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12-17-2008, 04:25 AM
QuietIce

While I probably won't be able to buy one of these little beauties for awhile I am very impatient to see results from retail chips in February.

In the mean time, it's nice to know what can and can't be done by the "experts". :)

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Originally Posted by informal

Hey people, overclockworkbench seems to just broke the NDA(if they ever signed one that is),and tested Phenom II 940 vs QX9770 vs Core i7 940:
http://my.ocworkbench.com/2008/asroc..._X4-info-1.htm

Site is opening slow atm,but Phenom II results seem pretty good.

I'd say those are VERY good results considering the price of the Intel systems. :up:

I was a little disappointed with their OC, though. Seems the clock could have been pushed at least a little - like 18x 211. Good DDR2-1066 RAM can go 562 MHz without a problem.

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Originally Posted by lo squartatore

[B]why have you used the ACC whit default frequency ???
AND WHY all 4 cores are same ????????

Because he's testing lowest stable vCore at stock speeds ...??? :doh:
12-17-2008, 04:53 AM
noki

In that review phenom II 940 3.0Ghz is very near of Qx9770 3.2Ghz...even running at -200mhz. Looks good..waiting for more reviews to compare.
12-17-2008, 05:14 AM
Astennu

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Originally Posted by noki

In that review phenom II 940 3.0Ghz is very near of Qx9770 3.2Ghz...even running at -200mhz. Looks good..waiting for more reviews to compare.

In some tests. But The HD4850 is to slow. They sould try a HD4870 / X2 or a GTX280.

When there are crunching tests the Intel CPU's are way faster. Just as i feared. Integer performance of the K10,5 is as bad as that of the K10 and K8. AMD did not upgrade that for a wile. And now that the i7 has all the good things like on die MC and a fast bus. AMD i lost again.

PHII realy stands against the 45nm Penryn cpu's. I hope there next cpu (bulldozer ??) will be on par with the refresh of Nehalem. (Sandy Bridge ??)
12-17-2008, 05:17 AM
SoF

:woot: I just picked up 14kg DICE - unfortunatly I have a business trip the entire day tomorrow but still I have this afternoon/evening to go for some cold :D
12-17-2008, 05:21 AM
informal

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Originally Posted by Astennu

In some tests. But The HD4850 is to slow. They sould try a HD4870 / X2 or a GTX280.

When there are crunching tests the Intel CPU's are way faster. Just as i feared. Integer performance of the K10,5 is as bad as that of the K10 and K8. AMD did not upgrade that for a wile. And now that the i7 has all the good things like on die MC and a fast bus. AMD i lost again.

PHII realy stands against the 45nm Penryn cpu's. I hope there next cpu (bulldozer ??) will be on par with the refresh of Nehalem. (Sandy Bridge ??)

You judge integer perf. by Sisoft sandra?
12-17-2008, 05:22 AM
noki

Common Soft..show us what can do that little beast!!

Remember that Q9770 is the most expensive cpu you can find...so the phenom II price-performace is going to be very very good.
12-17-2008, 05:27 AM
Motiv

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Originally Posted by ajaidev

Pls see all the results before u use ur yapper :yepp:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1229487456

That is 3871 that is above 3.8Ghz

and the other 3 cores?
12-17-2008, 05:30 AM
ajaidev

The reviewer cheated lol he used the i7 940 @ 3ghz so that was clock to clock comparison to the PhII they should have used a i7 920 which is rite now a bit more expensive than the PhII 940 but i think that might change.

For the people who now like to do their trans coding on the GPU's rather than CPU's this is a better deal than the i7 setup...!!!

Motiv the guy said you can not overclock the PhII @ 3.8 with all 4 cores at 1.4v and the pic shows it can also the review shows its the sweet spot for this CPU.

As you mayrecall the sweet spot for the ii7 920 was 3.6Ghz with a ULTRA 120 dont know which cooler did the reviewer use?? anyone knows??
12-17-2008, 05:36 AM
ajaidev

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Originally Posted by Astennu

In some tests. But The HD4850 is to slow. They sould try a HD4870 / X2 or a GTX280.

When there are crunching tests the Intel CPU's are way faster. Just as i feared. Integer performance of the K10,5 is as bad as that of the K10 and K8. AMD did not upgrade that for a wile. And now that the i7 has all the good things like on die MC and a fast bus. AMD i lost again.

PHII realy stands against the 45nm Penryn cpu's. I hope there next cpu (bulldozer ??) will be on par with the refresh of Nehalem. (Sandy Bridge ??)

For crunching it stands even below the Penryn in some cases but how many of us do you think regularly have to crunching data. On the other hand people who buy such CPU's do game a lot and that is where the improvements made to the core seem quite good.

