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06-12-2008, 10:21 AM
Helmore

Quote:

Originally Posted by 003

CPU doesn't have nearly as large of an effect on vantage as it did in 06 ... especially in the extreme preset. Wow, and a 4850X2 will be even faster due to the shared memory pool. Nvidia is about to get :owned:

No-one knows what the X2 will be like and a shared memory pool has not been confirmed by anything/anyone. So it remains to be seen what 48x0 X2 will be like.
06-12-2008, 10:33 AM
Helmore

ATI 770 marketing site goes live, inq article..

Here it is: http://www.radeon-graphics.net/

It confirms the 1 TeraFLOP and as the inquirer said: that "933 must sting" for NVIDIA. As the GTX280 is supposed to reach 933 GigaFLOPs.

P.S. Those guys from the inquirer are sometimes to stupid to be true, check this: "The smaller brother, aka low-yield, salvage part, the GTX260 is basically the same chips with 192 SPs and 896M GDDR3. If you are maths-impaired, let me point out that this equates to 24 ROPs."
It should be 28 ROPs for the GTX260 and they are talking about others being math-impaired :p:.
06-12-2008, 10:37 AM
AliG

the site's down already :(

And I pointed that out a long time ago (the maths impaired thing)
06-12-2008, 10:41 AM
LordEC911

Quote:

Originally Posted by clonez

looks great

lets see how tri-sli gtx280 fares against quadfire 4870x2 :yepp:

http://www.techpowerup.com/img/08-06...I_GTX280_m.png

Now if 4850 CFX scales nearly as well, 4x 4850 will barely miss 3way GTX280 performance, obviously in vantage, while costing about half the price of TriSLI.
06-12-2008, 10:44 AM
NH|Delph1

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoulsCollective

Andreas mate, can you give any kind of confirmation of this? IMHO NH is definitely up there on my list of reputable sources, but there's just too many other sources, with (apparent) benchmarks and/or screen grabs, showing that RV770 only has 480.

I really wish I could share the remaining slides, but I've been told not to. My source is worth too much to me to share these.

Maybe I can try and shed some light on things in another way. I guess that if my word isn't good enough, W1zzard's is. He said from an early point that there would be 160 shader clusters. RV670 has 64 shader cluster. Each RV670 shader cluster is 4+1 (5D). It makes little to no sense for AMD to change the cluster design to 2+1 (3D), which would then result in only 480 shaders. There has never been any talk about 96 clusters, other than speculations.

My Asian sources has claimed 800 SPs from the very start, but they are off a bit too often for me to believe them without doubt. Especially when western sources close to AMD report 480SPs. Later I find out that AMD has planted a number of rumors, including 480SPs to create a smoke curtain, and that it wanted to surprise both buyers and especially NVIDIA by launching a card with 800SPs.

GPU-Z is not proof of anything. It's just a database with information and if the database is outdated, the information displayed by the program will be wrong. Kudos to W1zzard for creating it though, it's a great tool. It's just not 100% reliable for cards that haven't been launched.

I've posted slides, Asian websites have posted different slides from AMD presentations that all show 800SPs, the only contradictory stories I see are the ones using GPU-Z as a source of information, which is just misleading.

EDIT:
Can anyone show me a slide with any information about the number of shaders beside the one I and the Asian sites have posted that say 800SPs?

//Andreas
06-12-2008, 10:57 AM
fng77

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG

now i am so glad i have an x38 board :D my 2 4870s are gonna rock :)

Me too, x38 Rules :up:
06-12-2008, 11:04 AM
Helmore

Quote:

Originally Posted by NH|Delph1

I really wish I could share the remaining slides, but I've been told not to. My source is worth too much to me to share these.

Maybe I can try and shed some light on things in another way. I guess that if my word isn't good enough, W1zzard's is. He said from an early point that there would be 160 shader clusters. RV670 has 64 shader cluster. Each RV670 shader cluster is 4+1 (5D). It makes little to no sense for AMD to change the cluster design to 2+1 (3D), which would then result in only 480 shaders. There has never been any talk about 96 clusters, other than speculations.

My Asian sources has claimed 800 SPs from the very start, but they are off a bit too often for me to believe them without doubt. Especially when western sources close to AMD report 480SPs. Later I find out that AMD has planted a number of rumors, including 480SPs to create a smoke curtain, and that it wanted to surprise both buyers and especially NVIDIA by launching a card with 800SPs.

GPU-Z is not proof of anything. It's just a database with information and if the database is outdated, the information displayed by the program will be wrong. Kudos to W1zzard for creating it though, it's a great tool. It's just not 100% reliable for cards that haven't been launched.

I've posted slides, Asian websites have posted different slides from AMD presentations that all show 800SPs, the only contradictory stories I see are the ones using GPU-Z as a source of information, which is just misleading.

EDIT:
Can anyone show me a slide with any information about the number of shaders beside the one I and the Asian sites have posted that say 800SPs?

