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03-15-2006, 08:30 PM
ben805

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Originally Posted by MikalCarbine

Thank you for saying that, I was hoping someone would give some information around that. After booting into windows and getting so many BSODs I figured it was the drive str, but memtest told me otherwise, have you ever tried the custom PCMark drive str test from Eva?

I only use memtest as a pretest tool, getting them to run spi, 3d, occt, or prime is another story.
03-15-2006, 08:49 PM
ozzimark

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Originally Posted by MikalCarbine

http://i4memory.com/showthread.php?t=474

I've used it in the past, it helped slightly with my Ballistix, but in our case, something like this could be key for finding in windows data and drive strengths

thanks, i'll look into it.. probably tomorrow though. for some reason my stomach is feeling quite bleh right now :confused2

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Originally Posted by ben805

damn....I thought I was the only one who needed 2.92v to get this shiit stable at around 275~280. but looks like both Mikal and Tibu also have the same experience....I hope this stuff will last man, that's a lot of vdimm for such low memclock. I would also suggest you guys to bump up your vcore one more notch as well, high vdimm + low vcore = bad!!

er, raise vcore for 2.9v? unless you normally run in the 1.1-1.2v range, this seems a bit extreme to me. :p:

though.. i guess if you keep it cool, let's hope it holds up. not toooo much higher than jedec specs, though it's also a 95nm ic, so.. :stick:
03-15-2006, 08:54 PM
Tibu

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...u/settings.jpg

I have one of those Zalman Fan Brackets with a 92mm high speed fan right over the sticks.
03-15-2006, 09:00 PM
s7e9h3n

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Originally Posted by Tibu

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...u/settings.jpg

I have one of those Zalman Fan Brackets with a 92mm high speed fan right over the sticks.

Looks like someone should be hunting for a new PSU soon ;)
03-15-2006, 09:03 PM
Tibu

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Originally Posted by s7e9h3n

Looks like someone should be hunting for a new PSU soon ;)

As soon as I sell my G.skill HX 2GB set... As soon as I sell em :slap:
03-15-2006, 09:24 PM
ben805

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Originally Posted by ozzimark

thanks, i'll look into it.. probably tomorrow though. for some reason my stomach is feeling quite bleh right now :confused2

er, raise vcore for 2.9v? unless you normally run in the 1.1-1.2v range, this seems a bit extreme to me. :p:

though.. i guess if you keep it cool, let's hope it holds up. not toooo much higher than jedec specs, though it's also a 95nm ic, so.. :stick:

no, our cronus needed 2.9v to maintain stability at 275~280mhz memclock. As for vcore, normally if mine takes 1.40 to prime stable, I would bump it up to 1.425v or 1.45v, according to BigToe this will help strengthen the memory controller, if you run high vdimm with low vcore you might end up frying the mem controller. Do a search as this topic has been covered countless time!!
03-15-2006, 09:26 PM
[cTx]Philosophy

My cronus arrived today FINALLY..
BAD news is that I guess i was in the shower or doing $tuff with the wife when he came because he left a little ticket here saying be back tomorrow :(
03-15-2006, 09:31 PM
ben805

guess you don't get to play with new toys tonight....that's a bummer :D the Gskill HZ price has been dropping like crazy, at newegg now it's only $144/pair after rebate so I'll order some just incase these cronus died!!
03-15-2006, 09:35 PM
s7e9h3n

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Originally Posted by Philosophy

My cronus arrived today FINALLY..
BAD news is that I guess i was in the shower or doing $tuff with the wife when he came because he left a little ticket here saying be back tomorrow :(

LOL....I dunno where my head is but I read that as " i was in the shower doing $tuff with the wife"
03-15-2006, 09:43 PM
ben805

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Originally Posted by s7e9h3n

LOL....I dunno where my head is but I read that as " i was in the shower doing $tuff with the wife"

bad steve!! :D :D don't think he would share that sort of information with da overclockars :lol:
03-15-2006, 09:43 PM
Coroner Kyle

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Originally Posted by s7e9h3n

LOL....I dunno where my head is but I read that as " i was in the shower doing $tuff with the wife"

Stop you're killing me first the no more cpu's for me and now this...roflmao :p:
03-16-2006, 05:17 AM
MikalCarbine

I can't seem to get 280 stable in windows (running memtest while I'm here at school and work)

275 was fine, at ~2.75v?(<- no clue with this expert), I still need more time to tweak though. I tried 5/3 and 7/3 with loosened timings up to 2.92v? and still had BSODs or errors, corrupted my windows registry too ;)

I am thinking of swapping back to my Ultra-D just so I can have a solid mindset of what my voltage actually is and find the max of these puppies.
03-16-2006, 05:24 AM
ben805

yours is almost identical to mine then :lol: can memtest 280 all night long without any error, but can't spi32m on windows, vdimm higher than 2.92v is pretty much useless as they do not scale any better once they hit the wall. For more stability, try DQS Skew mode: Decrease, DQS skew: 200, ICL: 256, and set both MAL/RP to auto.
03-16-2006, 05:29 AM
ozzimark

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Originally Posted by ben805

according to BigToe this will help strengthen the memory controller, if you run high vdimm with low vcore you might end up frying the mem controller. Do a search as this topic has been covered countless time!!

yeah, i'm quite aware of this topic, and have participated in it a few times, but i was under the impression that 2.9v isn't gonna do anything to a cpu running at 1.4v.. i mean the voltage difference between vref and vcore is only .05v... ;)

mikal, try lower data drive :toast:
03-16-2006, 07:48 AM
Onepagebook

Quote:

Originally Posted by ben805

damn....I thought I was the only one who needed 2.92v to get this shiit stable at around 275~280. but looks like both Mikal and Tibu also have the same experience....I hope this stuff will last man, that's a lot of vdimm for such low memclock. I would also suggest you guys to bump up your vcore one more notch as well, high vdimm + low vcore = bad!!

