Biostar TForce P965 Deluxe - 530FSB 1:1 4-4-3-4

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01-08-2007, 05:44 PM
JWilson

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Originally Posted by Vulcan

I've been tweaking away with this board for the last few hours, and I cannot get it to boot above around 449-450mhz fsb. The post starts to act funny around 448mhz, sometimes it just sits there like it is stuck halfway through the post.

Basically, everything seems fine with at 445mhz fsb, ram at 4-4-4-12, yet another 5mhz and everything goes to hell. Relaxing timings to 5-5-5-15 does nothing, nor do raising voltages.

Not sure where to go from here.

Sounds like the Biostar is not happy with your memory, which is what? Divider?
01-08-2007, 06:20 PM
Vulcan

Quote:

Originally Posted by JWilson

Sounds like the Biostar is not happy with your memory, which is what? Divider?

Yep. I think you were right. The 103RH Bios got me sorted out... I've broken the 450mhz barrier now.

Looks like my ram takes a dive right around 450mhz though as I'm forced to drop the CAS latency to 5 to get it stable.

Am I right in thinking my best bet is to max out the system with the ram running at 4-4-4-12?

EDIT:
While I'm on the topic... I'm not very familiar with DDRII. What kind of voltage is reasonable for me to be running with my ram? I realize that the G.Skill spec says 2.1v max, but what do you guys say? I have G.Skill F2-6400CL4D [http://www.newegg.com/product/produc...2E16820231087]

Do you think this would benefit from the volt mod? Will I need some sort of active cooling to keep them cool?
01-08-2007, 07:17 PM
natedog420

will somebody answer my QUESTION?????????? can anybody boot up and is stable on the 1.55 setting for nb voltage in bios. i can not i want to see if u guys cant either. or if its just my board and ive already read everything about this board on rebels but i didnt see anything about this.
01-08-2007, 07:46 PM
Doom5

Quote:

Originally Posted by natedog420

will somebody answer my QUESTION?????????? can anybody boot up and is stable on the 1.55 setting for nb voltage in bios. i can not i want to see if u guys cant either. or if its just my board and ive already read everything about this board on rebels but i didnt see anything about this.

My friend's board couldn't boot past default NB voltage until we put on a better cooling for the north bridge.
01-08-2007, 10:19 PM
anarinsk

Looks great. Another cotenders for P965!
01-09-2007, 05:09 AM
First time OC

New Bios supplies multiplier CPU

Hi All,

Anybody tried the new bios with CPU multiplier.
Anybody:stick:
01-09-2007, 05:40 AM
boblemagnifique

Quote:

Originally Posted by First time OC

Hi All,

Anybody tried the new bios with CPU multiplier.
Anybody:stick:

change coeff by Crystalcpuid :toast:
01-09-2007, 06:04 AM
[XC]melymel

Quote:

Originally Posted by natedog420

will somebody answer my QUESTION?????????? can anybody boot up and is stable on the 1.55 setting for nb voltage in bios. i can not i want to see if u guys cant either. or if its just my board and ive already read everything about this board on rebels but i didnt see anything about this.

1.55v on stock nb cooling causes it to lock up on first post screen but simply putting a small fan off my p2 on the nb has solved it for now. :toast:

P.S. this board is great for the price providing you boot at the right fsb.
01-09-2007, 08:44 AM
ziberia

I have 3 of these boards, 2 C1's and a C2.

On board #1, the mosfet controlling the VMCH blew the first time I set it to 1.55V, which is actually 1.85Volts. I had modded the board for cascade use, so there was no chance for a RMA. But The Stilt quickly provided me with a more powerful mosfet. I had some problems de-soldering, but at the end the board is now running fine, although I have not benched it seriously.

I strongly suggest putting a hs on the mosfet, which is located NNE of the NB, if you plan to use 1.55V on the NB.

Board #2 is a happy puppy. It does FSB 540.

#3 is with the C2 NB. I did not have too much time with it, as the Asus Commando arrived. Still FSB 542. Limit seems to be my CPU, as the Asus reaches the same.

I have only been able to achieve decent o/c with the 803 'The Stilt' BIOS. The other ones seem to coded to prevent any overclocking.:confused: I boot with FSB 397 and go up with ClockGen.

965PT C2

http://ziberia.1g.fi/kuvat/10.437.jpg/full
01-09-2007, 10:05 AM
Misko

Quote:

Originally Posted by ziberia

But The Stilt quickly provided me with a more powerful mosfet. I had some problems de-soldering, but at the end the board is now running fine, although I have not benched it seriously.

