Retail Abit IN9 32X-MAX - Pictures, observations and testing...

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02-14-2007, 02:37 AM
Johnny Bravo

I'll ask the folk above me to see if it can go out into the wild or not. Please don't PM me asking for it on the fly, either everyone gets it or not one does :D
02-14-2007, 02:38 AM
linflas

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Bravo

Guys beta5 wasn't supposed to make it out into the wild for a very simple reason, it was an immature BIOS.

I feel I have to point out a very important fact here, NONE of these beta BIOSes are for the public. None. That means when something goes wrong you don't get warranty because you're not supposed to have them. If your happy to risk it then go ahead and take your chances but for those would download, flash and then seem to be unimpressed, why are you surprised? It's a beta for a reason, because we're still trying to find all the bugs. Abit don't knock out about 12 different BIOSes in the space of a year for a board they take there time and try to get it right. So for those of you who would rather not risk it hold on and the PUBLIC release will be along shortly. In the mean time Beta6 is now out and does indeed have working upwards multipliers for the extreme editions cpus.

Well said sir,

Glad 6 actually fixes the multi issue for the xtreme edition folks, I am having some great results with this board, got this orthos stable http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=167768 however i cannot use it as my 24/7 because during a 6 hour orthos run I was hitting 110-120C on the pwm's specifically #3, I am sure I am suffering from the "warp" in the board from my water block on the cpu.

Hopefully there will be some form of aftermarket heatsink/fan combo for this board, as I would buy it right away, currently using a cut piece of a copper heatsink from an old thermaltake volcano, and an 80mm fan on the pwm's. Seems to work a bit better than the aluminum one, but still would like to be under 100C for long term load for me to call it a stable 24/7.
02-14-2007, 02:55 AM
Johnny Bravo

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Originally Posted by linflas

...however i cannot use it as my 24/7 because during a 6 hour orthos run I was hitting 110-120C on the pwm's specifically #3, I am sure I am suffering from the "warp" in the board from my water block on the cpu.

Yes I'm thinking this too, in the beginning I was using the Intel stock cooler and always wondered why PWM 3 & 4 were hotter than the rest, a problem that only got worst with the attachment of my apogee. Once the whole warping topic came up it made perfect sense! The problem is, if you use thermal paste instead of the pad this problem will only just be worse for you :(

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Hopefully there will be some form of aftermarket heatsink/fan combo for this board, as I would buy it right away, currently using a cut piece of a copper heatsink from an old thermaltake volcano, and an 80mm fan on the pwm's. Seems to work a bit better than the aluminum one, but still would like to be under 100C for long term load for me to call it a stable 24/7.

Afaik MIPS have some water coolings bits for it already, check earlier on, I'm sure someone put up some pics.
The cut up heatsink idea :D EXACTLY what I did, £5 off eBay solid copper 478 cooler, sliced off an end section and milled it a bit. Should have the photos up very soon, just waiting for Mk II to return from the workshop! I've actually bought some thermal pads for it rather than use a paste due to the warping issue. Alternatively you could try using a backing plate to "straighten out" the board.
02-14-2007, 03:03 AM
linflas

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Originally Posted by Johnny Bravo

The cut up heatsink idea :D EXACTLY what I did, £5 off eBay solid copper 478 cooler, sliced off an end section and milled it a bit. Should have the photos up very soon, just waiting for Mk II to return from the workshop! I've actually bought some thermal pads for it rather than use a paste due to the warping issue.

MILLING? sissy, I broke out the hacksaw and the dremel, lol!

It is currently not attached, as my mobo is laying flat in my case, so laying on top, nothing holding it but the weight of the copper, and still using the balled up bubble gum thermal goo.

As I work on the design a bit I will add attaching holes, and will think about some sort of plate in the back, maybe one of the ATI mounting arms from my swiftech gpu blocks? Dunno, will definitely look into that when I get a bit more time.

Link to the thermal pads would be appreciated, also have you used them before? How is the thermal transfer through them?
02-14-2007, 03:09 AM
OKsoVRomoSkylo

Quote:

Hopefully there will be some form of aftermarket heatsink/fan combo for this board, as I would buy it right away, currently using a cut piece of a copper heatsink from an old thermaltake volcano, and an 80mm fan on the pwm's. Seems to work a bit better than the aluminum one, but still would like to be under 100C for long term load for me to call it a stable 24/7.

