tight :) 10x guys.
Later edit: I got this (see below) after flashing with p4gd1 bios (but I think it is not the case) and increasing vcore to 1.58V in BIOS. Definitely the 7700AlCu is not enough. Will the temperature be lower if I switch to Sonic Tower? Did someone test this on dothan ? Or what other cooling solution on air will be the best?
Try removing any shim or unproperly attached ihs from the cpu. It could be what's causing that high temps your getting with your zalman. Just be gentle with the chip though while remounting the cooler. Don't get all too agressive to it. If you get a good mount, you should get a good mid 40C's while running your chip at 2.8Ghz.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by caligula
Did you set adapters jumper to 133Fsb? Temps close to 60°C [onDie Cpu diode reading!] is quite normal full load, since your Cpu so overvolted & OC-ed has real around 50W dissipation ... That cooler should be enough; a problem is elsewhere IMHO ... :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by caligula
Umm... two different oppinions :( So, are the temperatures good or bad ?:(
Your mb could be reading temps too high....But try reseating your hs for better contact to the cpu. I used to get mid 50C's before I had a shim. Removed it and now I get 34C idle and 44C load.:D and that is at 2.8Ghz 1.56V but before it was maxing out at 55C load - 60C and idles at 38C. Even at 2.9Ghz with 1.68V my max load would not reach 50C max and this is with a hyper6 and 2 80mm tornado running on low. If you had any experiences with a prescott you will know damn sure what to expect from 60W chip and with same cooler. 2.8A@4.2Ghz 1.56V max load was 55C and that is over 130W+++ of power.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by caligula
OK after getting my system up and running, I played with the 730 a bit
priming now as we speak @2760mhz :)
I am very pleased with it so far, and that with stock cooler mind you... :)
The temps seems normal for this board..at that VCore..Quote:
Originally Posted by caligula
Both P4GD1 and P4GPL-X reports *way too high* temperatures for Dothan chips..
I have used the same chip..(730M and 740M) with the same cooler (Zalman CPS7000Alcu) in both P4P800-SE, P4P800-E Dlx.. and P4GPL-X.
At the same VCore.. the P4GPL-X reports (at least) 10 degrees higher load temps.
Accept it... :)
Hi there. I have three questions:
1. I've read a bit here and there about that there's people who own a Dothan Engineering Sample and that this would particularly be an interesting Dothan to use and overclock. But what I don't get is: what do these Engineering Samples have that the regular Dothans don't have? The regular ones have Speed Stepping, allowing their multiplier to be adjusted, right? So the interesting thing about the Engineering Samples can't be that they have their multipliers unlocked, it seems to me. Or do they have them FULLY unlocked, as in that they allow being set at higher multipliers than the regular Dothans allow?
2. If I get it right, the i915 chipsets don't have a decent PCI-E lock. Isn't it possible to bypass these problems by using a turbo-pll, just like back in the RDRAM ages?
3. If it isn't possible to get the PCI-E fixed, would it then really be such an ugly thing to use a PCI videocard when having the mobo set at high FSB's? I am not a gamer anyway, so would a PCI videocard really be that crappy?
Very much thank you in the advance for your answers and I wish you success with your own projects.
1. ES are just the same as any other ones, I'm pretty certain anyway.
2. they have a pci-e lock and it does work..
Super! Thank you very much!!! Because then I know now that in case if I decide to go Dothan eventually, I probably better don't buy the Dothan 750 ES that I found somewhere(?) And also that I might be able to run my OCZ EL DDR PC-4800 Platinum Elite Edition at 300(+)FSB at a CPU:RAM setting of 1:1 together with my 3.46GHz Prescott Pentium 4 ES (which has the multiplier unlocked by the way). However, despite that I already have the brand new P4GD1 and CT-479 still laying in their packagings waiting to be used, these high FSB/CPU/RAM speeds that I might be able to achieve with my Pentium 4 ES and OCZ sticks now make me wonder if I'm still so much interested into going Dothan though. Hummm... Anyway, the only thing I need to do now, is buy a PCI-E videocard and I can start assembling the system. :) And then as soon as I have the rig running, I can always to decide and switch over to Dothan afterall of course. Thanks very much, lawrywild!
Ok, now I'm doubting again; according to Kiwi the i915P does NOT have a decent working PCI-E lock. And this is what I have read about before but was not 100% certain about yet. Please take a look at: http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...34#post1312434 I think I tend to believe now, that my P4GD1 / i915P does not have the PCI-E lock working at the 300MHz FSB that I want.
