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08-31-2006, 07:14 AM
Ruhnie

I've got something strange happening to me when I try to OC on this board now. Even at a very small OC with my fsb @ 280 this happens. I can run memtest and Orthos fine for a couple of hours, but when I reboot to push the fsb up a little I get the problem.

I hear the fans come on, and the HD light shows activity, but I get no power to my mouse or keyboard, and my monitor gets no signal. I found that I can short cmos and reboot, but I also found that if I shut off the power and wait 10 minutes, it will boot up fine. The only difference is that BIOS has changed my settings back to optimized defaults.

Will it do this if the temps are too high? I'm running the stock HSF right now, and at idle I'm seeing 42-45C in Easy Tune and 55C in CoreTemp. At load I'm seeing 48-52 in Easy Tune and 66-71C in CoreTemp. I know this is pretty high, and I'll be getting another cooler, but I think it's strange that I'm seeing such high temps with such a small OC.
08-31-2006, 08:41 AM
crspyjohn

If i fail orthos after a few hours is the computer ok?
08-31-2006, 08:48 AM
Aldy402

Quote:

Originally Posted by crspyjohn

If i fail orthos after a few hours is the computer ok?

thats ultimately up to you, i used to prime for 24 hrs , then it went down to 6 then 4 , now i only prime for an hour

yea i know, i know
08-31-2006, 08:59 AM
crspyjohn

Well i failed at like 3 hours into it and i wasn't awake to hear the beeping noise. But passing prime for an hour is enough for most?
08-31-2006, 09:28 AM
CrazyJohn

i do spi 32m when o/cing to check settings, when it fails i change VCOre or sth, if it succeeds i overclock more
when i get the fsb wall (or cpu wall etc) i downclock few Mhz and try spi and prime for ~3h to get rock stable system

and i like goldmem - it's really hard to pass this program so it makes me think my mems are really rock stable
08-31-2006, 11:56 AM
norain

Quote:

Originally Posted by mach82

Latest official DQ6 bios is F3, which I'm using

So when it comes to the x1 link width problem, I think I know what may cause it. When I switch my PC on with the Gigabyte DQ6 it goes like this: the fans spin for a second - stop - spin and boots. The result is x1 width link. Now let's consider Asus P5B DLX -when I switch on my non-overclocked PC it goes like this: fans spin and the PC boots - the result is, that there is always x16 link width. Now, let's consider the third option in which my E6400 is overclocked to 8x400 MHz with the P5B DLX. When the PC starts, it goes like this: fans spin - stop - spin and the PC boots. The result is x1 link width. With this weird start, there is quite a huge chance of my 7900GT running in a PCI-E x1 link width. Many people have argued, that this start-stop-start might be not so good for our HDDs, but it appears, that it may actually cause this strange behavior of graphic cards. I've never had any problems with my P5B DLX and graphic card, when the asus starts in a normal way. The problem is, that DQ6 never starts in a normal way. What do you think about that?

I don't buy it. I mean you know my DS3 starts the same way as your DQ6, and I get 16x absolutely every time. (HD seems to be holding-up just fine as well.)

No... I really don't think the start-up is an issue. Probably your overclock on the P5B is somehow killing the PCI-E bandwidth.
08-31-2006, 12:52 PM
Delphi00

Has anyone tried the new F5C bios for the DS3? How is it?

And do you guys know how I can disable to onboard sound so that I can use my soundcard?

Thanks :)
08-31-2006, 12:57 PM
Ruhnie

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delphi00

Has anyone tried the new F5C bios for the DS3? How is it?

And do you guys know how I can disable to onboard sound so that I can use my soundcard?

Thanks :)

In BIOS there is a setting for Azelia Codec, set it to disabled.
08-31-2006, 01:02 PM
cliffy

My memory clocks are worse with the f5e bios but i have noticed the maximum fsb speed has gone up from 600 to 700 not that i can get any where near that (my max fsb has stayed on 450) but at least hopefully thats a sign that they are working on it and will maybe have some results in the finished f5 bios:p:
08-31-2006, 01:09 PM
mach82

Quote:

Originally Posted by norain

I don't buy it. I mean you know my DS3 starts the same way as your DQ6, and I get 16x absolutely every time. (HD seems to be holding-up just fine as well.)
No... I really don't think the start-up is an issue. Probably your overclock on the P5B is somehow killing the PCI-E bandwidth.

Well, in that case, why does the card switch into x1 mode not all the time, but just in let's say 3 times per ten (with P5B DLX) when FSB is 400 MHz? Why does it witch into x1 mode with my gigabyte DQ6, although there is no overclocking at all? You can't answer these questions, can you? But there is one sure thing: weird start equals trouble (x1 link width), while normal start means no trouble at all.
08-31-2006, 01:29 PM
Delphi00

Anyone tried teh new beta F5C bios for the DS3? Didn't get many links on it when I googled for it.
08-31-2006, 02:24 PM
Dazog

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delphi00

Anyone tried teh new beta F5C bios for the DS3? Didn't get many links on it when I googled for it.