//Andreas

Now all there is to know is the amount of TFUs/TMUs/TAUs....will it have 32 or 40 TMUs......
06-12-2008, 11:08 AM
AliG

@andreas
fcry64 posted this but no one commented, I guess people didn't like what they say

this shows it having 480 stream, but it could just be a mistake and there's no guarantee that's legit since there's no picture yet to confirm it (at least with the 2900xt I'm pretty sure they flaunted their "320" shaders)
http://www.amazon.com/Diamond-4850PE...253657&sr=1-59
06-12-2008, 11:09 AM
003

Quote:

Originally Posted by fng77

Me too, x38 Rules :up:

Yup, I got X48 for the same reason! Previously had P35 which would suck for crossfire.

P45 is great for CPU overclocking, but only dual X8 lanes for crossfire ... not good for dual 4870X2s.

There is of course X58, which would require a new CPU as well, and is not out yet, and also likely require new RAM.
06-12-2008, 11:12 AM
Eastcoasthandle

Quote:

Originally Posted by AliG

@andreas
fcry64 posted this but no one commented, I guess people didn't like what they say

this shows it having 480 stream, but it could just be a mistake and there's no guarantee that's legit since there's no picture yet to confirm it (at least with the 2900xt I'm pretty sure they flaunted their "320" shaders)
http://www.amazon.com/Diamond-4850PE...253657&sr=1-59

What's a RV7000 Series GPU??
06-12-2008, 11:26 AM
003

R700= 4870X2
RV770XT= 4870
RV770Pro= 4850

Come to think of it, I'm not sure what they will call the 4850X2...
06-12-2008, 11:29 AM
fcry64

Quote:

Originally Posted by AliG

@andreas
fcry64 posted this but no one commented, I guess people didn't like what they say

this shows it having 480 stream, but it could just be a mistake and there's no guarantee that's legit since there's no picture yet to confirm it (at least with the 2900xt I'm pretty sure they flaunted their "320" shaders)
http://www.amazon.com/Diamond-4850PE...253657&sr=1-59

thanks for posting it again m8

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eastcoasthandle

What's a RV7000 Series GPU??

and thanks for pointing that out :up: (this does mean the specs can be wrong there)

and now ...LETS hOPE:up: for 800sp
06-12-2008, 11:35 AM
fng77

Quote:

Originally Posted by 003

Yup, I got X48 for the same reason! Previously had P35 which would suck for crossfire.

P45 is great for CPU overclocking, but only dual X8 lanes for crossfire ... not good for dual 4870X2s.

There is of course X58, which would require a new CPU as well, and is not out yet, and also likely require new RAM.

I think the three of us gonna have a pretty fun time in front of us, crossfireing these babys :D :shocked:

And of course, The price is now rapidly starting to drop at the 3800 series, like that too. Always wanted to run Triple crossfire.
06-12-2008, 11:36 AM
informal

Quote:

Originally Posted by fcry64

thanks for posting it again m8

and thanks for pointing that out :up: (this does mean the specs can be wrong there)

and now ...LETS hOPE:up: for 800sp

I would trust Andreas over amazon or any online shop any time of the day :).
06-12-2008, 11:40 AM
ceevee

hmmm...

since I have x48 now maybe its time to go back to AMD and get dual 4870x2 instead of one 280gtx.

can anyone comment on how crossfire has evolved? My last crossfire rig was two x1900xt. There were problems with that setup that sometimes created glitches in certain games or no increase in performance.

Is crossfire working better now? Will it work in all games or only for benching?

Is it buggy? Do you still need one of those external dongle things to attch the cards together?
06-12-2008, 11:43 AM
mascaras

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hornet331

http://publish.it168.com/2008/0611/20080611033801.shtml

new benches

if those benchs are real then HD4870 Vs HD4850 :

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/5482/hd400vshu4.jpg

..
06-12-2008, 11:45 AM
003

X1900... isn't that when you needed a "master" CF card? No, you don't need that anymore, nor do you need an external dongle. The cards are connected by a ribbon cable on top of them, like SLI is. CF performance scaling has greatly increased, as has game support.
06-12-2008, 12:00 PM
zerazax

I don't know how that site benched the cards when it can't even get the default clocks for the 4850 correct
06-12-2008, 12:00 PM
fcry64

Quote:

Originally Posted by informal

I would trust Andreas over amazon or any online shop any time of the day :).

its 2% for the 800sp part:rolleyes:
06-12-2008, 12:12 PM
SNiiPE_DoGG

Quote:

Originally Posted by fng77

I think the three of us gonna have a pretty fun time in front of us, crossfireing these babys :D :shocked:

And of course, The price is now rapidly starting to drop at the 3800 series, like that too. Always wanted to run Triple crossfire.

my current 3870 will be occupying the 3rd pci-e on my board, thats for sure
06-12-2008, 12:18 PM
GAR

Im hoping for these cards to do well, i just got myself a P45 and wouldnt mind doing crossfire for once, since most games run fine on my 9800GTX and if the 4870 beats it, then i should have no problem running all games at good frame rates.
06-12-2008, 12:21 PM
Helmore

