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Someone at MS is paying attention after all, the nVidia display driver update is gone.
Sean, I kinda like IE so I'm sticking with it, even if it's slower and all.
Funny that you mention Apple, not sure if there is another browser for OS X, maybe IE also? They also have MS Office so why not?! Guess they'll have it coming as well, if all is fair.
Seems there is a 196.78 beta nVidia driver out there with support for Fermi already, at least GTX470. Hopefully, the fan issue was fixed.
nVidia today made available in their site drivers 197.13 beta, or WHQL-candidate as they call it. Fan issue fixed from 196.75 finally. PhysiX driver newer version, as already available in 196.75 and HD audio driver update.
Numerous bug fixes as usual and performance improvements.
Wait and see if it's ok this time.
DivX Plus 8 is finally out, for those who care. HD all the way.
I found it odd that the site was down but they were testing the new page, still beta.
Also, new RAID drivers out v9.6.0.1014.
Hello there! Long time no see 8)
Intel® Rapid Storage Technology Driver is available for download - TRIM function for SSD drives is enabled now.
All what i can say now, after upgrading to latest BIOS and Win7, i'm still missing a lot of useful features in BIOS. Like ability to save more than one custom settings for example. And cooler fan speed control would be great... And more detailed info on some undocumented features. And more, and more, and more... IDCC is sucks.
It's looks like we will recieve new BIOS only in case of EXTREME bug in chipset 8(
Anyway Bonetrail is solid as rock at defaults, so this is enough for me.
RE RST 9.6.0.1014:
Can anyone find a Readme about this update? maybe i am just missing it, but i dont see it and would like to know if they addressed the drive failures when windows powers down drives to save energy, or at least what they fixed.
sean
New Intel Chipset Drivers Bring TRIM Support for RAID Setups
The TRIM feature introduced by the newest generation of operating systems makes solid state drives more efficient with write performance. However, it does not work when RAID arrays are built with SSDs, until now. The latest version (9.6.0.1014) of Intel Rapid Storage Technology driver enables TRIM for each of the SSDs that are part of a RAID volume, of all RAID types, with the exception for RAID 5. The software can be downloaded from here.
Introduced with Microsoft's Windows 7, Windows Server 2008 R2, and with Linux 2.6.33, TRIM is a feature which uses system idle time to physically erase deleted data, since unlike with magnetic hard drives, data can't be simply overwritten on areas with deleted data. Deleted data must be erased before a NAND flash device can store fresh data in its place, and this causes additional write-cycles on setups without TRIM support. TRIM erases deleted data whenever feasible so that lesser number of write cycles are spent when there's data to be actually written in its place, increasing performance.
@Sean-E-Boy
There is a readme file in installation dir, but it is really poor on info: just instructions on how to install.
There is no bugfix list at all. Intel guys are acting as usual...
May be You'll be able to find more info @
http://communities.intel.com/search?...=rapid+storage
Thanks for the info Manel
I must admit this new Rapid Storage Technology software really does love my X-25M drives.... even if they are Gen 1 drives!
ASUS have not responded to me, so my guess is they are brushing the PCI-E Gen 2.0 bugs under the carpet :(
The bug is confirmed by ASUS forum users on the following boards.
However ASUS have not as of yet provided a fix for something Intel fixed back in July 2009! :(Quote:
ASUS P5E3
ASUS Maximus Forumla
ASUS P5E
ASUS P5E Workstation Pro
ASUS P5E3 Premium
Ah well.... I wonder when the next Intel DX38BT/DX48BT2 BIOS update is going to be released and whether it will have a new RAID Option ROM!?!
John
petr0id, yeah, i saw that crappy readme...hate having to look for the changes.
John, i fear that there will be no further BIOS updates for us, and if there are, i seriously doubt that they will add any functionality unless the x58 boards that use similar BIOSes get something that is backwards compatible to us. :(
sean
John, it wasn't much but it sheds some light on what was changed/new features.
It's odd that Asus can't or won't fix that issue, they are either not capable (which I find hard to believe), or they don't think it's worth it or yet it's not fixable on their boards, maybe power constrains. Still, they should at least say something about it.
Regarding BIOS, I'm with Sean, unfortunatelly. I would like to see new BIOSes coming up with at least these updates but I can't imagine Intel doing any further development on it. Still, I hope.
nVidia released drivers 197.13 on thursday, with GTX470/480 coming in on friday, which is funny. Still the drivers don't support officially the GTX400 series (although we know they do). How do you release a new tech without drivers support?! nVidia style as usual. Hope these new drivers don't come with an extra feature/bug!!!
Looks like nVidia is coming out with GTS450/440/430 based on GF104, cutdown version of GF100. GTS440 seems to be a good part, for me that is. At least a 256b mem interface board. 2Q release though, I'll wait for the reviews and see if the specs hold true.
GTS450 20% I believe. GTS430 only 192b interface.
Lower power consumption finally. GTX480 rated at 250W after all, it was said to be 296W.
Hey guys, I just bought one more Raptor today. And luckilly I see new storage drivers.
I'm updating it right now :-)
Edit: So I have updated to Intel Rapid Storage... Previously named Matrix Storage.
- Software looks comletelly new :-)
- I had to tweak "Intel Rapid Storage" in services.msc. By default it is set for Automatic (delayed) start. Better is to use "Automatic". It will start it faster and not show error message in buble.
- I have also found bug... You must have 2 RAID volumes. Click Manage, Open Help, Click back to Management console and keep Help opened. Now on right side click on Volume1, Volume2, Volume1... While switching volumes the "Data strip size" item is not updated :-( (Possibly only GUI bug)
- Migration from 3 to 4 drives was sucessful, but took few hours.
Hiya GumaLive!
