10 people out of how many? Tonnes of people have bought 4870s and there are bound to be a few lemons. Yes a lemon isn't the nicest thing to happen but until it hits 40% or so I would still buy one.
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10 people out of how many? Tonnes of people have bought 4870s and there are bound to be a few lemons. Yes a lemon isn't the nicest thing to happen but until it hits 40% or so I would still buy one.
is adi more than 10 cards because i dont know how many its probably actually more than 15 and that is just on XS other communitys aregetting similar figures for dead cards, if i didnt know what i was talking about i wouldnt have posted itQuote:
Originally Posted by MomijiTMO
Overclocking kills them. BOTH CCC and BIOS overclocking.
Is there alot of HIS cards out there, or are the HIS cards the problematic ones?
i know of at least 8 dead HIS, 2 of which are mine, one of mine died at stock clocks
Gddr5 ???
Mine hasn't died on me yet. >.>
Are they dieing regardless of brand? I have a Gecube HD4870 on order.
Sounds like there was a bad batch.
It's notable, but I wouldn't worry too much. It seems HIS is being affected the most, which means it's a problem with their OEM.
better cooling
?
Everyone who's cards failed seemed to have flashed the bios of them. It looks like the actual flash programs are causing the issues somehow.Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
They are ALWAYS safe to buy because if one dies but you didn't do anything to it (no cooler change, no voltmod, no bios mod, no overclock attemps other than CCC Overdrive, etc) you can always safely bring it back to the shop for immediate exchanging a new one or rma to the etailer.Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
The number of members at this and similar fora that can't wait overclocking all new stuff they buy is in the four digits.
This is not the first time a HIS video card has failed in larger than supposed batches.
HIS IceQ3 (? or stock) 3870 also did that. Funny when it's BBA. Really, I think people should have stayed out after the last burnout.
According to user reports, that's not entirely the case. Some say their cards failed while unmoded. You may choose to believe their statements or not, but personally I will take these fellow XS members at their word until I have reason otherwise. Really they are still gathering more information about what the cause is. If it is defective parts, I am interested in seeing how it is handled by the companies involved. If it is user error, it would be helpful to know what sort of actions to avoid. But either way, more information is needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Motiv
As for not buying the cards, I don't know about that either. What sort of failure rate are we talking about here? With more information about that trend I am certain informed users can make decisions for themselves about whether they want to take the obvious risk behind being an early adopter. Are we seeing an abnormally high failure rate, or was market demand simply so great that reports of potential issues came to light more rapidly?
I think it has to do with the GDDR5. I'm seeing loads of people with 4850's without any problems, and they oc'ed and vmoded the crap out of them (Example: gurusan). I didn't hear of a 4850 dyeing so far and the only difference i can think of between 4850 and 4870 is the GDDR5. Maybe that + excessive heat because of the crap stock fan speed is enough to randomly kill some. (altough users fixed that with the bios editor, got good temps and cards still died).
your joking? from what i have seen there mostly cards released in the US that are exhibiting this problem , and allot of them have been flashed , cards do "just" die , it happens , maybe the gddr5 is extrasensitive?Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
anywayThese are the first ATi cards with 1Mb ROMs. As such, old tools might not work all that well for flashing the bios, in spite of their claiming RV770 support. So a wee bit of patience in your extreme overclocking endeavors might be very very healthy.
could be a problem?
Oh no man, sorry to hear you had 2 cards die on you...sounds like ATi have inherited AMD's problems :down:Quote:
Originally Posted by SNiiPE_DoGG
Thanks Zerazax looks like I can just about squeeze 2 1GB HD4870 puppies into my PC.
John
Does removal of the stock cooler void the warranty on these AMD cards? If there are any reliability issues at all I want to choose the company with the best warranty and customer service when I buy my HD4870x2.
For what its worth my card is a Sapphire and it has been running fine. :D
Here 4850's sell for $180 and 4870's for $270. Awesome price, ATI!
This thread has now taken a hilarious turn. There is a REASON BIOS flashing isn't covered by the warranty and we are seeing exactly why.
Show me where large batches of non flashed, non-overclocked cards are dying (taking into account that people who experience a problem are more likely to whine than those who don't) and maybe we will have something.
Until then it is just a matter of people wading into BIOS flashing without thinking of the ramifications.
hehehe true...but since we're in XS, nothing is left to stock LOL :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
I agree.To add to your post,i think most of people forget this is XS,so users are often taking their cards to the limits(BIOS flashing,volt modding etc.) so it's not uncommon we will see more problems at this forum than at any other out there.Most users are not OCing their systems,and with the latest "fix" for fan speed that Mascaras posted recently,Radeons are now idling 25 degrees lower than ususally(with 65% fan duty cycle).Quote:
Originally Posted by SKYMTL
Informal, it's actually healthy to criticize ATI now and then. Supporting them 100% of the time doesn't help your credibility :stick:Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
This is a QC (quality control) issue for the very reason that it is not an issue at Nvidia. GTX 280s were clocking to 700Mhz on air on stock cooling with sufficient fan speeds from day One. The dead cards are a small percentage and thus a small cause for concern, but the lack of availability plus the issues with the cards that AMD has yet to officially address on its own or any AIB for that matter, collectively means they are not giving a frack about the enthusiast users right now.
That may change in the future, but this is a serious issue. Thankfully, W1zzard has helped us isolate the problem and avoid it until a permanent fix arrives.
Perkam
Perkam ,i personally think this is AIB problem,not AMD's problem.But yes,the issue is there and needs to be addressed.How it will be done,i don't care,as long as it is fixed.The problems is the fan speed and it's rather low(yeah for the sake of quiet card,but it's still low).
I still can't see how this is a "serious issue" when the majority of people reporting problems are people ones who flashed their BIOSes.Quote:
Originally Posted by perkam
BIOS flashing is not an exact science and it is funny that you bring up the GTX 280 cards since no one was flashing the BIOS on those cards to get to that 700Mhz clock speed. I fail to see how parallels can be drawn between the two in the first place based on the methods people have used for overclocking in each instance.
On way or another, people have to realize that a "serious problem" to the overclocking community means squat in the marketplace as a whole. I have said it once and I will say it again: there is a reason overclocking and BIOS flashing isn't covered by the warranty.