F5E is out alot better than F5C
08-31-2006, 02:56 PM
norain

Quote:

Originally Posted by mach82

Well, in that case, why does the card switch into x1 mode not all the time, but just in let's say 3 times per ten (with P5B DLX) when FSB is 400 MHz? Why does it witch into x1 mode with my gigabyte DQ6, although there is no overclocking at all? You can't answer these questions, can you? But there is one sure thing: weird start equals trouble (x1 link width), while normal start means no trouble at all.

There's a lot of things I can't answer. I don't work for Gigabyte :)

You didn't MENTION anything about the randomness of the 16x glitch when you overclocked. You just said it booted to 1x when you overclocked. But, now that you mention it, I can explain that.

Not every time you boot an overclocked system is the same. Once you take a CPU, RAM, and voltages out of spec you're open to all kinds of randomness. Even if you leave the RAM speeds to the same number... the subtle variations in voltage each time you boot up are going to cause all kinds of mischef. Particularly depending on how tight or loose your ram settings are, how much voltage you've added to MCH, even the ambient room temperature when you boot. I've even had my computer lock on me with everything stock for no reason at all during a boot, pressed the power button, pressed it again, and it booted like nothing happened. Could even have something to do with the power strip you're using or your power supply.

When random electrical things start to occur, it's wise to look at the electric devices (voltages in RAM settings, power supply, etc) as opposed to, say, calling Ghostbusters.

The DS3 and DQ6 boot weird because Gigabyte claims to have designed them that way. The P5B Deluxe is not supposed to boot that way AT ALL. Overclock or no.
08-31-2006, 07:19 PM
wickedld9

In case anyone was wondering, the DS3 with F5E BIOS runs a 7950GX2 perfectly. ;)

Just got my DS3 tonight and been whipping up on her and my E6300. Currently stable at 3.3GHz with 1.325v on big typhoon.

I have zero problems with my board and after reading some of the horror stories in this thread I was very surprised to find that my system runs fine.

This board clocks insane! Seriously considering trying out my E6600 to see how much Bad Axe is holding it back.
08-31-2006, 07:24 PM
chrisf6969

well, I've figure out the most finicky thing for me has been the motherboard. I thought it was the ram or CPU.

But I realized that the CPU is stable at even default voltage past 3Ghz if I just test with 8k FFT tests. I also tried jacking up the voltage to 1.4v which didn't change the stability

I did swapped out the ram, which did allow me to get higher than my initial FSB wall at 300. Now with the new ram... I'm pretty sure its the MCH giving me problems

The MCH voltage is very finicky,
at default voltage it wasn't stable at all...
at +.2v it was more stable....
so I tried +.1v and thats almost got it..

I'm still tweaking things trying to find my final clocks.

But I'm starting to think maybe I should get a 975 motherboard
since they seem to be much more mature & stable :(
08-31-2006, 07:59 PM
DarciisFyer

vMCH, vFSB, and vCore set to default all overvolt automatically once you raise your fsb. vCore goes up to 1.41, vMCH and vFSB go up to +0.3. I found this out when my southbridge was 63 degrees with vMCH and vFSB at default and I couldn't OC past 330FSB, and then switched vMCH and vFSB to +0.1, which made my southbridge 7 degrees cooler and my FSB to 390 stable.
08-31-2006, 08:48 PM
kelim

How are you guys finding the northbridge voltage settings?
08-31-2006, 09:11 PM
DarciisFyer

Quote:

Originally Posted by kelim

How are you guys finding the northbridge voltage settings?

I don't know myself, but some people on this forum with multimeters and knowledge of which pins to measure cataloged the overvolt settings and found default and +0.3 to be the same when overclocking.

If you're asking where to change them, press ctrl+f1 at the main BIOS screen.
08-31-2006, 10:57 PM
crspyjohn

Could a geforce 6600 stop high overclocking? I am using it with vga not dvi.
08-31-2006, 11:12 PM
mach82

Quote:

Originally Posted by norain

Not every time you boot an overclocked system is the same. Once you take a CPU, RAM, and voltages out of spec you're open to all kinds of randomness. Even if you leave the RAM speeds to the same number... the subtle variations in voltage each time you boot up are going to cause all kinds of mischef. Particularly depending on how tight or loose your ram settings are, how much voltage you've added to MCH, even the ambient room temperature when you boot. I've even had my computer lock on me with everything stock for no reason at all during a boot, pressed the power button, pressed it again, and it booted like nothing happened. Could even have something to do with the power strip you're using or your power supply.