I dont know is it right decision - to set RST service into the plain Automatic start mode. Maybe it is starting Delayed for a good reason - to wait for other services to starts and confirms their disk activity? Dunno. And is Yours first (meant on which Windows is installed) disk is treated as a "System Disk"? My one is not... Scrn attached.
No, my "System" volume is also not marked as system :-/
ASUS require 2 more screenshots and then hopefully they will fix the PCI-E Gen 2.0 bug.
They require a screenshot of a DX38BT running BIOS 1997
and then a screenshot of a DX38BT running BIOS 2006 from the same system. Ideally the BIOS 1997's nVidia graphics card would be running @ PCI-E Gen 1.1, yet resolved by the BIOS upgrade.
I have provided ASUS with the screenshots you have all provided however they say that it is not conclusive enough to prove that the P5E3 X38chipset is a PCI-E Gen 2.0 board :(
They are of the opinion that X48 is PCI-E Gen 2.0! NOT X38!
I provided ASUS a screenshot of a 9800GT running on a DX38BT using BIOS 1997, the card was stuck @ PCI-E 1.1 mode, yet all new(er) BIOS show nVidia cards happily running @ PCI-E 2.0
:(
John
Well, then clearly they are F-ing idiots...as Intel has admitted that the x48s are nothing more than x38s that passed more rigorous testing at higher FSB and mem frequency speeds...ie "Higher binned" as the techies call it. and EVERYTHING ELSE on the board is identical to the 38...Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnZS
Now i suppose that it is possible that when the BIOS package detects that there is an "x48" rather than an "x38", then PCI-E Gen 2.0 is enabled, where it is not with the x38?
Sean
This is why I ditched Asus, they're a bunch of idiots, full of it.
It's not that they're in this business only for a couple of days, if they don't know the chipset (X38), which they should of course, they could as well research instead of saying stupid things like that.
X48 is indeed a higher binned version of X38, you can even see it by the same BIOS used for both, right?! X48 is rated for 1600 mem/FSB while the X38 only supported (at first) 1333. Now, with the newer BIOSes both can reach 1600, though X38 not officially.
I guess they'll have to come to their senses. Isn't there anyone else complaining about this issue? If there are quite a few of you they'll have to do something I guess.
Thanks guys, I thought that was pretty much the case, I thought the X48 was higher binned and worked with lower voltages? Than the X38. Aside from those differences the feature set was identical.
ASUS, Gigabyte and Foxconn boards are effected.
ASUS and Foxconn symptoms are the same, however Gigabyte boards are half fixed, they report a slot capability of PCI-E Gen 2.0, just a card cabability of PCI-E 1.1.
If you are interested a lot of people are discussing this on the nVidia forums here
I am trying to help people by coordinating testing etc. I have found that the ASUS P5E and an ASUS P5E Flashed to a Maximus Formula is unaffected by this bug, however my P5E3 and a Geniune Maximus Formula IS effected by the bug?!? Weird huh!
On the whole most X48 boards are unaffected and only 2 X58 boards (A Biostar board, and 1 ASUS board) are effected so far.
Thanks for your support guys.
John
Didn't have the notion that this issue even existed before you mentioned it, good thing I went with Intel after all.
Funny how the top dogs are affected, not others. Even Foxconn, which I believe makes the boards for Intel, although BIOS development is different.
X58 having the same issue is weird.
Seems nVidia will have a new GF100 SKU out, the GTX460, this one looks good to me, 256b wide mem bus, 1GB mem, normal card. Just wonder about power draw. Just a reference design though, no actual card.
Also, EVGA seems to have a 4 way SLI, not Quad SLI, running on their Classified boards, wow.
John
It seems there were some issues regarding PCIe 2.0 with the SmackOver (Intel DX58SO) as well, fixed almost a year ago though. I imagine it would be the same problem, not sure though. Power issue.
Thank you very much for the info Manuel.
It appears that Intel were having a link modulation issue on the DX58SO, apparently they fixed it in BIOS 4196 and addressed another PCI-E issue in BIOS 5020.
With regards to the current situation facing nVidia cards and non-Intel branded Intel chipset boards. P45 chipset boards do NOT have the issue. X38 and some X48 based boards have the issue, with a handful of X58 and P55 boards having the issue.
Gigabyte are playing the "Gigabyte branded cards work fine, so therefore if you use eVGA, Zotac, BFG or another branded card then it is your fault" card to Gigabyte owners.
ASUS are stalling and making out that the X38 chipset is flawed, yet the X48 is perfect.
Foxconn MIGHT try and fix the issue, IF they can.
I had a report today of someone experiencing this issue under Linux using a GTX 480 on an ASUS P5E. For them the issue was causing a huge performance degradation as they are doing CUDA computing under Linux. The performance was less than half on the ASUS P5E compared to the nForce 790i with exactly the same system components. ASUS really need to sort this out.
Have you guys had a new BIOS yet?
Intel seem to have slowed down somewhat on X48 and X38 BIOS, they also seem to be holding out on the new Option ROM's.
John
John, thanx for the update.
You are right, Intel seems to have dropped BIOS development for these boards nothing new since BIOS 2006, and this was October last year. Even new drivers aren't being released. Audio for one is something to forget about, they are not only terrible but Intel doesn't provide any updates from IDT.
Option ROM seems to be forgotten, yes.
Latest update out was RAID, a month or so ago.
The nVidia issue is odd, since it reveals itself only on certain configurations as I understand it. Is it a mix of hardware and software problems? Is it a flaw in nVidia design or Intel's? Since not all chipsets have the issue, even hardware that is essencially the same (X38 and X48) might or might not have the issue, could it be an OEM implementation/design problem? Even different drivers have different behaviours. So, where is the problem really? I guess everyone is trying to pass the issue to someone else.
End of interactive (?!) support for DX38BT, says Intel on their page.
Oh well, guess it was about time. Haven't checked for DX48BT2 though, think not though since it's not discontinued yet I believe.
Hello Manel.