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG

my current 3870 will be occupying the 3rd pci-e on my board, thats for sure

For what reason? Need a better heating element (radiator) in your room? Better multi-monitor support? I have a feeling they won't be working along with any of these 48x0s in CFX....the performance difference between the 38x0 and 48x0 is just to big to do that.
06-12-2008, 12:32 PM
G0ldBr1ck

Quote:

Originally Posted by ceevee

hmmm...

since I have x48 now maybe its time to go back to AMD and get dual 4870x2 instead of one 280gtx.

can anyone comment on how crossfire has evolved? My last crossfire rig was two x1900xt. There were problems with that setup that sometimes created glitches in certain games or no increase in performance.

Is crossfire working better now? Will it work in all games or only for benching?

Is it buggy? Do you still need one of those external dongle things to attch the cards together?

I have 2 3way crossfire systems on 790fx chipset (hd3870's) and it does scale allot better then my old x1950xtx crossfire. No externel crap just the ribbon across cards. In 3Dmark06 I get around 14k with 2x 3870's and phenom and with the 3rd 3870 jumped to 16k.
06-12-2008, 12:40 PM
Metroid

I was waiting for this picture to make the initial post to look great.

http://dpweqa.blu.livefilestore.com/...5r1wU/4000.JPG

http://www.unleashonetera.com/

Enjoy,

Metroid.
06-12-2008, 12:41 PM
zerazax

Looks like PowerColor jumped the gun and sold the 4850 in Hong Kong:

http://my.ocworkbench.com/bbs/showthread.php?p=432522

15194 w/ QX9650 at 4GHz in 3dMark06 default

Not bad methinks
06-12-2008, 12:42 PM
y2kbos

Quote:

Originally Posted by GAR

Im hoping for these cards to do well, i just got myself a P45 and wouldnt mind doing crossfire for once, since most games run fine on my 9800GTX and if the 4870 beats it, then i should have no problem running all games at good frame rates.

What you gonna do with your GTX 280?

I have a 8800gts 512mb at the moment in my little matx beast, dont know what I am going to do, has to be single card...
06-12-2008, 12:43 PM
Xello

Quote:

Originally Posted by Helmore

For what reason? Need a better heating element (radiator) in your room? Better multi-monitor support? I have a feeling they won't be working along with any of these 48x0s in CFX....the performance difference between the 38x0 and 48x0 is just to big to do that.

Don't the cores have to be the same variant to do that? Similar limitation as SLI i thought, ie you can crossfire a 3850 and a 3870 but not a 2900 and a 3870. Are the 48XX's going to be the same core as 3000 series?
06-12-2008, 12:44 PM
y2kbos

Quote:

Originally Posted by zerazax

Looks like PowerColor jumped the gun and sold the 4850 in Hong Kong:

15194 w/ QX9650 at 4GHz in 3dMark06 default

Not bad methinks

You can post your benchmarks now ORB :rofl:
06-12-2008, 12:45 PM
Genius_pt

15k on 3dmark06 is not bad at all.

I would love to see how does hd4850 scales with some more mhz on memory and core :D.
06-12-2008, 12:46 PM
Luka_Aveiro

Quote:

Originally Posted by y2kbos

You can post your benchmarks now ORB :rofl:

If that's so, it's equivalent to an 8800GT.
06-12-2008, 12:49 PM
y2kbos

15194 w/ QX9650 at 4GHz, isnt bad..

E8400 @ 4.0ghz and 9800gtx gets the same..

http://www.pix.sparky-s.ie/images/sl...4i0z_thumb.jpg

I get 13.4k with 8800gts and E2180 @ 3.30ghz
06-12-2008, 01:01 PM
Chickenfeed

Quote:

Originally Posted by zerazax

Looks like PowerColor jumped the gun and sold the 4850 in Hong Kong:

http://my.ocworkbench.com/bbs/showthread.php?p=432522

15194 w/ QX9650 at 4GHz in 3dMark06 default

Not bad methinks

Decent but its the SM2/HDR scores that matter. The SM2 is about 1000 less than my 88GTX got with a Q6600 @ 3.6 but the HDR is about 900 higher so they've made some improvements there for sure.
06-12-2008, 01:07 PM
Papu

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xello

Don't the cores have to be the same variant to do that? Similar limitation as SLI i thought, ie you can crossfire a 3850 and a 3870 but not a 2900 and a 3870. Are the 48XX's going to be the same core as 3000 series?

them why can you have a 2900xt and 3870 in crossfire.
its either 2900 onwards on nothing i'd say
06-12-2008, 01:17 PM
bedlamite

Quote:

Originally Posted by Papu

them why can you have a 2900xt and 3870 in crossfire.