Is your PSU 3.3v rail greater than 3.35v when loaded?
**BTW, don't pop your LDT and chipset volt that high, just keep the default.;)

When try Venus or Expert, just find the proper DDS for Auto first, but NOT DS for Auto.
03-16-2006, 07:53 AM
ben805

when measured with DMM the 3.3v is rock solid and didn't noticed any fluctuation, same as 12v and 5v. Ok...I'll leave the LDT and chipset at default :D :D
03-16-2006, 07:56 AM
MikalCarbine

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Originally Posted by Onepagebook

Is your PSU 3.3v rail greater than 3.35v when loaded?
**BTW, don't pop your LDT and chipset volt that high, just keep the default.;)

When try Venus or Expert, just find the proper DDS for Auto first, but NOT DS for Auto.

My 3.3v rail is at 3.3 on the dime, would you recommend raising it a tad? Perhaps 3.36? Whatever I set it to it will not fluctuate, even +/- .01 :P

So for the expert find the Data Drive Strength first, then Drive Strength? or Leave DDS at Auto and find DS
03-16-2006, 08:04 AM
Onepagebook

DDS as auto first then find the DS first
on my situation is set both auto first and get into the windows and see what your ram strength ---->
see normal or weak, then you have better idea what 's the characteristic of your ram,
that would shrink the hassle when you set your DS..
when you have normal, start from 2 on venus,6 on tradition expert and Ultra-D;
phase change also but still wanna try 4 on venus; 8 on expert and Ultra-D

when you have weak, :
Venus start from 1 then 3 (after you try 1 is stable enough)
expert and ultra-D: start as 5 then 7

DO not use memtest in DOS, that just not relible

Always start DS first and fix the other secondary parameters once a time, don't just copy my template.:D, that only for your reference.:toast:
03-16-2006, 08:10 AM
AlterBridge86

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Originally Posted by s7e9h3n

LOL....I dunno where my head is but I read that as " i was in the shower doing $tuff with the wife"

hahaha - i read it the same way Steve - LOL

not to go off topic - but i picked up 2 pairs of the new OCZ's with micron IC's - i'll post my results in another thread - i'm hoping they do as well as these Team Groups :)

Great results all :toast:
03-16-2006, 08:15 AM
MikalCarbine

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Originally Posted by Onepagebook

DDS as auto first then find the DS first
on my situation is set both auto first and get into the windows and see what your ram strength ---->
see normal or weak, then you have better idea what 's the characteristic of your ram,
that would shrink the hassle when you set your DS..
when you have normal, start from 2 on venus,6 on tradition expert and Ultra-D;
phase change also but still wanna try 4 on venus; 8 on expert and Ultra-D

when you have weak, :
Venus start from 1 then 3 (after you try 1 is stable enough)
expert and ultra-D: start as 5 then 7

DO not use memtest in DOS, that just not relible

Always start DS first and fix the other secondary parameters once a time, don't just copy my template.:D, that only for your reference.:toast:

Sounds good, I can't wait to get home and play :P
03-16-2006, 11:37 AM
Onepagebook

I am pretty sure the Micron chip doesn't like "normal "strength too well. so you guys can try from :
Venus: 3/auto or 1/3 even 1/auto

expert and ultra-D: 5/3, 5/2 , or even 7/3~7/auto
03-16-2006, 11:44 AM
SunTzu69

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Originally Posted by AlterBridge86

hahaha - i read it the same way Steve - LOL

not to go off topic - but i picked up 2 pairs of the new OCZ's with micron IC's - i'll post my results in another thread - i'm hoping they do as well as these Team Groups :)

Great results all :toast:

I will post in your thread. I have the new OCZ 2GB set running memtest86 as we speak. Hopefully we can compare and get some more certainty as to what the potential is and how to get the most out of them.

Best of luck
03-16-2006, 12:06 PM
leo5111

just wanted to double check is this the ram???? http://www.tankguys.biz/team-xtreem-...a774b87bc37eab....... good work by the way very informative....:toast:
03-16-2006, 12:12 PM
MikalCarbine

Ya that's the stuff

OPB, normaly they do not like normal strength, but I have seen some users get some pretty high clocks with normal
03-16-2006, 12:34 PM
ben805

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onepagebook

DDS as auto first then find the DS first
on my situation is set both auto first and get into the windows and see what your ram strength ---->
see normal or weak, then you have better idea what 's the characteristic of your ram,
that would shrink the hassle when you set your DS..
when you have normal, start from 2 on venus,6 on tradition expert and Ultra-D;
phase change also but still wanna try 4 on venus; 8 on expert and Ultra-D

when you have weak, :
Venus start from 1 then 3 (after you try 1 is stable enough)
expert and ultra-D: start as 5 then 7

DO not use memtest in DOS, that just not relible

Always start DS first and fix the other secondary parameters once a time, don't just copy my template.:D, that only for your reference.:toast:

EXCELLENT ADVICE.....as usualy :toast:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onepagebook

I am pretty sure the Micron chip doesn't like "normal "strength too well. so you guys can try from :
Venus: 3/auto or 1/3 even 1/auto

expert and ultra-D: 5/3, 5/2 , or even 7/3~7/auto

yup, none of the normal work on mine, these micron seems to hate them :D

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