End of interactive support for DX38BT and don't much time for DX48BT2 to be discontinued without IDT drivers to come out for Windows 7.
Unbelievable...
Hey guys,
Long time no posts (from me). :p:
I'm having some weird problems with my DX48BT2. I'm having some random reboots and I haven't figured out what it's causing it.
The crashes usually starts after power failures (which is every two days, for two hours).
While using the computer, the computer hangs up and I have to hard reset it or it just simply reboots it self (no BSOD or anything like it).
The PSU and Video Card are fine, I already tried with my friend's and keeps crashing the same (another HD4870 and the PSU was a 850w)
I haven't try with another memories 'cuz I don't have any DDR3 around that I could borrow but memtest keeps saying there's no error.
The system it's not overheating (which usually causes random reboots most of the time), CPU/RAM/PSU/VIDEO/CHIPSET temperatures are fine.
I have checked almost everything that could cause random reboots and nothing shows up.
This happened with Windows XP and now on Windows 7. All drivers are up2date.
The only error I have found so far is in Windows 7 Event Viewer, which shows critical errors indicating "Event 41 Kernel-Power", couldn't find anything useful @ Google about that error.
What's *strange* is that, the only way to "stop" this random reboots is resetting the BIOS and setting it again BUT the errors come back once there's another power failure so... (oh, It happens with all BIOS versions too, atm running latest BIOS), yes... That's why I think it could possibly be a motherboard error but that's how far I go, I can't think anymore what it could be, I'm just thinking on dropping this motherboard and buying a new one. >_<;
If you guys have any suggestion to troubleshoot this (or just a hammer), it will be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Q___Q;
Good to see other people still posting, maybe X38 is only dead for Intel.
BT, guess you're right, don't have much hope for new drivers or BIOS anymore.
tam, welcome back. I had the idea that this behaviour had been fixed in the past, guess not. I don't think I had this issue, not latelly at least. Power here doesn't go out that much, although not the cleanest. Still, last weekend there was some electric work being done and we lost power quite a few times, and for a long time. Still, the rig is running fine. I have problems with my Platinums though, errors come up while testing, guess it's RMA time.
Are you Ocing? Have you tried setting BIOS at defaults and see if it happens the same? Maybe also relaxing mem timings.
Mayve voltage usually is too low and the system (PSU) must shut down, if it's out of spec. Try reading voltage input with a multimeter, see if it's within the power company specification (plus minus limits of course). Maybe voltage is just to low to power your system.
System has been OCd since day one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manel
I tried default BIOS settings and system restarts cuz of memory timings.
The memories are working at 1.9v, its the sweet spot for memtest errors and its OCZ recommended value, as for timings, its OCZ default timings, 7-6-6-24.
This problem started around 5 months ago, it used to work without problems, dunno what happened that is causing this.
Just my 2cents but what vid card (your friend's) did you try also? Was it an HD4xxx as well? Did you try an nVidia card? Maybe it's another of those AMD (I'm not an AMD hater nor an nVidia fanboy) cards issue. I believe there was such an issue a while back, solved with a BIOS update though.
Also, was it not after installing Windows 7 or something? Sorry, you said it happened with XP also.
Try removing for a while or changing the CMOS battery. I know this is just silly but maybe you just need to completelly drain power for a complete parameter reset. Can't think of anything else atm. Maybe using the internal jumper will help too.
Still have my DX48BT2 going strong.
Haven't been to the thread for a while, thought I'd check back in.
Tam,
Do you have drives in RAID? I know that with the newest intel rapid storage manager (or whatever it is called) version that i was having trouble with random reboots and pinned it down to the windows power option to turn off hard drives after xx time causing SMART errors and system reboots/crashes. If you are saying that the failures are happening just about every 2 hours, check to see how long windows waits to spin down your hard drives.
For me, having windows never turn off the drives fixed the problem.
On the other hand, overclocking does cause progressive component degredation, and after some time of running your system OC'd it is possible that the CPU, FSB, MCH and possibly the RAM may require a voltage increase to remain stable.
If you dont have drives in RAID, are not using the latest intel rapid storage technology, or telling windows to not spin down drives does not fix the problem, try either lowing your OC a little while keeping the voltages the same, or bump the voltages a little.
The voltage setting with the largest impact on overall system stability is the vFSB, so start there. if that doesnt work, bump the vMCH. increase the vCore next if the problem still exists. if that doesnt fix it, try the ram voltage.
Sean
Man, this is getting boring, nothing new from Intel for so long now...
It's sad but true Manel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manel
Nothing news...
I should buy a new Sound Card :mad:
Yes BT, sad indeed. I can't imagine why Intel won't post newer audio drivers. IDT must have them for sure. Intel did stop using these codecs after our board, Realtek for the DX58SO I believe. Still, this is no reason to stop providing drivers for "older" boards.
Tam, did you solve your mem problem? I know that those Plats are rated 1.9V but you should try 1.8V instead. Tony once did a review of those and 1.9V wouldn't work for him too (with an Asus P5K3 though) and 1.8V worked like a charm. Try and play with mem voltage and see the sweet spot, these are speedy modules but sometimes picky.
Audio sucks for me too. Guess I'll have to re-install the drivers, always get question marks in the jacks in the rear panel in audio control panel, and the sound is lousy.
Also, Dolby never got an update.
Come on Intel, at least post some updated drivers. There must be newer ones for sure, with Win7 support at least.
INF 9.1.2.1007
Finally something new...
Sh*t, Intel released Dolby Control Center 2.2.3 and Realtek audio drivers for DX58 SO SmackOver, how about us? Are we dead yet?
I wonder if Dolby will work with our board? Or maybe it's specific for the Realtek codec. It's released for Vista and 7 (32 and 64bit).
Hello again manel.
After spending a long time, Intel releases new Chipset drivers' version, but IDT Audio drivers for Intel are absent.
