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12-16-2008, 08:10 PM
LC_Nab

No point of having a conversation with kids , you will just end up looking like one of them so enough is enough . Back to Deneb please : D

Any ways um I don't understand , you are saying that the QX9770 is faster than the Phenom II but then OCBench says that PhenomII is actually 500 points better than then QX9770 . Still interesting many have said that the phenom II is actually going head to head with the icore7 and performing better than the Qx's , if its true that suck for those that spent 1k + on the QX series , but then it is the internet cant believe what you see till you see the real benchies on friday . Any ways Ill just wait till Friday to see the real benchies . Damn you !! NDA "stabs " : (
12-16-2008, 08:12 PM
iocedmyself

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3855mhz 18 sec SuperPi 1mb

But the more impressive (to me at least) would be the 3ghz clocks on 1.0875v

Not sure why 3dmark vantage results is showing it as 3ghz, was run at 3.6
12-16-2008, 08:14 PM
roofsniper

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Originally Posted by charged3800z24

Ya, I remember the days when There was no Chad. When there was no talk of an AMD chip that looked to be better then the currents ones out, Before leaked slides of hitting 4ghz on air, before 6ghz+ on the new chip from AMD..

I must say I own and run a couple Chevy Cavalier z24's. They did not cost a lot, and they were not even close to the fastest/per dollar spent I could find. I prefer them over anything else, and like my AMD systems, that is what I run. It is another hobby of mine. My car is not always the fastest, but it sure is a lot of fun to take down the strip. I also prefer to run AMD, and these Phenom's are a ton of fun to tweak. Is that bad??... I do not run my computer to get a few more sec's in a particular application. It is a hobby, I enjoy tweaking, benching, etc. To some, this is a sport, and AMD might kinda be like a team to them in the respect. Let it go already.

i am the same as well. i just don't understand why people come in here just to say things that they have no proof about and attack people that like amd systems. they are not coming in here to preach the word of intel. it seems like they are just coming in to stir things up. may i ask how many times there have been threads closed in the intel section because of people going in there and saying amd is better? and how many times people have argued over there in favor of amd? it doesn't provide any benefit to come here and troll and its funny that it happens right after there is some hope of amd becoming the performance leader once again. im just gonna block every person that comes here to troll now since it seems that they cannot think logically and some can't even understand how people can buy amd parts but not be biased. do you have to be biased to buy something from a company?
12-16-2008, 08:15 PM
charged3800z24

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Originally Posted by iocedmyself

3855mhz 18 sec SuperPi 1mb

But the more impressive (to me at least) would be the 3ghz clocks on 1.0875v

that is impressive. That could make for some nice energy saving models to follow. I can run my 9950 at 2.7ghz with 1.18v stable. which I thought was good....looks nice.:up:
12-16-2008, 08:16 PM
roofsniper

i really wish amd will just release some official information. even tho i know phenom II is gonna turn out pretty good i can't trust any of the benchmarks i have seen.
12-16-2008, 08:16 PM
Dami3n

Looking at some results in the orb, deneb are behind stock q9550.
And Agenas at 3ghzs are around 9100 cpu points, not far from ocworkbench Deneb.
Maybe they are looking only the overall result, otherwise there is no sense.
12-16-2008, 08:55 PM
LC_Nab

Since theres not official marks then all we can do so far is assume , only time will tell ^ ^
12-16-2008, 09:29 PM
Throwed

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Originally Posted by Zucker2k

Why did you get a Q6600? Your argument about being "pro" something to post in that section actually shows your immaturity. Worse than that, it shows your intolerance, and that frankly is not in good spirit with the rules of this forum.

I could have gotten the Q6600 by plenty of means. Even so, I am not at liberty to justify what I own to you. ;) BTW, don't twist what I have already said or make false assumptions. My point is...If you want to "bash" AMD then do it in the Intel section or some other place. It's "immature" and troll-like/ignorant to derail an obviously AMD thread/section with useless/unwanted Intel propaganda. Have you noticed everytime someone does this non-sense it usually leads to arguments.......like we have right now........Let's get back to the thread topic. BTW, please don't toss the "rule" book crap around. WE both are violating it. So let's not indulge and just stick to the thread topic..(ie. no Intel crap that throws this AMD thread for a loop)

Maybe Soundood will make another Intel thread in the AMD section for you restless chaps. :up:
12-16-2008, 09:32 PM
Throwed

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Originally Posted by roofsniper

i really wish amd will just release some official information. even tho i know phenom II is gonna turn out pretty good i can't trust any of the benchmarks i have seen.