You can? Oo
06-12-2008, 01:21 PM
AliG

Quote:

Originally Posted by Papu

them why can you have a 2900xt and 3870 in crossfire.
its either 2900 onwards on nothing i'd say

Its because the 2900xt and 3870 are the same card, only real difference is the memory controller, other than that the 3870 is a die shrink with a few more features
06-12-2008, 01:23 PM
Papu

Quote:

Originally Posted by bedlamite

You can? Oo

review
yeah hopefully with new drivers its become better the WIC one is pretty impressive :D
06-12-2008, 01:25 PM
Papu

Quote:

Originally Posted by AliG

Its because the 2900xt and 3870 are the same card, only real difference is the memory controller, other than that the 3870 is a die shrink with a few more features

yeah but that was my point , either you can stick a 2900 or 3870 with a 4850 or you wont ;/
06-12-2008, 01:27 PM
ghost101

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chickenfeed

Decent but its the SM2/HDR scores that matter. The SM2 is about 1000 less than my 88GTX got with a Q6600 @ 3.6 but the HDR is about 900 higher so they've made some improvements there for sure.

If these posted earlier

http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/7209/it168sc0.th.jpg

are true, we may be unlikely to see improvements from the next gen cards in 3dmark06.
06-12-2008, 01:30 PM
perkam

Score with Stock Intel Quad = 13k. Nice, but not amazing.

This does set up the 4870 to get 15k stock though, and 17k with a 4Ghz Intel Quad. (Coming HERRENDOUSLY close to the GTX 280 mark 0_o)

Perkam
06-12-2008, 01:41 PM
y2kbos

Quote:

Originally Posted by perkam

Score with Stock Intel Quad = 13k. Nice, but not amazing.

This does set up the 4870 to get 15k stock though, and 17k with a 4Ghz Intel Quad. (Coming HERRENDOUSLY close to the GTX 280 mark 0_o)

Perkam

3D Mark benches are nice to get at this stage, but totally pointless in the scheme of things..

Crysis, WIC, COD4, COH 1920x1200, Very High Quality are the benches needed to tell ous what these cards can do..

We might get these in the next few days, looks good so far for Ati
06-12-2008, 01:42 PM
jimmyz

Card has arrived. Info will be in a thread tonight, So far I can say It is an excellent performer. I will be busy benching and posting results tonight. Stay tuned to XS for more information.

A little teaser 15k in 06 is easy (4600mhz yorkie). much more info coming.
06-12-2008, 01:44 PM
eleeter

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmyz

Card has arrived. Info will be in a thread tonight, So far I can say It is an excellent performer. I will be busy benching and posting results tonight. Stay tuned to XS for more information.

Sweet. :)

The 4850?
06-12-2008, 01:45 PM
y2kbos

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmyz

Card has arrived. Info will be in a thread tonight, So far I can say It is an excellent performer. I will be busy benching and posting results tonight. Stay tuned to XS for more information.

A little teaser 15k in 06 is easy (4600mhz yorkie). much more info coming.

How long we talking?

Your not going to lets ous hanging for half a day like OBR and then tell ous you feel bad for poor AMD?

Thanks for doing it...
06-12-2008, 01:50 PM
Dark-Energy

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmyz

Card has arrived. Info will be in a thread tonight, So far I can say It is an excellent performer. I will be busy benching and posting results tonight. Stay tuned to XS for more information.

A little teaser 15k in 06 is easy (4600mhz yorkie). much more info coming.

Hey dude, would you mind posting temperatures as well? I'd like to see idle temperatues and load temps, and see if this 70C at idle is true or not.
06-12-2008, 01:52 PM
Helmore

Quote:

Originally Posted by y2kbos

How long we talking?

Your not going to lets ous hanging for half a day like OBR and then tell ous you feel bad for poor AMD?

Thanks for doing it...

I was going to say the same thing :p:

Don't pull an OBR eh :p::cool::p::yepp::ROTF

EDIT: first quote shouldn't have been there...
06-12-2008, 01:53 PM
ceevee

Quote:

Originally Posted by zerazax

Looks like PowerColor jumped the gun and sold the 4850 in Hong Kong:

http://my.ocworkbench.com/bbs/showthread.php?p=432522

15194 w/ QX9650 at 4GHz in 3dMark06 default

Not bad methinks

I get 15000 with qx9770@3.8Ghz, 8800ultra right now, so not so good imo
06-12-2008, 01:56 PM
perkam

Quote:

Originally Posted by ceevee

I get 15000 with qx9770@3.8Ghz, 8800ultra right now, so not so good imo

4850 is a $220 card :)

4870 with 512MB GDDR5, which is expected to get 17k with a 4ghz Quad, is $329 :)

Perkam
06-12-2008, 01:56 PM
bill_d

full specs end the great SP debate:D
06-12-2008, 01:58 PM
natty

benching at 4600? :eek:
06-12-2008, 01:58 PM
ceevee

Quote:

Originally Posted by perkam

4850 is a $220 card :)

4870 with 512MB GDDR5, which is expected to get 17k with a 4ghz Quad, is $329 :)

Perkam

So hard to decide. Should I get dual 4870s in crossfire on my X48(and take a risk on crossfire compatibility and support)? Or just get the GTX280??

arrghhh...:shrug:
06-12-2008, 02:00 PM
perkam

Quote:

Originally Posted by ceevee

So hard to decide. Should I get dual 4870s in crossfire on my X48(and take a risk on crossfire compatibility and support)? Or just get the GTX280??

arrghhh...:shrug:

Both are awesome cards. Wait to see core OCs for both, seeing as the 4870 with 3600Mhz GDDR5 has already won the memory clock test.