I have a Notebook Hp with IDT Audio integrated solutions, and HP released these drivers, with DOLBY DIGITAL from a long time.
It is simply ridiculous.
I already have surrendered. I have ordered a Creative X-Fi Sound Card, to play games and listen music with Dolby Digital Live and DTS Connect.
Hi BT
Yes, I remember HP notebooks having IDT audio, and for a long time I saw them already with this new GUI (v2.0 I believe) while we still had the horrible looking older one for months. Only after a very long time they released drivers v20001 and that was it for us, no more drivers to date. I don't really believe these are not available, only Intel will not provide them. But why? At least DX48BT2 (and DX38BT being similar uses the same drivers, fortunatelly) hasn't reached EOL yet so support and updated drivers should still be provided. But I guess Intel can do as they please.
They also used to be regular updating LAN drivers and now it's been ages since v15.1.
Some newer drivers might not even bring changes to our boards (specifically) but at least you feel that they're working on their products, providing new features or enhancing/fixing existing ones.
Oh well, Intel will be Intel...
Just to re-inforce the driver (or lack of) update issue, there's a LAN 15.2 available already, just not in our dl page, yet. Released 29.04.20010, not exactly yesterday.
If they don't make their own drivers immediatelly available to us, how would they do it for third-party drivers, like IDT for audio?!
Intel is a giant, they can do as they please, for now...
DX58SO has had BIOS updates every month now, X58 is hi again. I don't expect this for our "old" board of course, waste of resources for an old product. But at least tweak a little, only a few things. We could start enumerating the changes we would like to see and maybe, just maybe, they'll listen.
RAID option ROM should be updated to the latest version. Also, one thing I believe should have been addressed already, mem voltage granularity, 0.4V is too much, we need 0.1V.
Come on guys, give your input.
Man, they heard me, again!! I'm starting to get suspicious... not really.
LAN drivers v15.3 out, just yesterday I could only find v15.2 but hey. Released on May 14th though, as usual a couple of weeks already.
Come on Intel, at least give us updated audio drivers, for Win7 is the least you can do (and I'm not even running 7). Maybe they'll listen.
I guess a new BIOS is out of the question, and IDCC as well (even version 769 is still beta, I guess it never come out of beta anyway). 5 series boards have had several IDCC versions latelly.
I ran into an interesting overclocking experience.
I found I couldn't break 3Ghz easily, as I use 8GB of Corsair XMS3 1333Ghz memory rated for 1.6V. On their own forum, when suggesting the configurations that should work well for overclocking, they'd list the vmem as 1.7v. I noted that when running at 1066, the vmem was 1.54v. So I undervolted when overclocking and stability was acheived.
Very strange!
So I'm now at 3.6Ghz on my Q6600
vcore 1.4
vFSB 1.325
vMCH 1.4
vMem 1.58
Multi: 9x
FSB: 400
Reference: 400
Mem freq: 1333
tCL = 9
tRCD = 9
tRP = 9
tRASmin = 24
tRFC = 80
tRRD = 4
tWR = 10
tWTR = 5
tRTP = 5
Command Rate: 2T
Totally amazing to me that I'd been going the wrong direction in voltages. It would POST with higer vMEM settings and pass several passes on Memtest, but was not stable for more than 15 to 30 minutes in Windows 7 x64.
Undervolting compared to the listed voltage worked in this instance. Has anyone else found that undervolting their memory yielded better results?
In any case, it feels like a whole new computer.
Hey HT, I've seen in the past people saying that in fact, some mem modules (depends on the specific chips they're made of) in fact like lower voltages rather than higher.
Not sure it was with Corsair sticks, though, I believe the chips were either Micron or Elpida.
Anyway, that's great news, you get the best of both worlds, lower voltages and temps, as well as a higher and more stable overclock. Cool!!
Do you have your Corsairs running @1333? Can't you get better timmings than 9-9-9-24? I believe those are the rated timmings for 1600, right? Maybe you can get CAS 7 or CAS 8? Still, with 8GB and all slots populated Intel doesn't support 1600. Maybe you can try this and confirm if it works, I was kinda wanting to go 8GB myself.
Corsair has chip types for their revisions of memory on their support forum http://forum.corsair.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68811
My memory modules have 2.1 listed as the version, so according to the list they are Elpida.
Coolbeans!
I'll do some testing in between all the other family activities this memorial day weekend and let you know next week.
I am not too sure if this is the right place to mention this, but the X38 chipset has a bug with the PCI-E 2.0 controller which prevents correct functioning of nVidia GT2xx and GF1xx GPU's. If you use these GPU's on an X38 based motherboard they will only operate at PCI-1.1 with drivers newer than April 2009.
The long running saga I had with ASUS finally ended today when I e-mailed nVidia and got a reply in a matter of hours.
G92 GPU's do not have P-states. So in theory they should (and it has been confirmed) run @ PCI-E 2.0 all of the time.Quote:
Hi John,
I am sorry however there is nothing we can do in this case. The Intel x38 chipset was Intel's first generation PCI-E 2.0 implementation and unfortunately has some PCI-E 2.0 bugs, one that causes the graphics card to hang when changing P states. The only Intel PCI-E 2.0 chipset which shows these bugs is the Intel x38 chipset. If you see any other Intel chipset reporting PCI-E 1.0 speeds with our GPUs, please let me know. The best way to check is to run a 3D program in the background as this will change the P state of the graphics card from PCI-E 1.0 to PCI-E 2.0. This throttling is done to conserve power when the user is running basic Windows tasks
I do not know how to proceed with this issue,
Could I request an RMA for an X48 board?
Or just bite the bullet and upgrade when I really do not need to or even want to at the moment
John
John, if it's only X38 you're ok since you're on X48. Unless they mean X48 also, since it's not too different from X38.
Still, they didn't mention Fermi as having or not the same issue, do you know if it's there too? I guess since the P states should exist there also.
