The Fermi Thread - Part 3

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03-19-2010, 11:45 AM
***Deimos***

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Originally Posted by Sentential

Very very very VERY dissapointing. If it really has 480 shaders then my interest in buying these cards just took a serious nose dive. 3 spins and they cant even get all the shaders to work? Why in the world would I drop $500 for a broken card, the 470 looks better and better now especially if it holds to its $350 price tag.

WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL?

512 vs 480. That's **only** 6% worth.

End of the World because nvidia ships a card with less than all shaders?
Broken card? Give me a break. 8800GT was **only** 112 out of 128 shaders, and one of best selling cards.
03-19-2010, 12:03 PM
Sentential

Quote:

Originally Posted by ***Deimos***

WHAT IS THE BIG DEAL?

512 vs 480. That's **only** 6% worth.

End of the World because nvidia ships a card with less than all shaders?
Broken card? Give me a break. 8800GT was **only** 112 out of 128 shaders, and one of best selling cards.

The point is this; after all this time THIS is the best they can do? Really? Really? A half assed card that has to be harvested because the yields still blow after 3 respins. You gotta be kidding me; even the RV520 and R600 weren't this bad, neither was the NV30 for that matter; at least they could be binned for a full part!

Also ffs about the 8800GT; Ok Fine its 112 shaders and was harvested down from 128; fair enough. That said it was also single slot and didn't :banana::banana::banana::banana: out wattage like fat-bastard on a burrito binge as Fermi appears to do. If a 480 part is the best that nvidia can do then god help them when Hecatoncheres comes out this summer.
03-19-2010, 12:10 PM
SKYMTL

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Originally Posted by ElSel10

Nope, on GF100 the ROPs are independent from the memory bus, there was a very in depth article on just this, I don't remember where it was though. Perhaps somebody can link to it?

I am hoping you are referring to the article I think you are....because it clearly states ROPs, L2 and memory controllers need to be scaled together. ;)
03-19-2010, 12:24 PM
DosDuoNo

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Originally Posted by HelixPC

the saying "epic fail" is getting annoying already, next time i see epic fail im going to break my keyboard on my face LOLLLL..........

this comment has all the qualitys of an 'Epic Fail' if you ask me, but you didnt ask me ;)
03-19-2010, 12:24 PM
annihilat0r

DH: Nvidia massively sells Fermi GPUs to China

http://translate.google.com/translat...tm&sl=tr&tl=en

According to this, Nvidia might have already sold huge numbers of Fermi GPUs as Tesla cards to the Chinese government. Which means a probability of very low availability of GeForce cards.
03-19-2010, 12:27 PM
Sadasius

Quote:

Originally Posted by HelixPC

the saying "epic fail" is getting annoying already, next time i see epic fail im going to break my keyboard on my face LOLLLL.........

Epic fail.....epic fail......EPIC FAIL!!!! Can we get that on youtube?!? Oh and does that count as 3 keyboards?:rofl:
03-19-2010, 12:30 PM
Sadasius

According to that it is an excuse not to have many cards at launch!
03-19-2010, 12:30 PM
saaya

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sentential

The point is this; after all this time THIS is the best they can do? Really? Really? A half assed card that has to be harvested because the yields still blow after 3 respins. You gotta be kidding me; even the RV520 and R600 weren't this bad, neither was the NV30 for that matter; at least they could be binned for a full part!

Also ffs about the 8800GT; Ok Fine its 112 shaders and was harvested down from 128; fair enough. That said it was also single slot and didn't :banana::banana::banana::banana: out wattage like fat-bastard on a burrito binge as Fermi appears to do. If a 480 part is the best that nvidia can do then god help them when Hecatoncheres comes out this summer.

i dont think you really care about the shaders... ;)
think about it, if a gtx480 would be as fast or faster than a 5970, would you be complaining about parts of the gpu being broken or disabled? i dont think so... people will complain about disabled shader cores, slow memory clocks, high tdps... but what they are really miffed about is the performance which is lower than expected... cause its lower than what nvidia claimed and made everybody expect...
03-19-2010, 12:32 PM
saaya

breaking news! ati MIGHT have sold even higher numbers of rv870 gpus to the chinese government!

source
03-19-2010, 12:36 PM
Lokinhow

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chickenfeed

Yes fair enough considering shader power alone isn't all that matters. Based on those numbers though if I am not mistaken this is where we stand. These numbers only say so much about performance / potential so this is strictly for interests sake.

HD 5870 (850core/1200GDDR5)

Pixel Fillrate : 27.2 GPixel/s (850*32)

Texture Fillrate : 68.0 GTexel/s (850*80)

Memory Bandwidth : 153.6 GB/s ((1200*4*256)/8)

GTX 480 (700core/924GDDR5)

Pixel Fillrate : 33.6 GPixel/s (700*48)

Texture Fillrate : 42.0 GTexel/s (700*60)

Memory Bandwidth : 177.4 GB/s ((924*4*384)/8)

Again doesn't say a whole lot but interesting none the less.