Would you rather spend money on an i7 that performs almost same as a cheaper PhII does??? Plus on top the added cost of M/b etc
12-17-2008, 05:50 AM
AbelJemka

http://www.jmax-hardware.com/news/te...nom-2-940.html
Score are very low compared to score from Jmax.
11500 cpu score Vantage at 3.8 versus 13200 obtained by Jmax at 4GHz.
12-17-2008, 06:04 AM
informal

Jmax 4Ghz score in 3dmark06 is a tad lower,it should be around 5400-5600pts.Maybe it's because all the tests we have seen used very low Northbridge/L3 clock of 1.8Ghz(not to be confused with HyperTransport clock which runs at default 1.8Ghz and doesn't affect phenom(II) performance that much).
12-17-2008, 07:17 AM
charged3800z24

Well, when I see results with actual 1066ram and with the right timings, then I will settle with the results. this 800mhz ram and 5.7.7.21 34 or what ever, is not normal LOL.
12-17-2008, 07:23 AM
Ghostbuster

I think all of their systems (both AMD and Intel) at OCW are sub-optimal.. The 3DVantage scores tells that, the Core i7 940 is a monster in that one (for CPU score, like this one here)... Weird scores.. :shrug:
12-17-2008, 07:30 AM
informal

Yeah i just saw some of their previous tests,weird stuff indeed :).
I guess OCWB might as well put a tutorial "How to make a rig underperform on various desktop apps" and make it a sticky at their home page :D.It should contain all the BIOS,OS and driver settings needed to make your rig much slower than it should be :D.Icing on the cake could be a mini tournament in which user could compete for the lowest legit score(no AV scans in the background allowed! :p:).
Sorry for the joke,it was too good to pass :D.
12-17-2008, 07:58 AM
Astennu

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Originally Posted by informal

You judge integer perf. by Sisoft sandra?

Nope i dont like that kind of bensh marks. More like encoding and RTS games.

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Originally Posted by ajaidev

For crunching it stands even below the Penryn in some cases but how many of us do you think regularly have to crunching data. On the other hand people who buy such CPU's do game a lot and that is where the improvements made to the core seem quite good.

Would you rather spend money on an i7 that performs almost same as a cheaper PhII does??? Plus on top the added cost of M/b etc

True. Well i'm folding if my pc is on so it would get me a higher score :P
But the most important thing for me is performance in games and the power it uses when running 100% load. (performance per watt in gaming)

Cant wait to test one myself.
12-17-2008, 08:09 AM
Macadamia

This is madness!
12-17-2008, 08:21 AM
LC_Nab

Madness your say !! THIS IS XSTA !!!!!!
12-17-2008, 08:23 AM
Jazzman

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Originally Posted by Macadamia

This is madness!

Edvard Munch was an AMD enthusiast !

http://i43.tinypic.com/2pqj2w3.jpg
12-17-2008, 08:27 AM
crazydiamond

these kids just saw ocw

http://lolabrigada.files.wordpress.c...z_at_pc_sm.jpg
12-17-2008, 08:43 AM
Jazzman

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Originally Posted by Astennu

....But the most important thing for me is performance in games and the power it uses when running 100% load. (performance per watt in gaming).

Some early Phenom II testers/players are concluding that Phenom II plus the dragon platform is better for gaming than i7. That i7 is superior for number crunching and multi-threaded apps. From what I gather, the ability to jump the NB to 2400-2700 gives the Phenom II the edge plus the high overclocks at relatively low temps. (My sense is that you will need a very highend video card to reach these lofty heights.)

Maybe tomorrow we will have more data to support or disprove these early conclusions.
12-17-2008, 08:57 AM
Eternalightwith

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Originally Posted by iocedmyself

3855mhz 18 sec SuperPi 1mb

But the more impressive (to me at least) would be the 3ghz clocks on 1.0875v

Not sure why 3dmark vantage results is showing it as 3ghz, was run at 3.6

OMG :shock2::eek2: That's :banana:ing amazing1 :bounce::bows:
12-17-2008, 09:08 AM
Adonay

Very interesting cant wait too see more :-D
12-17-2008, 09:13 AM
LowRun

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Originally Posted by noki

But Soft, do you know when the dna is going off??
lo squartatore, intel forum is under this one, I'm sure that there you'll be like at home .

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Originally Posted by noki

Common Soft..show us what can do that little beast!!

Remember that Q9770 is the most expensive cpu you can find...so the phenom II price-performace is going to be very very good.

Dude, it's SoF, not Soft ;)
12-17-2008, 10:07 AM
SoF

here we go :D 5 gig on DICE done but can't do 1m yet http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...4&postcount=59 - think highest was 4925 until now.

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