I'm on G92 that's why I'm ok, I was waiting on GF104 but now I'm not sure anymore. Does ATI have this issue also?
How come they took so long to give a straight answer? If it's not even their fault?!
John, did you ask Intel regarding this bug? I guess, if the X48 has this issue fixed, those of us with the DX38BT should be able to RMA our boards and get a DX48BT2 at least.
How come drivers before April 2009 don't show this issue? Maybe they forced the throttling down in the drivers that support GT200 and above.
Any word on Fermi having P states as well? I guess it should have, so no upgrade anytime soon.
Man, Intel is so sloppy at times. Even their drivers, is it just me or those LAN drivers still use the same old font as it has been using for years?! Intel, come on, are you guys sleeping? Give it a welcome facelift, it needs for some time now.
On an unrelated note, I was amazed at the prompt replacement of my RMA'ed OCZ mem sticks. Those guys at OCZ worked fast. My Plats were showing lots of errors so I sent them to their European office in the Netherlands, on monday of last week. They got there on tuesday and on wednesday they shipped a DC kit of 4GB instead of my 2GB kit (great guys, thanks a lot, you rock.). Only thing funny (or not), when I was tracking the package with FedEx it showed leaving from Taiwan (what?! I said, not Taiwan please). Anyway, next monday it arrived and it in fact came from Taiwan and it was made in Taiwan. Come on guys, what happened to made in the US? My original kit didn't state where it was made, but I assumed the US, although everything these days is made in China or Taiwan. Still, that kinda disappointed me. But thanks you guys still. It's now happily running on my rig finally.
Now I have to install the x64 version of either Vista or 7. I was delaying it since I hate to see the Program Files (x86) there along with the regular one. Just a detail but still... I believe even 7 doesn't feel like a true 64 bit OS with all these things still there making it look like a patched thing. Maybe the next OS?! OSX does not have this distinction, does it? How I hate legacy stuff, it makes everything go forward so slow.
I think I'll stick to Vista, I hate the new task bar in 7, although you can almost tweak it to look like Vista's. Too bad MS won't make Vista lighter and snappier like 7.
Wow, this thread has 2349 posts and 94 pages!!! I don't have time to go through every one of them so I apologize in advance if this question has already been answered... I picked up a used X48 board with the latest bios. I make vcore changes in the bios, but cpuz and everest does not show them. Also, the amount of overclock I can make leads me to believe it's still at stock voltages. Are all these boards defective or am I missing something?
Hey vasgto, welcome to this (yes) long thread, almost reaching 100 pages. What a feat, hum?!
Hopefully you're board is not defective. How far can you go on your board? Some people get near the 500 mark with theirs, not sure if this is too low for you. These boards aren't as tweaked as, for example, Asus boards that can go higher in FSB. Still, it's a great board IMHO, you just need to know it well enough and go gently, it's like a woman (more a lady really).
When you check CPUZ, is it not throttled down in idle state? The voltage would drop. Try running compute intensive tasks at the same and also check the multiplier and see if it's showing the rated value or a lower one.
Give me info on your system and oc results.
Exchanged the Q9300 against a little Celeron E3200. Really nice and cheap little CPU:
http://www.planet3dnow.de/vbulletin/...0&d=1275484502
:yepp:
Hi red. Nice OC there. Why did you go for the Celly? I see it hits 4G but will it performe like the Q9300, even at higher freq?
Something is funny regarding the temps, you have CoreTemp showing 50's and 40's to Tjmax while IDCC shows 127ºC deltaT. Looks like it's the min temp read by the sensor (lower end of scale), either the proc is not supported in BIOS or IDCC is not reading correctly.
I think I don't neet four cores at the moment. I participated in distributed computing a while ago, therefore the Q9300 was helpful. But for normal use I prefer a fast Dual-Core. And ists a real bargain, got it @ebay for around 30 Euros.Quote:
Originally Posted by Manel
The Board and the IDCC aren't recognizing the CPU, so the Temperature is wrong.
Thanks for the reply Manel, but here is a brief description the last time I tried which was several months ago... It goes something like this, now this isn't exact but you'll get the idea: I have an E7300 which overclocks to 4.0ghz on my EVGA 790Ultra on air, using same everything on the DX48BT2 I only get 3.5ghz. Its that simple, and yes I tried default settings with an increase in cpu voltage only and I tired turning everything energy related off. Still no change in cpu voltage. I have read some reviews which the author had the same problem... anyway, I just thought I'd ask in case there was a special bios that someone knows about to fix this problem. REX is extremely hard to find :(
Hi vas
Carefull when turning stuff off in BIOS, if it's only C states and all that's fine. However, don't disable Vdroop or Voffset, it will cause you problems. I'm not sure how these are called in our board' BIOS, haven't messed with it for a while now, not even sure if we can change it even. Still, for this generation of processors those are supposed to be enabled, to account for the load changes.
Was your limit in FSB or proc freq scaling? What settings could you achieve with your 790 Ultra and with the DX48BT2?
nVidia drivers 257.21 WHQL out, also DirectX June 2010 runtimes.
Still, nothing new on Intel :-(
BIOS 5390 out for DX58SO.
Bonetrail has been forgotten...
Maybe it's already perfect, needs no more fixes or new features or tweaks!!!
Hello!?
Is Intel dead or what.
Yesterday, there was an item Intel series 6 chipset boards at Intel's download site, but today it's gone.
I wonder when the X68 will be out, I heard only next year or even 2012 but maybe it's sooner.
Well, it seems this really has reached EOL.
Nothing new for so long.
Even the DX58SO hasn't seen an update latelly.
I believe Intel is bust preping the 6 series boards, including the X68 - that could be my next board, if it looks good.
It's claimed to sport USB 3.0 SuperSpeed and SATA 6G integrated. Too bad that PCIe 3.0 is not, apparently. It's almost out but I don't think they'll wait. Anyway, never get new tech at first, look at our board with the PCIe issue!