Perkam
06-12-2008, 02:02 PM
Helmore

Quote:

Originally Posted by ceevee

So hard to decide. Should I get dual 4870s in crossfire on my X48(and take a risk on crossfire compatibility and support)? Or just get the GTX280??

arrghhh...:shrug:

You have about a month to decide, as the dust will have settled by then, cards will be in full availability and stable price by then.
06-12-2008, 02:02 PM
LowRun

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmyz

Card has arrived. Info will be in a thread tonight, So far I can say It is an excellent performer. I will be busy benching and posting results tonight. Stay tuned to XS for more information.

A little teaser 15k in 06 is easy (4600mhz yorkie). much more info coming.

Bloody crap! Just the post i shouldn't have read, i could i go to sleep now :mad:

Hurry up mate :D :up:
06-12-2008, 02:03 PM
Xello

So you can crossfire a 2900 with a 3870? I found this chart:

http://game.amd.com/us-en/content/im...hart_Dec07.jpg

I'm pretty tired and maybe i'm misunderstanding it, but it seems to indicate you can't :confused:
06-12-2008, 02:04 PM
perkam

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xello

So you can crossfire a 2900 with a 3870? I found this chart:

http://game.amd.com/us-en/content/im...hart_Dec07.jpg

I'm pretty tired and maybe i'm misunderstanding it, but it seems to indicate you can't :confused:

You can.

@Lowrun: It's 6:04 EST. "Tonight" will come in 4 hours. Get some rest.

Perkam
06-12-2008, 02:07 PM
eleeter

Quote:

Originally Posted by bill_d

full specs end the great SP debate:D

yes! :shocked:
06-12-2008, 02:31 PM
LowRun

Quote:

Originally Posted by perkam

@Lowrun: It's 6:04 EST. "Tonight" will come in 4 hours. Get some rest.

Perkam

Yup, i'm gonna do that cos' it'll be 4am here then. Enjoy the show guys :D
06-12-2008, 02:32 PM
nr2134

Quote:

Originally Posted by ceevee

So hard to decide. Should I get dual 4870s in crossfire on my X48(and take a risk on crossfire compatibility and support)? Or just get the GTX280??

arrghhh...:shrug:

I ran xfire in the early days of the x1900 and there was a bug here and there, but to be honest with you.....it was not as bad as some people claim. If ATI improved it which I hope they did, it will be a nice setup.

I also run on a X48 and Im waiting for results. I just cant seem to make myself run a Nvidia chipped mobo again. Good for benching, but lackluster for daily usage.
06-12-2008, 02:37 PM
Luka_Aveiro

@ least @ 3dmark nothing honestly surprising @ stock (equivalent to my 8800GT), maybe with 750mhz core we should see what the HD4850 can do...
06-12-2008, 02:45 PM
natty

hopefully jimmyz won't pull an OBR on us
06-12-2008, 02:48 PM
y2kbos

Quote:

Originally Posted by natty

hopefully jimmyz won't pull an OBR on us

Nah Jimmyz is for real, he will post for sure..
06-12-2008, 02:50 PM
jimmyz

Quote:

Originally Posted by natty

hopefully jimmyz won't pull an OBR on us

Nope I'm here:
forum is giving me problems.

[IMG]http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/2489/stickeruo3.jpg[/IMG]

I am going to get a full thread going once I get some benching done. I had a funeral today and had been swamped. got it installed and everything is good so far, let me get some more nubers and i'll post up.:up:

Thanks to FXvideocards.com they were great getting me this card so early. they will be selling them the 21st:up: http://fxvideocards.com/

more soon.. stay up. low run :up::rofl:
06-12-2008, 02:57 PM
Milos-stancene

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmyz

Nope I'm here:
forum is giving me problems.

[IMG]http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/2489/stickeruo3.jpg[/IMG]

I am going to get a full thread going once I get some benching done. I had a funeral today and had been swamped. got it installed and everything is good so far, let me get some more nubers and i'll post up.:up:

Thanks to FXvideocards.com they were great getting me this card so early. they will be selling them the 21st:up: http://fxvideocards.com/

more soon.. stay up. low run :up::rofl:

SAME OLD SONG :welcome:
06-12-2008, 03:07 PM
003

Quote:

Originally Posted by zerazax

Looks like PowerColor jumped the gun and sold the 4850 in Hong Kong:

http://my.ocworkbench.com/bbs/showthread.php?p=432522

15194 w/ QX9650 at 4GHz in 3dMark06 default

Not bad methinks

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmyz

Card has arrived. Info will be in a thread tonight, So far I can say It is an excellent performer. I will be busy benching and posting results tonight. Stay tuned to XS for more information.

