complaining about a couple of watts...
you probably have a vid card eating about 200W,so 10W orso extra on the cpu won't matter much
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complaining about a couple of watts...
you probably have a vid card eating about 200W,so 10W orso extra on the cpu won't matter much
QFT:up:Quote:
Originally Posted by GoThr3k
I´m sure GPU makers said the same thing when we had netburst, just the other way around.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoThr3k
what if i had 45W 2600XT, then the 10+W extra would had made difference in system power consumption.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoThr3k
but it´s not big deal, im just saying amd is fond of their efficiency, especially in idle or under semi load, which make sense, you dont stress cpu all the time. they often argument it as an advantage over intel and now new architecture 2.4+GHZ DC CPU´s are going to draw more than 65W.
i expected opposite direction but wont mind it if its a tradeoff for cracking performance. wonder if nortbridge running at higher clocks/voltages than cores has to do anything with it.
I wouldnt consider any info on Phenom that does not come from AMD all that reliable. I'd also like to remind you that AMD does not calculate TDP the same way Intel does.
Sun is apparently hoping AMD can manage to deliver 2GHz Barcelona parts:
http://www.investorshub.com/boards/r...ge_id=20775273
Latest hint at Barcelona clock speed range
http://www.wired.com/science/discove..._supercomputer
"Sun Microsystems announced today that its hardware will power the largest supercomputer ever built, weighing in with 62,976 CPU cores, 125 terabytes of memory, 1.7 petabytes of disk space, and 504 teraflops of performance."
At 4 DP FLOPs per clock cycle 504 TFLOP/s from 62,976 K10
cores works out to the remarkably round number of 2.0 GHz.
dont forget the tdp from amd is the MAX wattageQuote:
Originally Posted by dexman
what is a pc mostly doing? idling
in idle a K8 currently is even more efficient then a C2D
K10 kan lower voltage per core,lower the memory controller voltage, it will be more efficient in idle then any C2D if you ask me, i little higher max TDP or not
and when i look at the name of this forum, extremesystems,i dont think a lot of people will have a 2600XT here, but you are right offcourse
with such low power consuming cards,you have a little differenct picture
Oh hey, here is some info.
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=40606
Its theinq, but if its true. Then it spells out major problems making their "native" core. price is high, performance seems low and wattage is way way up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Periander6
I'm not sure it's a good idea to post those kind of informations from inquirer.
high price, low frequency, high tdp alot to discuss if the informations was from a trusted source...
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Originally Posted by Periander6
http://www.tf.uni-kiel.de/matwis/ama...acl_gitter.gif
I don't know why you guys are complaining about prices of Barcelona series 2xxx. Probably you are comparing it with Single Socket C2Q or Single Socket Opteron?? I hoped everyone knows that for 2-way or 8-way CPUs you paying EXTRA!
BTW. For me launch price of slowest Barcelona is very good (low). Let me ask for comparison what was initial price for slowest C2D on launch (dual core)??
Well it's from Mike, not Charlie so I would actually regard it as more reliable than the usual crap from the Inq. Reliable at least in terms of the Sept 10 date and the speeds (1.9 and 2.0) to be introduced at that point as I suspect that is based on what they already have from a current stepping. The rest likely depends on an upcoming stepping and likely the product of more hope than certainty.Quote:
Originally Posted by nemrod
To be fair we're talking about DP and MP parts here, so the pricing is not that far out of line, really. Dunno about those TDPs though, not good if true.
right.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
Since you know how K10 performs :rolleyes: :rofl: :ROTF:
and wattage seems good...
don't forget its quadcore you are talking about.....
95W 1.9Ghz K10, or 120W 2.4-2.5Ghz?Quote:
Originally Posted by GoThr3k
Or get a 50W 2Ghz Xeon? Or 3Ghz 120W?
Unlike you, I dont expect K10 to be the reincarnation of god on earth.
But seems we have to wait a few months yet for the final results.
unlike you i dont think it will be a piece of :banana::banana::banana::banana: .....Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
do you really think a 2GHz clovertown beats a 1.9ghz K10?
well i would bet on the K10
You're right, it's not so much, if we look on X2, the best lauch price was 537$Quote:
Originally Posted by Lightman
I believe this is about the same price. I would bet this is about the same performanceQuote:
Originally Posted by GoThr3k
Doesn't exist (1.86 GHz)Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
no telling really. You have to take into account the server chips costing more, clocks are... meh. I wonder how it will perform. The PRICE is what I use to measure performance at this part of the game.
Perhaps compare to projected Q6600 prices?
Ryan
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=7676
You should compare not the Q6600 but the Xeons to the recent INQ report.
Kevin Knox (vice president of AMD's commercial business)
Where do things currently stand with Barcelona? We're still on target for a midyear launch with Barcelona. We're actually pretty excited about the product, particularly with respect to some of the features that we're going to enable. When we started out with Barcelona, it had a certain feature set. From the time we started out, from the design perspective, the aspects we're going to address, things like virtualization and power, have become more important to the industry. We think its going to have a bigger impact than we originally anticipated.
http://www.computerworld.com/action/...ntsrc=hm_topic
Translated:Quote:
Originally Posted by PetNorth
Our K10 will use less power idle and perform better in a virtualized environment. Besides that we dont have anything to show.
But I guess this performs just aswell as the 2900XT GTX killer and the pricewar 100million parts uber performance 2600XT.
Oh ye, speedbumps is completely overrated. Now lets focus on something else.Quote:
Is Barcelona going to reverse AMD's recent losses in server market share? I firmly believe it will. A lot of that has to do with this not being just a speed upgrade. If it was just a speed upgrade ... it's a lot more challenging at any point in time to get an advantage and maintain that advantage.
truth is perceptionQuote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
a statement that you prove right every reply....
Using ATi designs to discredit AMD? Thats a really lame argument. And AMD didnt try to use false benchmarks and shady marketing to sell the HD2900XT at the highest price point. Instead they priced it very competitively. So much so that here in Greece its cheaper even than the 320MB GTS and about 50E cheaper than the 640MB GTS. I'd say that under those circumstances its a winner