Windows 7 SP1 Beta is out on TechNet. Final should be out only next year. Same for Windows Server 2008 R2.
Also, nVidia drivers 258.96 WHQL. Haven't tried them yet though. Support fot Surround 3D.
Does anyone know if nVidia has dropped the stupid SLI detection for non supported (read paid royalty) boards in their drivers?
Guess ATI is looking better every day now. Couple of 5850s look sweet!
You can now download SP1 beta for 7 or 2008 R2 on MS page, right from the front page. MS is really serious about this, making 7 the best ever. Good to see, but I guess we won't be seeing it final till early next year or so.
Anyone still alive around here?
Everyone on vacation or you guys just dropped the cause?!
I guess even Intel completelly dropped further development.
DX58SO got a new BIOS with only a couple of fixes.
Also, nVidia updated PhysX also with a couple of bug fixes.
I've to admit that I changed to the Intel DP55KG Kingsberg in combination with a little Clarkdale-CPU (Pentium G6950).
Hi red
Nice board, proc might be a bit weak, specially the integrated graphics core.
Still, it should outperform the Core 2 arch anytime.
I'm kinda waiting for the X68 but it seems no PCIe 3.0 or USB 3.0 though, only SATA 6GBs. Maybe only in X78?!
nVidia has new 259.31 drivers hidden in their developer pages, but still not on the download page. It doesn't say if they're WHQL'ed, maybe that's what they're waiting for. Dated July.
Provides OpenGL 4.1 functionality, for Fermi.
Intel has LAN drivers v15.5 released for a while, why not make them available in the BT page?
Man, this guys are slow!! I guess 6 Series mobos won't be out this year, maybe they further enhance the chipsets to include USB 3.0 and PCIe 3.0, SATA 6G is already there. That would make X68 perfect.
Rumours have it that X68 will support 4 channel mem and octa-core CPUs to come. Doubt about the mem though, although the server version of the chipset probably will.
Intel's CPU (and GPU) roadmap for 2011 is out. Core i3, i5 and i7 series ix-2xxx, all wit integrate HD video, 32nm Sandy Bridge.
Also, mention to chipsets H61, H67, Q65, Q67, QS67, B65, P67 and mobile HM65, HM67, QM67 and QS67.
Hello:
Forgive me for what I assume is an elementary-type question. I have been encountering this annoying problem and I would appreciate
anyone's help in working around it. I have been building and updating several systems, including updating system bios, chipsets, etc, including several DX48BT2-based systems. Whenever I update an Intel X48-based chipset or any other Intel-based chipsets that contain an enhanced USB controller driver, as part of that specific chipset, if the system is using a USB-based keyboard or USB-based mouse, those specific devices freeze up/stop running. Unless the system is using a PS-2-based keyboard or a PS-2-based mouse, I have to do a "hard" shutdown, to restart the system and get the newer enhanced USB drivers installed. Of course, I hate doing this and wince every time I do the "hard" shutdown. So far, I have been lucky and the systems have always come back up, with the new enhanced USB drivers installed. However, I would love to know how I could update the enhanced USB drivers, without having to perform a "hard" shutdown of the system. Moreover, most of these systems do not have a PS-2 port; therefore, using an older, PS-2-based mouse or a PS-2-based keyboard is not an option, unfortunately. What is the proper procedure for updating the enhanced USB drivers, via the Intel “Have Disk” method, whereby, I can get around the USB-based keyboard and USB-based mouse freeze up issue? Any information would be wonderful.
Thank you.
In before the archive :)
Hey Manel,
Yes, I still drop by, but far less frequently in this thread as I've not seen a new BIOS or driver release in some time. But my board is still going strong and I'll likely continue to enjoy it's performance for my needs until the successor to Windows 7 when I'll need a hardware refresh with the OS upgrade :)
Hi HT
We almost reached the 100 page mark, quite a feat.
Mine is still rocking too. To bad nothing new for a while, even the LAN drivers (which last time I checked were already v15.5) haven't seen an updated download on the page.
I won't even mention the audio drivers, I must say this has been a fail from Intel.
BIOS development is also dead as far as we can tell, right?
I guess they must be very busy with the new 6 series to come, to be able to loose some time with "old" boards.
Windows 8 has been in development for a while, even before 7 was out there were some leaked shots with new features (re-installation, repair...), guess it will be out in 2012 or so.
By then it's sure time to upgrade, maybe i7-2900 and X68 or even X78, who knows.
Voltron
Can't say I have had that problem, haven't updated INF drivers in a while (I presume that's what you're referring to).
I must confess that for me PS2 should be dead already, for a long time. As for all legacy standards for that matter. A major overhaul in hardware and software is in order in my opinion. Only the big guys don't have the balls to do it, since compatibility is at stake.
We're still suffering from the old PC architecture, with all those issues in mem allocation for legacy staff that make no sense anymore. That's where the Mac shines I guess. They even have UEFI for ages while we're still stuck with the old arcaic BIOS. Intel did their part there and some others tried but what a wash-out. Well, I guess I digress.
Regarding the USB issue, have you tried installing in safe mode? Or maybe you can schedule a restart for a couple of minutes after the installation, which is also not a nice way to do it, but maybe better than hard restart.
What if you disconnect the mouse and re-insert it again after the update? Does it work? Maybe in a different port, if you update each controller at a time, and insert in a port that's not hanging from the updated controller. Just a thought, maybe it's stupid but who knows.