A little teaser 15k in 06 is easy (4600mhz yorkie). much more info coming.

Ummm.... hey, am I the only one to notice that these numbers kind of suck, really badly? So, are you guys saying that a yorkfield @ 4.0-4.6GHz (an insane overclock unless you have unlocked multi) with a 4850 is only scoring ~15k in 3dmark06? That really, really sucks.

With my 2900Pro overclocked to 874/1000 and my Q9450 at 3.6GHz, I score 14.5k in 3dmark06. So if those results are real, then yes, that really sucks.
06-12-2008, 03:07 PM
perkam

Quote:

Originally Posted by Milos-stancene

SAME OLD SONG :welcome:

Far too early to make such comments. Please respect the member trying to give us an early look at some good 4850 benchies.

Perkam
06-12-2008, 03:13 PM
LordEC911

Quote:

Originally Posted by 003

Ummm.... hey, am I the only one to notice that these numbers kind of suck, really badly? So, are you guys saying that a yorkfield @ 4.0-4.6GHz (an insane overclock unless you have unlocked multi) with a 4850 is only scoring ~15k in 3dmark06? That really, really sucks.

With my 2900Pro overclocked to 874/1000 and my Q9450 at 3.6GHz, I score 14.5k in 3dmark06. So if those results are real, then yes, that really sucks.

A stock/slightly OC'ed card... yeah those results suck... :rolleyes:
06-12-2008, 03:13 PM
mascaras

Quote:

Originally Posted by Milos-stancene

SAME OLD SONG :welcome:

go to sleep :slapass:

regards
06-12-2008, 03:14 PM
Papu

Quote:

Originally Posted by 003

Ummm.... hey, am I the only one to notice that these numbers kind of suck, really badly? So, are you guys saying that a yorkfield @ 4.0-4.6GHz (an insane overclock unless you have unlocked multi) with a 4850 is only scoring ~15k in 3dmark06? That really, really sucks.

With my 2900Pro overclocked to 874/1000 and my Q9450 at 3.6GHz, I score 14.5k in 3dmark06. So if those results are real, then yes, that really sucks.

erm a 2900 pro is like a 2900xt , which currently holds to top 3dmark06 record.
the 2900xt is more like a 3870 not a 3850.+ the 4850 is ment to have fixed the aa issues of the 2900 and 3800's

we'll see how it games :D
3dmark 06 isn't everything <@:-D
06-12-2008, 03:15 PM
003

Quote:

Originally Posted by LordEC911

A stock/slightly OC'ed card... yeah those results suck... :rolleyes:

The overclock should be irrelevant. 06 is heavily CPU limited, and I have a 3.6GHz yorkfield, and they have a 4ghz yorkfield. That would be a pretty big balance tipper.

If the 4850 really has 800 SPs and 32 TMUs, then these results are extremely disappointing. Unless it basically doubles it's performance in crossfire, it's going to blow.
06-12-2008, 03:17 PM
Papu

Quote:

Originally Posted by 003

The overclock should be irrelevant. 06 is heavily CPU limited, and I have a 3.6GHz yorkfield, and they have a 4ghz yorkfield. That would be a pretty big balance tipper.

If the 4850 really has 800 SPs and 32 TMUs, then these results are extremely disappointing. Unless it basically doubles it's performance in crossfire, it's going to blow.

i believe you missed the part where the first retail price for the 2900 was something like 350 euros? the 4850 is supposed to be around 140 :P
06-12-2008, 03:17 PM
jimmyz

I can't blame people for doubting, but ask yourselves why until today I had no posts in this thread even though I am always a fan of the midrange ati cards. I will get more benches done soon, what speeds do you guys want for comparisions?

besides guy I'm naming sources, i got this card without an NDA. I am just a small town boy from Indiana, Out to bench anything I can get my hands on, the newer and rarer the better. gotta get back to testing. how about something like 4ghz?

Oh and this card clocks like crazy...lol I talked to W1zzard he confirmed it isn't reading right and the shader and other info is courtesy of a database that he will update to the real figures very soon hopefully.

teaser:
[IMG]http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/6...4464mhzgs8.jpg[/IMG]

Thanks again http://fxvideocards.com/
06-12-2008, 03:18 PM
STaRGaZeR

Yeah man please stop the 3DMark crap just run some games :p:
06-12-2008, 03:19 PM
jimmyz

Quote:

Originally Posted by Papu

i believe you missed the part where the first retail price for the 2900 was something like 350 euros? the 4850 is supposed to be around 140 :P

Actually it will be around 200 or more......It looks like. My guess 220 USD.:up:
06-12-2008, 03:19 PM
mascaras

Quote:

Originally Posted by 003

Ummm.... hey, am I the only one to notice that these numbers kind of suck, really badly? So, are you guys saying that a yorkfield @ 4.0-4.6GHz (an insane overclock unless you have unlocked multi) with a 4850 is only scoring ~15k in 3dmark06? That really, really sucks.

