Well, the article suggests to wait till March
Why not, at least some one has the guts to present new product properly, IMHOQuote:
Originally Posted by bundymania
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Well, the article suggests to wait till March
Why not, at least some one has the guts to present new product properly, IMHOQuote:
Originally Posted by bundymania
Exact this happens now, a guy from the company wrote:
TFC tried to twit me on the worst way…! There´s no patent owned by TFC…because…a contract has to be signed ( this contract was done by the patent attorney )…this contract should arrange the cooperation between TFC and me…and after all was done, TFC didn´t sign it !
But what about Admiral Rads...and FrozenCPU...which was investing 30.000 $ in the new Rad Series ? Hey Mark, pls tell us some details, what is going on.
Performance and pricing? Just guessing...Quote:
Originally Posted by the finisher
I only used that visual because there wasn't a popcorn emoticon, I see now how badly I failed :) Personally, I would love to hear about the drama behind the curtain on this (if there is any).Quote:
Originally Posted by the finisher
:yepp: but I'm not into this steel stuff. I do want to see how the design fairs for cooling though.Quote:
Originally Posted by zalbard
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No problem:up:
lol, if you posted that for me, you're cheating Martin :D , thanks, I stashed the url :up: I guess Fugger doesn't want one here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martinm210
if you posted it because you are grabbing a box yourself, then I'm officially embarrassed.
No I just posted it for all the drama(elsewhere) entertainment..:)
http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/fo...lt-popcorn.gif
Not much drama here...yet:ROTF: Be nice to see a actual product to get excited about, or not.
the performance of these things better be amazing or else feser will have wasted a lot of frozens money and patience for nothing. i wouldnt be suprised if this brought about the death of the feser company ;)
They have had working models for quite some time now. How long does it take for them to hook them up to a loop and test them. What maybe 6 hours for a good test ? Truth is that they probably don't perform any better than current rads on the market otherwise with initial test they would of expedited the production and had them on the market a long time ago.
I will be surprised if they perform better than the current design.
Or they do, but the production prices make them not worth it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elmy
Fixed. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Elmy
:yawn: ...
The master has spoken .. I apologize if I was incorrect .... LoLQuote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
But really they should have internal numbers already.
LOL! Glad you took it as me having some fun.
Yes, internal performance should have been done in oh, maybe September to hit that original October release date. :p:
Fixed :p:Quote:
Originally Posted by skinnee
I had that and then did a ninja edit... should've left a post it note on my monitor. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterlogged
Here´s a translation of what the guy from Lötters wrote @HW Lab Comments Section:
Many of you might be familiar with the history of these radiators, so I'll skip this "dark chapter of a cooperation".
It's true that the radiators look a lot alike as they are part of the same "family".
The entire production is designed for high quality...starting at the used materials (I know...stainless steel), over the way surface treatment, to the service. Why stainless steel out of all the possibilities?
When taking a look at the prices of copper, one can see that they are skyrocketing. Stainless steel can't transfer heat as good as copper, but, and this is the most important part, if I cover a 0.2mm thick pipe out of stainless steel with an aluminum pipe, the material of the inner pipe gets less and less important... (Did anyone ever touch a knife out of stainless steel, that just came out of the dishwasher? It's damn hot!)...a thermal breakthrough occurs, the thermal conductivity of the aluminum is all that counts, so everything works out just fine. So much for the stainless steel issue.
Also, there's no soldering involved in the production. Everything is welded together by lasers, resulting in no deformation at all. It also doesn't require any additives, so the radiators are fully RoHS-compilant.
I hope I was able to explain a few things...
Regards,
Tom / thermalfins
Great.I hope this works as good as it sounds.
BTW should there be a new thread for these rads?
Yes that would be better. Here´s a new thread for those thermafin rads, i can ask the user if he´s willing to start and organize it here too:
http://www.hardwareluxx.de/community...en-790262.html
Thermodynamics wise, this is correct... thermal transfer is dependent on the thermal conductivity of the material, and the distance that the heat has to travel through the material.Quote:
Originally Posted by bundymania
It's the same reason that waterblock bases keep getting thinner and thinner, to the point where they are no longer mechanically feasible. If we were able to make a microchannel waterblock with a .010" thick base, and it was still mechanically stable enough to attain appropriate pressure across the thermal interface, it would outperform any block on the market.
A shorter distance for heat to travel will trump a material with improved thermal conductivity, and with equal distance to travel, thermal conductivity is king.
Stainless steel is more mechanically stable than copper, so thinner tubes can be used whilst still maintaining mechanical stability, and the reduced thermal conductivity vs. copper becomes a non-issue.
People in this hobby are so focused on materials, that they sometimes forget to worry about design... good engineering can easily make up for lower performance materials.
Think of it this way... place your hand on a piece of stainless steel foil, and pour icewater on the other side. Then do the same with a thick copper sheet. Which would feel cold first?
Hey iandh, that's not a very fair analogy because it only deals with the transient. The foil simply reaches steady state in less time. It doesn't address the steady-state heat transfer though which is all we really care about. At steady state, distance is less important.Quote:
Originally Posted by iandh
On another note - I can't believe this thread still doesn't have retail product pics in it yet. I'm so not excited anymore :) .
It's just an analogy to help people that are having trouble imagining that thin stainless tubes could outperform thick copper ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by meanmoe
Regardless of what the analogy shows in relation, the science still says that the water/air delta at equilibrium will be lower on the stainless foil, than it will on the copper sheet.
Distance determines the minimum theoretical water to air delta... material does matter, but it doesn't necessary hold you back as long as you can compensate with less thickness.