Hello, Manel:
Thank you for your input. I was also thinking of installing within safe mode. I haven't tried this, yet; but, I plan on it the next time I encounter a system that needs its INF files updated, particularly the enhanced USB drivers. I tried unplugging and re-plugging the disabled USB keyboard and mouse, without success. I know the devices have been disabled, as the lights go out on them. But, re-plugging them does not bring them back. I have not, however, attempted to plug them into a different USB port. I have been hesitant on that, not wanting to get orphaned devices in device manager; however, this may be another way to go, as a "hard" shutdown is not a fun thing to do. Scheduling a restart is something to think about, too; so, thank you for that suggestion. While I know what you are saying about legacy technology (PS2, floppy drives, etc.), it was nice to update the enhanced USB drivers on one system, without disabling the keyboard, simply because it was a PS2 and not a USB keyboard. :) In particular instances, that old technology still serves us well; although, when it gets in the way of good progress, it does hurt.
If anyone else has other suggestions, they are greatly appreciated. Thank you, Manel and thanks to everyone else.
Hey Voltron
Glad to know that some of it might be usefull.
The different port sugestion was because every chipset has a number of different USB controllers within itself and each has a few ports. If you update individually each controller the others might work still, although I'm not too sure about this, since maybe only one driver is used for all of them and that might affect them all.
Yes, I'm kinda alergic to legacy but I know sometimes they save our butt!!
Good luck with the next update.
DX58SO BIOS 5456 updates RAID option ROM to v9.6.0.1014 finally, what about our board?
nVidia 260.63 Beta drivers available. New 260 series with lots of changes with the install procedure.
http://nvidia.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/n...p?p_faqid=2765
Cool!! That was in need of a revamping for a long time.
Internet Explorer 9 Beta available today.
Also, Win 7 SP1 Beta.
MS is working hard to keep alive and ahead.
From Intel a new Extreme Series board, the DP67BG Burrage shown at IDF. Still PCIe 2.0, no USB 3.0 (as predicted) integrated onto P67 but with the help of a NEC/Renesas controller. Fail!! I guess no 6 series for me, if X68 goes the same route.
AMD (sounds funny not saying ATI anymore) released 10.9 Catalyst.
nVidia has great SLI scalling with the new GTS450.
Let's see what performance improvements we get with the new 260 series, were supposed to be released the finals a couple of days ago, but still no show.
Hello manel.
Thank you for your replies in this post.
You always keep this thread active.
Intel does not maintain this activity with BoneTrail board's news :mad:
Best regards.
Hi BT
I keep visiting our boards download page but to no avail. Not a single update in months, shame on you Intel.
There are at least newer LAN drivers but they haven't updated still.
Not to mention audio drivers that have been completelly forgotten, most recent version is almost 1 1/2 years old. Not even Windows 7 compatible.
Even SmackOver, with Realtek codec, has regular updates.
Hi all,
My account has been approved and I can now post here. While waiting for approval and in the meantime, I replaced the X-38 bonetrail in my wife's machine that I snagged used off e-bay for 102 bucks with my old Asus Maximus formula X-38. I practically stole a Foxconn Blackops x-48 from computer geeks so I gave her my maximus. The x-38 Bonetrail came with an E8200 Wolfdale so I don't feel so bad about what I suspect to be a bad ram channel (channel B) that manifested itself first upon boot-up. I removed channel B stick and it booted right up. I swapped the stick from channel b to a and it booted. It will not boot with any ram in channel B. I place either stick in either slot of channel A and it boots. I can place both sticks in channel A at the same time and it boots but it tells me I'm not running the ram in the best possible mode. Is this a common problem with this board to have a bad ram channel? There is only 1 set of DDR3 ram in the house to test with for now. It is a set of G-skill Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-4GBNQ. Is this memory compatible with this board or does it cause the problem I described? I may have use for the board in the future so solving the memory channel B problem would be nice. Currently the board is on the shelf waiting for some TLC.
Thanks,
Paul.
Hey Paul, welcome.
First thing I noticed in your sig was the QX9750 ES. Man, that wasn't out, was it? QX9650@3GHz was the last of the Mohicans, apart from the 1600MHz QX9770 and QX9775. Lucky you. I see you only get ESs :-)
Too bad you ditched your BT, still I understand why.
It seems it has a broken channel in fact. Did you try both sockets for channel B? They both produce errors?
This board used to be very picky with mem, with BIOS updates it's much better, but still... it's got the personality of a woman!! Not that it's bad, don't take me wrong!
There used to be a mem compatibility page t the upport site, here it is: http://www.intel.com/support/motherb.../CS-028330.htm
Doesn't help much, old info and no mention to G Skill, sorry
The mem shouldn't be a problem I'd say, sinc it runs fine in channel A, maybe channel B really is dead. Does it even boot? Or it halts on bootup wit an error?
I guess nVidia must have had problems with their brand new 260 series drivers.
They should have been out 2 weeks ago and still no show.
260.63 are still beta for now, funny they had no driver to go with the GTS450, apart fro the beta of course, if you trust those.
Maybe the new installer, which they have been working on for years now, was not up to the task after all. It's a shame, it looks much better than the old InstallShield, very customizable.
Ya the QX9750 was never released to the public and I'm not sure why. Maybe they were too finicky to be binned that high in quantities high enough to support the demand. Engineering samples are from lots that had some experimental change in the manufacturing process is my understanding. They still work good, but they are not able to be sold because they aren't from the "standard" process. There are a few thousand of X9750's out there though because rather than let them rot, Intel gives them out to their employees. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Manel
As for the ram channel, I tried every combo in channel B I can think of. With any ram at all in any channel B slot the board just sits there and turns itself on and off. No beeps. I haven't given up on the board, I just found a deal I couldn't refuse on this foxconn blackops (89 dollars) and my maximus has both channels of DDR2 working so I used it in my wife's machine. She ran with the bonetrail for a couple of weeks tho running 4 gigs in single channel and it was rock stable. The upper HD5770 video card ran a little warm tho due to the tight slot arrangement for double width cards from the 2 PCIE x-16 slots. I cheated the slop in the screw holes to create as much of a gap as I could and ran manual fan control on the upper card at 70% so it stayed pretty cool.