Here Here. I agree. 2 more days and we will really know what's up. Though just by the excitement of select well known XS users that have tried the CPU first hand shows that AMD has a nice piece of kit on their hands.
12-16-2008, 09:44 PM
Throwed

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Originally Posted by Zucker2k

See the point is, nobody has denied you a post in the Intel section, you're sanctioning yourself based on your own convictions, or whatever else your motivation may be. That didn't stop you from getting a Q6600; may I ask you why? Well, it has disappeared from your sig. Is that because you feel you won't be tolerated in here with an Intel rig in your sig? :rotfl: Posting in the AMD section, or any other section for that came with my membership and I'm not going to give it up to please a couple of fanboys' delusions of demarcations on XS. The AMD section is not prohibited to people with Intel systems. Jeeeeeezzz!!

I never claimed anyone "stopped" me nor do I sanction myself. I just have no interest in the section......You are sure tossing a hell of alot of assumtions my way. FYI, I have NEVER had any Intel anything in my sig. I have mentioned my Q6600 system, but that's about it. BTW, you are correct. Having an Intel system doesn't ban you from the AMD section; however, I am sure most people that visit/post in this section would appreciate it if you STFU with Intel propaganda while you are posting in the AMD section..........I'm really concerned as to why you and a couple others don't understand something so simple.

Surely you wouldn't go in a Harley Davidson's Bike Bar boasting about your Ninja or Hurricane.;)

Man I better call AMD and beg them to delay the Denebs so these "people" won't feel so insignifigant in the AMD section.
12-16-2008, 10:10 PM
Jerry Rob

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Originally Posted by Throwed

1. Because it's the ONLY Ethical and Professional option.
2. Next time AMD release something they will say "Hey, didn't you violate NDA?"......"No, CPU, GPU, and etc. for you!!!"

Didnt You saw a smile at the end of my line? :) (like this)

Beside, that never stopped people before, they were breaking NDA before, and were getting new chips for testing later. This is also a kind of marketing for AMD...
12-16-2008, 11:02 PM
Astennu

I cant wait to see the PHII reviews and get one myself.

I hope the clock for clock performance is good. But i have some doubts about that. From all that i have seen on the net the overall performance is very good but. When you need a lot of integer performance the PHII seems to have the same weakness as the old PH1. And in those cases it seems to be as fast as the old PH1 (on the same clock speeds). So in those cases intel will have a atvantage.

And then for the OC. They are superb i can only deam of those scores for a 300 dollar cpu. I hope all the retail 940's will do so nice. And that i wont have to crank up the v-core to much.

I got 2 systems. One with a Q9450 and one with a tripple core 8450 Phenom. That one will be replaced to test the PHII. If its good the 9450 will go out of the window.

I wonder if i can get a higher performance per watt compared to the Q9450 @ 3.5 ghz @ 1.2v
12-16-2008, 11:40 PM
FlanK3r

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Originally Posted by iocedmyself

3855mhz 18 sec SuperPi 1mb

But the more impressive (to me at least) would be the 3ghz clocks on 1.0875v

Not sure why 3dmark vantage results is showing it as 3ghz, was run at 3.6

whats your motherboard? I want try buy ASUS M3A-T Deluxe...
12-16-2008, 11:54 PM
Str0n7ium

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Originally Posted by roofsniper

i am most likely the biggest amd fanboy you will ever see. i have never ran an intel rig before and i never will. but i am not biased towards amd.

I ran intel back in the 386 days, but that doesnt count - I think it was second hand :D
but still after the barcelona fiasco I started noticing that power draw was starting to affect my choice.. I didnt want to touch a P1. For me the fact that the i7 uses the L3 and QPI confirms what I thought early on - look at what a company like AMD a fraction of the size of intel can accomplish. Forward looking design that has some downfalls in comparison to intel that can throw quite a few more dollars into development - HT on i7 rocks.