With my 2900Pro overclocked to 874/1000 and my Q9450 at 3.6GHz, I score 14.5k in 3dmark06. So if those results are real, then yes, that really sucks.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 003

The overclock should be irrelevant. 06 is heavily CPU limited, and I have a 3.6GHz yorkfield, and they have a 4ghz yorkfield. That would be a pretty big balance tipper.

If the 4850 really has 800 SPs and 32 TMUs, then these results are extremely disappointing. Unless it basically doubles it's performance in crossfire, it's going to blow.

you know how much a 9800GTX got in 2k6 ???

9800GTX with Quad @4Ghz = ~15K

so this means hd2900 is good as 9800GTX ??? not even close

3dmark 2006 means nothing !

regards
06-12-2008, 03:20 PM
Papu

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmyz

Actually it will be around 200 or more......It looks like. My guess 220 USD.:up:

220 dollars is still 140 euros :D
...but im sure with 1:1 tech conversion it will be about 200 euros at launch :(
06-12-2008, 03:20 PM
LordEC911

Quote:

Originally Posted by 003

The overclock should be irrelevant. 06 is heavily CPU limited, and I have a 3.6GHz yorkfield, and they have a 4ghz yorkfield. That would be a pretty big balance tipper.

If the 4850 really has 800 SPs and 32 TMUs, then these results are extremely disappointing. Unless it basically doubles it's performance in crossfire, it's going to blow.

My Q6600 @ 3.2ghz and heavily OC'ed GTS got 15506
Both stock got 11877...
Q6600 @ 3.2ghz and GTS stock is 14259.

Yes, the CPU helps but so does OC'ing the card.
06-12-2008, 03:21 PM
perkam

Quote:

Originally Posted by mascaras

you know how much a 9800GTX got in 2k6 ???

9800GTX with Quad @4Ghz = ~15K

so this means hd2900 is good as 9800GTX ??? not even close

3dmark 2006 means nothing !

regards

Wow !! Mascaras Angry !! First time I've seen that :woot:

Go Mascaras :up: Kick his pessimistic arse :)

Perkam
06-12-2008, 03:22 PM
mascaras

Quote:

Originally Posted by perkam

Wow !! Mascaras Angry !! First time I've seen that :woot:

Go Mascaras :up: Kick his pessimistic arse :)

Perkam

:p::p: :up:

Now lets see some more Benchs and Games :yepp:

best regards
06-12-2008, 03:23 PM
y2kbos

One Dutch webshop already has listed the HD4850 for 152 euro's
06-12-2008, 03:24 PM
jimmyz

Quote:

Originally Posted by STaRGaZeR

Yeah man please stop the 3DMark crap just run some games :p:

just for you stargazer I'm gonna run the crysis bench how does 1680 X1050 With high settings DX10 Cpu at 4GHZ and ram ( 4GB) at 5-5-5-15. card is still stock clocks and I can confirm at least in the Visiontek the stock is 625mhz and it maxxes under CCC at 700 (which it will do).

it does run quite hot 79c idle, but seems fine with it. I definitely need to spend a little time trying something to up the fan speed. the usual suspects are all in need of a tool lib update for this card.:shrug:

back in a while.:up:
06-12-2008, 03:27 PM
natty

do 'very high' also :up:
06-12-2008, 03:28 PM
Helmore

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmyz

Actually it will be around 200 or more......It looks like. My guess 220 USD.:up:

He is talking about euros, I can already find the 4850 for 184 euro, not in stock though and it's only one shop so there is probably some price gauging involved...
BTW, the 3870 can be had for around 120 euro.(all excluding shipping ofcourse)
06-12-2008, 03:33 PM
fcry64

625...and maxes out at.... 700?:(
06-12-2008, 03:37 PM
mascaras

Quote:

Originally Posted by fcry64

625...and maxes out at.... 700?:(

ONLY in CCC (Catalyst Control center)

regards
06-12-2008, 03:38 PM
Helmore

Quote:

Originally Posted by fcry64

625...and maxes out at.... 700?:(

CCC has an option do run it at 700 and he just said that this was child's play. There just aren't any tools/programs to clock this card any higher at the moment and I guess ATI-tool will need an update for this.
Got beaten to is by mascaras :p:
06-12-2008, 03:39 PM
003

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmyz

just for you stargazer I'm gonna run the crysis bench how does 1680 X1050 With high settings DX10 Cpu at 4GHZ and ram ( 4GB) at 5-5-5-15. card is still stock clocks and I can confirm at least in the Visiontek the stock is 625mhz and it maxxes under CCC at 700 (which it will do).