I like the board and was reading this thread long before I won the auction on e-bay for it so I knew who you were. I read many of your posts including your very first one. I would love the chance to tweak that board but need to solve the ram issue first. I do need to pick up a different set of ram for my 775 based media P.C. that I'm in the process of collecting parts for so I'll have a chance to find another compatible set to test with. The problem is that I want the new ram to be 1800 or 2000 because it will be going into this blackops and the 1366 ram in here will be in media P.C. I need to go mATX with the case tho so no bonetrail there in the media PC. The E8200 wolfdale that came with the bonetrail will be executing the instructions so even if the bonetrail has a toasted channel, the purchase wasn't a total waste.
I will check out the list of memory that works and hopefully find something in the list that fits the bill and will work for both testing the bonetrail and overclocking the crap outta this blackops and QX9750. Thanks again for the response!
Paul.
Hello.
Intel Bonetrail RAID Marvell Driver 1.2.0.7105 available...
I wait more news about our boards.
Best regards.
BT, beat me to it :-)
Finally, something new. Although this is Marvell's driver, still it shows that Intel isn't (completelly) sleeping!!
Paul
ESs used to be higher binned chips in the past, now like you say they're test samples I believe. They give them out for reviews and internal personnel I guess.
That must one hell of a crunching monster still. Don't know about TDP though, maybe it still fits the normal envelop.
By now, with the latest BIOS, you should hardly go wrong with any mem brand and model. I had problems with my OCZ kit at first but not anymore. Corsair should be fine as well. I guess anything with Micron or Elpida chips will do just fine.
Maybe you can test the mem before you buy. Not very usual here though.
Wow, Intel released INF 9.1.2.1008
Manel,
It's been a while since I posted. I changed my hardware, yet again. I think it's time to add the x58 officially to this thread. Rename it the ** Official ** Intel DX38BT, DX48BT2 & DX58SO Extreme Thread. I don't think I would hold my breath on an x68. I don't think it's in the cards yet. Intel is focusing on the 1156 systems as they cost less. I think adding the x58 discussions would be a great way to extend and keep this forum alive.
djs
I completelly agree with you, and great rig you got there by the way.
The DX58SO now has more focus so it's a good idea.
Regarding new chipsets/boards I wouldn't be so sure. The P67 was already shown by Intel in the form of DP67BG Burrage at IDF, guess the X68 should be ready next year if all goes well.
Most manufacturers already have 1155 P67 boards ready, so the rest should be coming up.
I'm all for the adding DX58SO!!!!!
Manel,
1. Can't tell you how I know, but there is currently no x68 on the roadmap ;-}
2. Be very careful with the 5456 bios upgrade for the DX58SO, it bricked my RAID. I was lucky enough to roll back and recover. RAID Drives showed as FAILED. Has anyone else seen this?
It could be named Intel Extreme Boads or something, and would cover all Intel Extreme series. Not sure if Intel will continue with the Exteme line though.
djs
Well, maybe you got internal info that it was scrapped but it has surfaced some time ago, the so far known specs for X68. I have a roadmap with it even.
Mmaybe the 5456 issue is due to, if I recall correctly, the new RAID BIOS option ROM.
Not using any raid and haven't updated to the 5456 bios but there is this post
http://communities.intel.com/message/103584#103584
seems to be an issue. As far as re-naming, wouldn't gtj have to do that? And he hasn't posted in years....
It seems I was correct regarding the cause. Just to think that I was kinda sad they didn't update our BIOS with it!
Yes, I guess renaming will have to be done by gtj, where are you?
To all DX58SO users,
I have forwarded the info to Intel. I'll let you what happens. For now I would be careful with the choice to upgrade the bios. If you do, make sure you have an old copy on USB or CDROM or know how to initiate a bios recovery.
Don't expect any answer from them, I guess.
Maybe they'll release a new version to correct this, if they're not too busy.
It seems someone listened to my request. 2011 will be the year of bye bye BIOS for good, news has it that from next year on UEFI will be almost mandatory for everyone, finally.
Say goodbye to long boots and work is being done to an almost instant boot with UEFI. About time I'd say.
Also, after it seems good ol' Intel does provide support for USB 3.0 SuperSpeed in their 6 series chipsets, although they don't spell it out just yet. Also, SATA 6Gbps it seems. It's not being left behind after all, they just didn't want to give USB 3.0 a go if they didn't need to. I guess LightPeak is not ready for mass yet so they have to go with the trend.
Still regarding UEFI, seems Windows 8, or Windows.Next as it might be called, will require UEFI, no more BIOS support, not sure though. I guess this time even MS is serious about it. So, in a year time, or maybe only bginning of 2012, we'll have a whole new, completelly revamped, version of Window, with lot of new stuff, facial recognition for logon and a lot more.
I wonder what happened to 260 nVidia series drivers, anyone knows? They must have bumped into something. Should have been out almost a month ago.
Done any overclocking on that board djs?
Rouge,
A little, I was more concerned when I had the 48BT2. This machine is plenty fast enough. IDC bumped it a little. Once I got it stable I left it. I may try it again. Have you done anything with yours?
Ya I've got my 940 up to 3.8ghz. (181x21)
1.3 vcore
1.25 on both the qpi and the ioh
I ran a couple hours prime, and it's been good ever since, crunching, BFBC2.
I think this weekend I will try a 12 hour run at prime for the heck of it.
4.0 dosent seem doable at the moment, need better cooling. I can boot into windows but prime fails within minutes.
It's plenty fast enough so I havn't been working at it like I did with my 975xbx2/q6600 go.
I wanted the bt2, but I ended up getting this board for $150.00 so I went for it.
I'm on the 5614 bios and it works good for me, I don't sleep the board so the lan issue isn't a problem.
I was going to go to the 5456 as I dont have any raid but hey this is working nice so why bother.