I'm sure that Abit will market their copper pwm sink used on their new 650i board, and admit that in9's solution was badly designed-implemented.Ideally they should change the thermal solution on the new boards in production, and not void the warranty for expertly thermal-solution modded boards.
Think that's fair enough.

I also feel that beta 06 should come out, since its the first beta release with working multis, just to give the guys with extreme cpus an extreme board worth of Abits name.

I'm not a kid, and don't think this beta here beta there situation is fun.I've got customers waiting and not much time to spare on silly issues like these.
02-14-2007, 03:26 AM
linflas

This is the block I cut mine from

http://members.cox.net/linflas/Pictu...inal-block.gif

This is how it sits for now, except there is an 80mm fan over the top of it normally.

http://members.cox.net/linflas/Pictu...m-cooling2.gif
02-14-2007, 03:27 AM
hipro5

Pll with QUADS OR high VCore/overclocking, put heatsinks onto the serial VCore output coil....It's geting worm under the above config...;)

EDIT: The wormer it gets the more Vdroop we have.....:)
02-14-2007, 03:31 AM
linflas

Thanks for the tip Hipro, will give it a go.
02-14-2007, 03:46 AM
OKsoVRomoSkylo

@linflas: be careful not to short the contacts on the pulse chip when mounting a sink on it.(cutting a slice off the same block in the other dimension will fit exactly!)
02-14-2007, 03:57 AM
linflas

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Originally Posted by OKsoVRomoSkylo

@linflas: be careful not to short the contacts on the pulse chip when mounting a sink on it.(cutting a slice off the same block in the other dimension will fit exactly!)

Yeah, I noticed that, have been good to go for a couple of days now, so I am allright, I am trying to figure out how to grind a larger portion of the block so that a thin strip touches the PWM's but I have a larger chunk of copper for the PWM's to bleed through.

@JohnnyBravo, picked up a packet of these http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/akshintherin.html will give them a try when I try out my next incarnation of my block.
02-14-2007, 04:16 AM
Chosen.

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Originally Posted by Johnny Bravo

It's a beta for a reason, because we're still trying to find all the bugs.

That's not an excuse and you know it. It's been 5-6 months since the previous MAX board was released (AW9D) and the major bugs are still present and untouched.
Now, half a year later, for a computer component and it stops being a response time issue; it looks more like Abit engineering team not having the knowledge/ability to deliver...
02-14-2007, 04:26 AM
Johnny Bravo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chosen.

That's not an excuse and you know it. It's been 5-6 months since the previous MAX board was released (AW9D) and the major bugs are still present and untouched.
Now, half a year later, for a computer component and it stops being a response time issue; it looks more like Abit engineering team not having the knowledge/ability to deliver...

What issues are these?
02-14-2007, 04:41 AM
Chosen.

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Originally Posted by Johnny Bravo

What issues are these?

I'll just copy/paste from the Abit-USA forum:

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a) Proper multiplier adjustment
b) PCIe frequency in the BIOS. Or at least make uGuru's option work, as changing it from 100 to 101 results in an instant reboot, filesystem corruption, CMOS reset and an obligatory Windows repair...
c) Ability to disable VT (Virtualization/Vanderpool Technology) and still save the changes
d) Proper, working thermal management (EIST etc.)
e) Fix for the Kentsfield+AW9D+Vista nightmare.

Check out this thread to get a taste of some fine engineering and response time from Abit's "reclaim"...
02-14-2007, 07:13 AM
hipro5

UPDATES.....:)

WHO wants HIGHER fsb on it's QUAD CPU?.....:D

With ASUS Striker I was at 365MHz MAX with this CPU - 356MHz benchable).....
With the ABIT IN9 I was at 368MHz MAX with this CPU - 362MHz benchable)

NOW........With only two sortcircuits with cables I got another 15 - 18MHz out of it....Benching at 380MHz...
With the VGTLRef Mods I'm up to 406MHz fsb with the same QUAD and 404MHz benchable.....:D

Keep in mind that I HAVEN'T done the VTT (VFSB) mod YET....:D

I hope to reach 415 - 420MHz by doing it too...Let's hope so.....:)

Booted STRAIGHT at 1616 (400MHz fsb) and in LInked mode 1:1 ...