it does run quite hot 79c idle, but seems fine with it. I definitely need to spend a little time trying something to up the fan speed. the usual suspects are all in need of a tool lib update for this card.:shrug:

back in a while.:up:

jimmyz, if you insist on using vantage, please at least use the extreme preset. The performance preset doesn't tell much.
06-12-2008, 03:47 PM
fcry64

Quote:

Originally Posted by mascaras

ONLY in CCC (Catalyst Control center)

regards

Quote:

Originally Posted by Helmore

CCC has an option do run it at 700 and he just said that this was child's play. There just aren't any tools/programs to clock this card any higher at the moment and I guess ATI-tool will need an update for this.
Got beaten to is by mascaras :p:

but still...:(
06-12-2008, 03:55 PM
Helmore

Don't be so pessimistic :p:, these cards can probably clock a lot better than just a measly 700 MHz.
06-12-2008, 04:05 PM
mascaras

Quote:

Originally Posted by fcry64

but still...:(

thats perfectly normal like with all new ATi cards @ release date = almost none has software to OC beside the CCC

and the release date for the cards is only 25th ............

wait for a new version of Atitool or Rivatuner with HD4000 support

you can try AMDtool too !

regards
06-12-2008, 04:13 PM
Your_Boss

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmyz

Card has arrived. Info will be in a thread tonight, So far I can say It is an excellent performer. I will be busy benching and posting results tonight. Stay tuned to XS for more information.

A little teaser 15k in 06 is easy (4600mhz yorkie). much more info coming.

Thanks for this. Do Crysis 25x12 (4xAA, and No AA) with stock card speeds. Thanks again.

Oh, BTW, can you do me a tinsi winsi favor and crack open the chip's interior and count the shaders one by one? CPUZ isn't quite giving us accurate figures. :ROTF: Ok, JK!
06-12-2008, 04:28 PM
Milos-stancene

Where is HE ? :shrug:
06-12-2008, 04:33 PM
eleeter

Quote:

Originally Posted by Milos-stancene

Where is HE ? :shrug:

Counting shaders of course.
06-12-2008, 04:50 PM
STaRGaZeR

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmyz

just for you stargazer I'm gonna run the crysis bench how does 1680 X1050 With high settings DX10 Cpu at 4GHZ and ram ( 4GB) at 5-5-5-15. card is still stock clocks and I can confirm at least in the Visiontek the stock is 625mhz and it maxxes under CCC at 700 (which it will do).

it does run quite hot 79c idle, but seems fine with it. I definitely need to spend a little time trying something to up the fan speed. the usual suspects are all in need of a tool lib update for this card.:shrug:

back in a while.:up:

Good, I'll go to bed now that I have some time before the real show :lol:

Keep the results coming and thanks :up:
06-12-2008, 05:14 PM
jimmyz

Quote:

Originally Posted by 003

jimmyz, if you insist on using vantage, please at least use the extreme preset. The performance preset doesn't tell much.

extreme with a midrange single card? :rofl: this is a mainstream card. but that being said it scored X2808 (very pretty slideshow) with 4ghz Quad and card at stock clocks and default image quality.(balanced) no tweaks whatsoever to vista, set just like my daily use.GPU score BTW was 15676 , I will post screens when i get the thread up, gotta keep running tests, just wanted to keep you up to date.:up:
06-12-2008, 05:16 PM
v_rr

X2808 is a very good result.
What drivers are you using? Cat 8.6 beta?
06-12-2008, 05:17 PM
zerazax

Nice results
06-12-2008, 05:19 PM
003

The extreme preset is what should always be used regardless of the card. It's not like it matters if it has low framerates; it's not like you're playing 3DMark. Using the extreme preset exclusively does the best job of factoring out the CPU, and gives a number you can always compare with other vantage scores. None of the confusion about one person benching one card with X, another with P, comparing scores, etc.. things would be a lot simpler if people just used extreme. 2800 is pretty good, seeing as there were rumors about the 4870 only scoring 2700-2800 on the extreme preset.
06-12-2008, 05:50 PM
Kai Robinson

Cryyyyyyyssiiiiiiiiiiissss!!!!! :D
06-12-2008, 05:57 PM
ripken204

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kai Robinson

Cryyyyyyyssiiiiiiiiiiissss!!!!! :D

hehe, i cant wait for these benchmarks!
i have not been playing crysis on purpose because i believe that it is a sin to not play it on max settings. once the 4870 comes out, its crysis time :)
06-12-2008, 06:11 PM
Extelleron

Quote:

Originally Posted by ripken204

hehe, i cant wait for these benchmarks!
i have not been playing crysis on purpose because i believe that it is a sin to not play it on max settings. once the 4870 comes out, its crysis time :)

I thought that way too, but I've played through it twice already and I'm ready for another play through on highest difficulty. :)

Crysis is one of the few FPS's I've ever played more than once, because it is so open ended.

Anyway, X2800 is what we have heard from other sources, and that is pretty darn good IMO. It puts the HD 4850 above the 3870 X2 and if the 4870 ends up being 30% faster, then it would be around the speed of a 9800GX2.

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