@s1nykuL

Thanks for that. Further supports the possibility of a 480Ultra down the road.

If I'm not mistaken, Fermi's TMUs runs at the shader clock not at the core clock.
03-19-2010, 12:38 PM
Chruschef

This actually makes a lot of sense to me, GPUs are capable of hacking much faster than CPUs because of the mathematical nature of GPUs . . . and the Chinese govt. is allegedly quite fond of hacking things.
03-19-2010, 12:42 PM
-Sweeper_

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lokinhow

If I'm not mistaken, Fermi's TMUs runs at the shader clock not at the core clock.

TMUs run at half the shader clock
03-19-2010, 12:44 PM
Sentential

Quote:

Originally Posted by saaya

i dont think you really care about the shaders... ;)
think about it, if a gtx480 would be as fast or faster than a 5970, would you be complaining about parts of the gpu being broken or disabled? i dont think so... people will complain about disabled shader cores, slow memory clocks, high tdps... but what they are really miffed about is the performance which is lower than expected... cause its lower than what nvidia claimed and made everybody expect...

Valid and agreed but its more towards me wanting the ability to purchase a full shader part reguardless of what that shader count may be. I do not like paying full price for a broken card.
03-19-2010, 12:58 PM
highoctane

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sentential

Valid and agreed but its more towards me wanting the ability to purchase a full shader part reguardless of what that shader count may be. I do not like paying full price for a broken card.

Yet you will buy a shader disabled 260 and complain about wanting to buy a full shader 480, geez the irony...
03-19-2010, 01:21 PM
M.Beier

hahahahahha.... Oh boy I love them Fermi stories
03-19-2010, 01:36 PM
Sadasius

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sentential

Valid and agreed but its more towards me wanting the ability to purchase a full shader part reguardless of what that shader count may be. I do not like paying full price for a broken card.

Good luck in getting anything without at least one transistor dinked on it. That's why some things are tested and cherry picked for certain applications. The things with the least dings gets the most dollars. Nvidia made a really big chip. It is damn impossible under the current tech to not have dinked transistors.
03-19-2010, 01:37 PM
Zoran

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sentential

Valid and agreed but its more towards me wanting the ability to purchase a full shader part reguardless of what that shader count may be. I do not like paying full price for a broken card.

Well, then pay 2.5k+ for the tesla and you get the full part for the full price I think... Plus, as a bonus, you get 3GB of VRAM :rofl:
03-19-2010, 01:38 PM
Helmore

Breaking news, Fermi has been spotted while eating a sandwich. It's not known what was on the sandwich, but Da Fermi seemed to like it.

Source
03-19-2010, 01:41 PM
Sadasius

Quote:

Originally Posted by Helmore

Breaking news, Fermi has been spotted while eating a sandwich. It's not known what was on the sandwich, but Da Fermi seemed to like it.

Source

Holy crap I did not think I could laugh so hard that chips would come out my nose! :rofl:
03-19-2010, 01:44 PM
eric66

leave my fermi alone leave him aloneeeeeeee he is gone to China and he likes it there :rofl:
03-19-2010, 01:47 PM
yngndrw

Quote:

Originally Posted by Helmore

Breaking news, Fermi has been spotted while eating a sandwich. It's not known what was on the sandwich, but Da Fermi seemed to like it.

Source

This image from that link just made my day:
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__...silly-eyes.gif
03-19-2010, 01:51 PM
FlawleZ

Great. The Chinese government getting more number crunching horsepower. That's always comforting.
03-19-2010, 01:55 PM
Chickenfeed

Quote:

Originally Posted by -Sweeper_

TMUs run at half the shader clock

Which was mentioned as being 1400 as well so doesn't change a thing :up:
03-19-2010, 02:11 PM
DosDuoNo

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlawleZ

Great. The Chinese government getting more number crunching horsepower. That's always comforting.

Not one person can see the innocent side here, from what i can see, Crysis Wars servers are full of NK and Chinamen.

Welcome to MESA my communist friends :yepp:
03-19-2010, 02:17 PM
Pontos

Quote:

Originally Posted by DosDuoNo

Not one person can see the innocent side here, from what i can see, Crysis Wars servers are full of NK and Chinamen.

Welcome to MESA my communist friends :yepp:

North Korea? Do they have freely available internet even? That country is more dictatorial than China regarding information and citizens overseeing.

I honestly doubt NK people could play on a game's server hosted in Europe or the US...
South Korea is another thing completely thought, so maybe you saw people from there instead.

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