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So your saying it would have ZERO effect in a game using a USB KB/Mouse ? If it were just a tiny bit slower than the others I'd buy into that, but almost half the speed :rolleyes: I'll pass you guys knock yourselves out :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Fairydust
it won't have any effect on a USB mouse or keyboard. People still use ps/2 kb and mice, and they are sufficient. They really don't need any significant speed.
Agreed :)Quote:
Originally Posted by don_vercetti
To base a buying decision on how fast a USB port is for use with K/B and rat is just ridiculous, the port could be running at 1/4 speed and still not make the slightest diff :rolleyes:
Hi Bigtoe,
you have halibut their were can i find out about that boared or can you post lots'a info . Did a search got nowt on here :( (just nead more reading )
Guys if the Techreport review IS correct, it not only the USB that has problems on grouper. The Gigabit network controller looks mighty bad too.... couple that with at this point no better overclocking than an Ultra D, I am not impressed. Hopefully better reviews are around the corner.
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Originally Posted by dnavarro
Yes but 40 odd percent (according to poll) have major problem with the Ultra D. I just wont a Motherboard I can switch off/on.
Still there some on here think this is cause I/we are noobs :stick:
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Originally Posted by dnavarro
If it is a whole lot more stable and user friendly than the DFI, then things like Gigabit controllers and USB stuff like that can be easily remedied. As long as it doesnt kill hardware or self destruct then thats more than most overclockers will ask for. Besides how much does it cost to get a decent network card? 15 bucks?
I guess your experience with the DFI has been different than mine. I have had mine since release with high overclocks and no problems. With regards to grouper,I would expect when paying 160+ dollars for a board a simple thing like ethernet and USB would be things that work out of the box. Sure you can add a USB card and ethernet, doesn't mean you should have to. Especially at those alleged prices. Also, I still haven't heard any results showing it OC's better than the DFI, which is what I really was hoping for.
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i'm with you dnavarro, i only just got my DFI, but it's worked flawlessly so far. Taken my bh-5 up to 250 @ 3.1v, no trouble, been really stable, and just been an excellent board. A lot better (easier to use) than my old nf7-s ever was. Why pay more (and then have to pay another £20 for decent USB and ethernet) when you can get a DFI for £40 less?
And before you say "cos it's stable" why not wait until it's got out to the public, not cherry picked versions ATI/Sapphire have given to a select few.
I am jsut saying IF...
Don't get me wrong, I would love to have ATI succeed here. NVIDIA has had the enthusiast mobo market for a while now. So far early reviews just haven't wow'ed me. And things being so late have not helped things....
Um..september was always planned...I've been saying this since march.
if the usb port and gigabit net aint working at it's full, thats probably what they are working on right now, along with a few other things im sure
I'm stickin w/ what I got.
(Pats trusty DFI boards affectionately.)
My Ultra-D is a newegg refurb and has run @ 10x300 'okay' (32m Spi) w/ the 3700, now runs just fine w/ 4200 @ 10x260 + 2GB ballistix (will go for 2650 in 2 weeks). My wife's runs @ 9x300 w/ GBLA. D2oling away :D
Once that new revision of the DFI hits with the new voltage setup, ill have no need for the halibut version. I cant believe the asking price for this board however. Whats the actual difference between this and halibut? Just the Crossfire chipset?
I beg to differ on this slightly.Quote:
Originally Posted by situman
I must admit, I was (at one point) very keen on the Sapphire motherboard, but between the constant delays and less-than-stellar peripheral support, these (p)reviews leave something left to be desired. While it does appear that the the board is definitely for the enthusiast; the bios options indeed rival those of DFI and it's perhaps one of the best looking boards that I have seen.
Unfortunately, it does appear that the Sapphire board is plagued by a rather immature Southbridge; simply put, USB, ethernet, and SATA 2 speeds are all of subpar performance compared to the NF3/NF4 chipsets. Nonetheless, it is also true that we have yet to truly see a retail sample of the board, so I think it's important to save final judgements for the real thing.
In a nutshell, I think the Sapphire is most important in because many believe that they will be able to run their low latency memory (or TCCD I suppose) without some of the problems commonly associated with the DFI motherboards; however, the "newer" revision of the NF4 could also alleviate some of these same issues, too.
Personally, I would not mind trying my hand at the Grouper board, but (a) I think it still has several issues that need to be addressed and (b) like some I have begun to lose patience with ATI's capability to launch products within a reasonable amount of time.
deception``
I'm gonna wait for the SB600, meanwhile I'm gettin a cheap AsRock ULI board and keep on runnin my 256Mb 9800XT - must admit I'm pretty p*ssed wi what I've seen so far a know these are previews but no DDL on a board thats suposed to 'have it all' is just stupid
hmmmm.....didn't know that a bunch of XTREMEoverclockers would let a little thing like slow gigabit ethernet and USB affect their decisions. Besides, I started the sentence with an IF for a reason. we will wait for final judgement when and If the board does come out. I don't think I've seen a single benchmark on this forum comparing disk speed, usb keyboard speed and how fast you can go on the internet. personally, as long as my kb and mouse works flawlessly I could care less. I just need to know I can over and not worry about major issues that people have been reporting. Until its release no one would know what kind of quirks the boards have.Quote:
Originally Posted by deception``
While xtreme overclocking is much of my love for PC's, I use my PC for more than just benching. And unfortunately these are things that require ethernet and USB from time to time....
Well said. Yes, many of us do enjoy benching and overclocking, but there is much more than that to a PC. If benching alone were the only concern, why would so many complain about stability (or the lack thereof)? This simple example alone shows that, while top clocks and scores are important, other things are at stake when choosing the right motherboard.Quote:
Originally Posted by dnavarro
The thought process is simple, really: For an estimated price point of $180 USD, people are expecting a damn fine board, and with good reason. Yes, I would like a motherboard that overclocks well, but I also want one that is relatively well-rounded, too. It is in my PERSONAL opinion that ATI's current SouthBridge is lacking and needs to be fixed/replaced before this board is released as a final retail. I, like many others, think that this motherboard has a lot of great POTENTIAL, but some key issues are going to prevent this board from being all it can be.
deception``
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Originally Posted by cadaveca
if you read anantech's previews they were told by sapphire that the board would ship the 5th and be available by the 15th or so. (of august)
I totally agree with you. I was planning on upgrading whenever this board came out, but am a little dissapointed in the aspects of this board unrelated to overclocking. I'm starting to consider waiting for the next socket as there isn't a motherboard out at the moment I am completely satisfied with and not afraid of it's destructive nature. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by deception``
Before you go off into a rampage and start blaming the Southbridge for everything, you need to understand a few things. The reference design doesn't suffer from poor LAN performance, nor poor SATA performance. It also overclocks easily over 280 MHz. A proper implementation and correct testing procedures will achieve the performance levels as reported by Anandtech. There was obviously something wrong with the TechReport review. Either it was the user who wasn't setting the board up correctly, or some other problem with the motherboard.
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Originally Posted by deception``
Yes but even in the anandtech review we could still see the problems with USB and ethernet
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=2481&p=14
and presumably the tech report is on a later build (since it was sent out about 20 days later) and if they haven't got round to fixing it yet, something must be up.
And i have to admit, had this been released earlier, i would have got it, regardless of USB performance. I waited until the 15th to order my dfi, since i was just getting too impatient. The delays + the problems really have added up.
There is nothing wrong with the ethernet, the only issue is USB thruput speed, burst is fine.
If you are talking about CPU usage with the ethernet i have boards here that use even more than that, the issue is we never max connections out so the cpu usage is never that high.