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/A...2_404MHz_1.png

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/A...2_404MHz_2.png

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/A...2_404MHz_3.png

Booted STRAIGHT at 1600 (400MHz fsb) and UNLINKED ....Here I can run 3D....

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/A...3_400MHz_1.png

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/A...3_400MHz_2.png

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/A...3_400MHz_3.png

http://www.thelab.gr/images/Hipro5/A...400MHz_fsb.png

These were done with the BETA 6 Bios.....Keep in mind that it doesn't YET unlock the multies of a QUAD CPU.....Actually it unlocks only for CPU 1 and 2....CPU 3 and 4 are at x10 nomatter what.....

I'll be back with updates when I'll do the VTT (VFSB) mod too.....I hope to get another 10 - 15MHz fsb more.....I mean I wish too....:(

EDIT: Download the BETA 6 bios from here: HEAT ME HARD..... :D
02-14-2007, 07:30 AM
Johnny Bravo

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Originally Posted by hipro5

EDIT: Take here the BETA 6 bios.... HEAT ME HARD..... :D

Lol guess I got the wrong end of the stick wit hour conversation "lost in translation" :rolleyes:

Glad to see the GTLref mods are working - you buzz them out using the guide over at thetechrepository ?
02-14-2007, 07:32 AM
Johnny Bravo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chosen.

Check out this thread to get a taste of some fine engineering and response time from Abit's "reclaim"...

hmmm ok theres a few bugs t here that are still problems for a number of manufacturers. The Quad ready refers to the power side of things no the multiplier afaik, the rest...yeah you may have a point, tho I dunno theres alot of happy customers out there with this board :confused:
02-14-2007, 07:45 AM
Chosen.

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Originally Posted by hipro5

Keep in mind that it doesn't YET unlock the multies of a QUAD CPU.....Actually it unlocks only for CPU 1 and 2....CPU 3 and 4 are at x10 nomatter what.....

As much as I didn't want this to happen, ABIT has done exactly what I was afraid of...

Thanks ABIT, for another, more expensive disfunctional board.
02-14-2007, 07:48 AM
hipro5

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Bravo

Lol guess I got the wrong end of the stick wit hour conversation "lost in translation" :rolleyes:

Glad to see the GTLref mods are working - you buzz them out using the guide over at thetechrepository ?

a. No.....You lost the last posts of our friend in the "other" site...;) :D

b. Yes ALL EFFORT as for the VGTLRef is going to freecableguy....Though I did it in another way for handling higher currents....;) :toast:

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Originally Posted by Chosen.

As much as I didn't want this to happen, ABIT has done exactly what I was afraid of...

Thanks ABIT, for another, more expensive disfunctional board.

Keep in mind that I get the SAME CPU Score in 2k6 (+/-)bench as I get with the ASUS Striker mobo at 3850MHz and x11 multi.....I'll check Striker with Cpu-z V. 1.33 to see IF it fully unlocks the multies of all CPUs or not...:)
02-14-2007, 07:55 AM
Chosen.

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Originally Posted by hipro5

I'll check Striker with Cpu-z V. 1.33 to see IF it fully unlocks the multies of all CPUs or not...:)

Hint: CPUz 1.35 is newer and also reports each core individually.
02-14-2007, 08:30 AM
OKsoVRomoSkylo

Bravo re Giorgi!! Nice results!! i'm sure we're getting somewhere... Hope the abit team will come out with the multi sorted out soon. what vcore are you using?
02-14-2007, 08:57 AM
hipro5

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Originally Posted by OKsoVRomoSkylo

Bravo re Giorgi!! Nice results!! i'm sure we're getting somewhere... Hope the abit team will come out with the multi sorted out soon. what vcore are you using?

This QUAD benches 3D at 4GHz and needs about 1.53VCore (REAL) and 1.57VCore for 2k6 and CPU bench at 3900MHz...
02-14-2007, 09:31 AM
zbogorgon

and where is this VGTLRef mod ?
02-14-2007, 10:02 AM
hipro5

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Originally Posted by zbogorgon

and where is this VGTLRef mod ?

I haven't upload any mods of the mobo yet.....:)
02-14-2007, 10:41 AM
zbogorgon

well I am still waiting for my mobo
02-14-2007, 02:07 PM
shawn1998

Beta .06 is much improved. I can adjust the multiplier on my X6800 and it actually works! COOL!!!

Shawn

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