When random electrical things start to occur, it's wise to look at the electric devices (voltages in RAM settings, power supply, etc) as opposed to, say, calling Ghostbusters.

Whether overclocked or not, I set all voltages and timings manually, so there is no possibility that anything could change. Ambient room temperature is the same all the time. The power supply is even too good for this PC - a 530W unit, while 350W would be enough. The probem is, that even a non-overclocked system with the gigabyte DQ6 isn't working fine for me, switching to x1 link mode from time to time - that's extremely iritating.

Quote:

The DS3 and DQ6 boot weird because Gigabyte claims to have designed them that way. The P5B Deluxe is not supposed to boot that way AT ALL. Overclock or no.

P5B DLX starts in a gigabyte-style way while being heavily overclocked - it's absolutely normal.
09-01-2006, 03:10 AM
norain

Quote:

Originally Posted by mach82

Whether overclocked or not, I set all voltages and timings manually, so there is no possibility that anything could change. Ambient room temperature is the same all the time. The power supply is even too good for this PC - a 530W unit, while 350W would be enough. The probem is, that even a non-overclocked system with the gigabyte DQ6 isn't working fine for me, switching to x1 link mode from time to time - that's extremely iritating.

P5B DLX starts in a gigabyte-style way while being heavily overclocked - it's absolutely normal.

Really? Hmm... Well then you've got me. I'm stumped.

What are your amps on the 12v rail and which power supply are you using?

390 FSB doesn't strike me as a particularly high clock, but your video card in particular takes a lot of juice.

Didn't know that about the P5B DLX. Guess I haven't overclocked one high enough.
09-01-2006, 03:53 AM
beaNN

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ruhnie

I've got something strange happening to me when I try to OC on this board now. Even at a very small OC with my fsb @ 280 this happens. I can run memtest and Orthos fine for a couple of hours, but when I reboot to push the fsb up a little I get the problem.

I hear the fans come on, and the HD light shows activity, but I get no power to my mouse or keyboard, and my monitor gets no signal. I found that I can short cmos and reboot, but I also found that if I shut off the power and wait 10 minutes, it will boot up fine. The only difference is that BIOS has changed my settings back to optimized defaults.

Will it do this if the temps are too high? I'm running the stock HSF right now, and at idle I'm seeing 42-45C in Easy Tune and 55C in CoreTemp. At load I'm seeing 48-52 in Easy Tune and 66-71C in CoreTemp. I know this is pretty high, and I'll be getting another cooler, but I think it's strange that I'm seeing such high temps with such a small OC.

Hi,

My new PC does exactly the same thing, doesn't matter what the FSB is. It sometimes gets to windows and it runs fine, as soon as I reboot it it will reboot and go back to defaults.

I've tried turning the USB legacy thing off but made no difference, any other ideas?
09-01-2006, 07:19 AM
BottomsUp

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarciisFyer

vMCH, vFSB, and vCore set to default all overvolt automatically once you raise your fsb. vCore goes up to 1.41, vMCH and vFSB go up to +0.3. I found this out when my southbridge was 63 degrees with vMCH and vFSB at default and I couldn't OC past 330FSB, and then switched vMCH and vFSB to +0.1, which made my southbridge 7 degrees cooler and my FSB to 390 stable.

Is this really true for vfsb, and vmch? If so that would explain why raisine these values doen't help my max overclock. Normal is allready maxing them out i bet.
09-01-2006, 07:37 AM
mach82

Quote:

Originally Posted by norain

Really? Hmm... Well then you've got me. I'm stumped.

What are your amps on the 12v rail and which power supply are you using?

390 FSB doesn't strike me as a particularly high clock, but your video card in particular takes a lot of juice.

Didn't know that about the P5B DLX. Guess I haven't overclocked one high enough.

BeQuiet 530W Dark Power Pro - a well-known brand in Europe - they produce very good power supply units. This PSU can handle 600W. 12V rail is 12.15V - measured with a DMM, not software. 3.3V and 5V rails are almost perfect - 3.35V and 5.10V. 7900GT consumes about 50W, so it's not a lot. Overall this PC doesn't consume more than 300W. The PSU is not a problem here. I'll try a foxcon P95 mobo next week, to see if my 7900GT behaves exactly the same way as with my DQ6. Currently I'm running it with a P5W DH deluxe (975X) - no problems at all.

I've just learned a new word - stumped :) My English is getting better and better. Learning English with xtremesystems.org is a graet thing, although some people use hoorible English here :p:
09-01-2006, 08:10 AM
Cobalt

The DS3 works fine with my brand new Forton BlueStorm 500W. Is it possible that only the older revisions are incompatible?

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