IT DOES HAVE A LOCK AND A WORKING ONE TOO
setting the pci-e freq has nothing to do with a lock, whatever you set it to in bios will stay locked at that freq.
yes you do need a very high pci-e freq to reach 300fsb but that doesn't mean theres no lock
well....Quote:
Originally Posted by lawrywild
I have two board P4GPL-X and one that has Vcore option in BIOS, yjough both have the same bios.... so it goes at 182FSB and 136PCI-E and 45.6PCI, so it does not have any lock. I was able to post at 200FSB, but no luck further because of CPU.
when you set in BIOS whatever values to PCI-E and PCI, woiuld it be AUTO OR WHATEVER FREQUENCY.... well it just does not lock there, it stayas the same as before depending from FSB.... so it is really annoying.
both systems I have they have x850xt and one has no problem, but the other one does not like to boot into windows with 100Hz refresh rate. maybe it is the card, but maybe it is PCI-E bus.....
show me your pics that it locked and the way to do it.....
erm yes it does... :slap:Quote:
Originally Posted by bcn
try using the new clockgen with ICS 954123
then you'll see that it is locked
well, yes, the new one shows it is locked.... then how would you explain that i had my 1gbit adapter just not to show in windows for some time??? I thought it was PCI....
the gigabit adapter runs through pci-e I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by bcn
if you set above about 120 pci-e in bios without any vmod then it wouldn't work.
if it is pci, then you must set 33mhz in the bios rather than To CPU
if neither of them do anything then it's either already installed or its faulty
Hi all, I just want to share a thing happened to my 740+CT479+P4P800E/DLX combo 2 days ago. I had this mobo for 6months and was rock stable with my 2.0A@3. Two days ago I bought a 740 and the ct, it worked great for a while with nice clocks (around 2.70-2.80 stable).
I was searching for the sweet spot and the highest stable frequency to reach a safe point around -100MHz below the maximum (for a safe daily use). Safe.. well. I was playing with EIST and clockgen clocking up and down when suddenly CG stopped working saying something about not finding the PLL anymore. The system was still fine, but after the reboot... Died. Cleared the CMOS, changed CPU, PSU, GPU, XPU, YPU and ZPU, switched everything. Died.
Fried PLL? I don't know. I have a P4P800-SE coming in a couple of days and a P4P800E returning from Taiwan sometime this year -.- .
End of the sad story. :confused:
How does this memory do with dothan?
GLX1GB3200DC
The mem works fine :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Razor_Sniper
But why is this time so slow?
http://img107.imageshack.us/my.php?image=memmm1xk.jpg
http://img107.imageshack.us/my.php?image=memmm1xk.jpg
http://images.people.overclockers.ru/preview/62146.jpghttp://images.people.overclockers.ru/preview/62147.jpg
http://images.people.overclockers.ru/preview/62148.jpghttp://images.people.overclockers.ru/preview/62149.jpg
http://images.people.overclockers.ru/preview/62150.jpghttp://images.people.overclockers.ru/preview/62143.jpg
http://images.people.overclockers.ru/62117.gif
2.8 under phase change ?
is there a probleme somewhere ? , a good 740 can do it with air
i think you have a problem :)
so here is the first boot with my 780 es (first boot under cascade with IHS @polish p2000)
not the best sure :D
http://112233445566.free.fr/PM780/21.609%20PM780.jpg
http://112233445566.free.fr/PM780/3.7.jpg
p4gd1 @ vcore, vdimm, vchipmod
CT-479 @ full modded
skirms_fr,
Yeah, I'll do all Vmods thats avaible for my MoBo in a few hours.
I must go to the shop to buy capacistors for ct-479 mod.
But all shops are closed in the night :(
Update will be soon...
with my pm740 under a phase change i can bench to 3.3 spi 1mo
pcie @ 130 and around 1.8 1.85 vcore boot at 201 x 13 pat on , on p4gd1
I've some troubles. My system wouldn't OC by ClockGen.
BSOD... :(
I can OC my system only from BIOS. :(
MoBo P4P800 Gold Bios v.1021beta
Can you give us more details on your cpu model & bios setup (multi, fsb, vcore...)
PM 740 SL7SA
BIOS 1021beta
CT-479 @ 100Mhz
In bios 200 FSB
RAM 166
Multi 13x ,locked
Vcore 1.6
Vchip 1.8
Vmem 3.3 rail mod
Is your system fully stable at 2600Mhz when setting your parameters in bios?
if not it might be the max limit of your cpu (my 730@2600= reboot)
By the way: your vcore @1.6 =vmod or vcore adjust in bios?
2.8 under phase change , if its the limit , this cpu sucks :X
sell it and take an other :)
1.6 in BIOS
I've made a VCCA mod & i can boot ~3Ghz CPU is stable on 2950
But, i have'nt Vdroop mod.
PS
May be i need Vcore mod?
hey guys as you can see in my sig i have a 1.73 which haven't been taken to the edge,
do you have any recommendations that will be good to run stable at?
idle 24c load 40+c depending on house temp
thanks
what mem divider you have set?Quote:
Originally Posted by xooler