Did AMD manage to reduce the latency in the cache much as a result of immersion lithography, or are the two not connected - and does the lack of highK mean this cache will continue to be the hold up of IPC?
12-17-2008, 01:10 AM
Motiv

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Originally Posted by iocedmyself

3855mhz 18 sec SuperPi 1mb

But the more impressive (to me at least) would be the 3ghz clocks on 1.0875v

Not sure why 3dmark vantage results is showing it as 3ghz, was run at 3.6

Thanks again iocedmyself, I think your post got lost in the squabbling kids :(

I agree that is a nice clock for such low voltage. If every one of those 940s can do that, we're going to be in for some fun playing with these chips.

Ok, we're going to be in for some fun regardless. They are looking like a decent alternative to med-high Intel chips. Well on paper at least :)
12-17-2008, 01:13 AM
Macadamia

I've seen quite a couple of 940s that can do 3.8-3.9Ghz at ~1.45V, but anything 4Ghz and it has to be 1.5+V.

3.8/9 is the sweet spot and definitely what most people will be running at. I might just do 3.6 at stock since my 780G ain't that beefy.
12-17-2008, 02:04 AM
informal

lo squartatore attak again!1!1! Seriously dude,knock it off already,your nonsense posts are a pain to read.
12-17-2008, 02:46 AM
crunchie1

Oh for an ignore user option :).

I am thinking of getting me one of the 940's. Hopefully the exchange rate won't kill them for me.
12-17-2008, 02:50 AM
iandh

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Originally Posted by informal

lo squartatore attak again!1!1! Seriously dude,knock it off already,your nonsense posts are a pain to read.

It hurts my head :(

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Originally Posted by Str0n7ium

I ran intel back in the 386 days, but that doesnt count - I think it was second hand :D
but still after the barcelona fiasco I started noticing that power draw was starting to affect my choice.. I didnt want to touch a P1. For me the fact that the i7 uses the L3 and QPI confirms what I thought early on - look at what a company like AMD a fraction of the size of intel can accomplish. Forward looking design that has some downfalls in comparison to intel that can throw quite a few more dollars into development - HT on i7 rocks.

Did AMD manage to reduce the latency in the cache much as a result of immersion lithography, or are the two not connected - and does the lack of highK mean this cache will continue to be the hold up of IPC?

Honestly the performance of P1 never put me off really either... it was the absurd power draw vs. performance. The 9950 125W is now a P1 finally tuned in well enough for me to tolerate.

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Originally Posted by Motiv

Thanks again iocedmyself, I think your post got lost in the squabbling kids :(

I agree that is a nice clock for such low voltage. If every one of those 940s can do that, we're going to be in for some fun playing with these chips.

Ok, we're going to be in for some fun regardless. They are looking like a decent alternative to med-high Intel chips. Well on paper at least :)

I actually enjoy undervolting and OC'ing at the same time whilst running fully passive on a tower heatpipe cooler. Very fun, very silent.
12-17-2008, 03:00 AM
knopflerbruce

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Originally Posted by lo squartatore

I THINK THAT NOT ALL 4 CORES can be to 3.8Ghz.

YOU must increase the voltage or is not possible to have 4 cores to 3.8Ghz stable and easy on air.
right ???

WIth these chips it's easy I think (that's the impression I got, at least...). Stop being so negative;) The chips are luvly:D
12-17-2008, 04:10 AM
ajaidev

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Originally Posted by lo squartatore

I THINK THAT NOT ALL 4 CORES can be to 3.8Ghz.

YOU must increase the voltage or is not possible to have 4 cores to 3.8Ghz stable and easy on air.
right ???

Pls see all the results before u use ur yapper :yepp:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...1&d=1229487456

That is 3871 that is above 3.8Ghz
12-17-2008, 04:20 AM
informal

Hey people, overclockworkbench seems to just broke the NDA(if they ever signed one that is),and tested Phenom II 940 vs QX9770 vs Core i7 940:
http://my.ocworkbench.com/2008/asroc..._X4-info-1.htm

Site is opening slow atm,but Phenom II results seem pretty good.

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