Hello, can u tell which mosfet did u solder, and how, with what type of solder and can u post ram timings for spi result

regards Misko
01-09-2007, 10:40 AM
ziberia

Quote:

Originally Posted by Misko82

Hello, can u tell which mosfet did u solder, and how, with what type of solder and can u post ram timings for spi result

regards Misko

Misko,

for soldering advice, go to:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=115387

Here's your mosfet:

http://ziberia.1g.fi/kuvat/Biostar_mosfet.jpg/full

RAM was Cellshock 8000 @ 2.85V, 4-4-4-8. R.I.P.
01-09-2007, 12:34 PM
Misko

@ziberia tnx for picture&link, sorry for cell's :( Do u know yours new fet name? The more power one? To know with which one to replace.
01-09-2007, 12:37 PM
ziberia

Quote:

Originally Posted by Misko82

@ziberia tnx for picture&link, sorry for cell's :( Do u know yours new fet name? The more power one?

Philips PHD78NQ03LT :D
01-09-2007, 02:22 PM
Misko

Quote:

Originally Posted by ziberia

Philips PHD78NQ03LT :D

:toast:
01-09-2007, 03:11 PM
Vulcan

I'm perfectly stable up to 448mhz @ 4-4-4-12, yet 450mhz is nearly unbootable at the same timings. I found it odd that things went downhill so quickly at precisely 1800mhz FSB, which got me to thinking about what I had read about the NB trimmings having a large effect on stability.

to test this I booted up at 455 @ 5-4-4-12 and then used memset to bring the cas latency back down to 4. So far so good, looks to be quite stable.

So, am I right in thinking this has to do with the NB timings, and that by setting the cas latency to 5 in the bios I indirectly loosened the timings on the NB?

EDIT: Now testing at 485 @ 4-4-4-12
01-09-2007, 03:37 PM
Ace-a-Rue

i wouldn't call it indirectly...i would say directly since the memory controller is situated in the north bridge...this is not like the AMD X2 processor with the memory controller onboard the cpu die.
01-09-2007, 03:46 PM
Vulcan

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ace-a-Rue

i wouldn't call it indirectly...i would say directly since the memory controller is situated in the north bridge...this is not like the AMD X2 processor with the memory controller onboard the cpu die.

Ah.

Anyone know of an article that gives some details on the NB timings and how they relate to the ram timings?
01-09-2007, 08:10 PM
serangel78

E6300, 2.4v Memory voltage, 6-6-6-12-auto(1:1), fsb 550 was possible.

1m dual pi finished. :)

D9 1g x 2 for this test.

Bios ver. is 0914rh.

6-6-6-12.. not so familiar timing :(
01-10-2007, 04:21 AM
Vulcan

Quote:

Originally Posted by serangel78

E6300, 2.4v Memory voltage, 6-6-6-12-auto(1:1), fsb 550 was possible.

1m dual pi finished. :)

D9 1g x 2 for this test.

Bios ver. is 0914rh.

6-6-6-12.. not so familiar timing :(

You should be able to go tighter on those timings. Try booting up at 6-5-5-15 and then use memtool to change the cas latency to 5.
01-11-2007, 07:35 AM
garn

This is so frustrating... I purchased this board before I read this thread, and then stumbled on this and see all of the success you guys are having..

I can't even get it to 300 FSB without errors or freezing. Upping CPU voltage doesnt make a difference, I went as high as 1.4v. Upped NB voltage as well, no difference. At first I thought it was my 350w PS, so I got an Ultra 600w PS, voltages were solid. Same thing though.

I have Super Talent 2x1GB PC6400 4-4-3-8, maybe it REALLY hates my memory. I have heard that they started using Elpida or Promo chips, and mine is week 49 (oh im pissed!) so thats probably what I have..

I have the latest BIOS version from biostar, tried the one from 1/5/07 and now 1/9/07. I have also tried the latest RH bios, no difference.

Note: This is on XP64, i dont see why this would make a difference really. Also I have read to disable ACPI before install and that it improves performance, is this true?

:mad:
01-11-2007, 08:14 AM
serangel78

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vulcan

You should be able to go tighter on those timings. Try booting up at 6-5-5-15 and then use memtool to change the cas latency to 5.

Oh, Thanks. I should try that method.

1 question. Which bios is the best for fsb 500+ overclock?
01-11-2007, 08:18 AM
serangel78

Quote:

Originally Posted by garn

This is so frustrating... I purchased this board before I read this thread, and then stumbled on this and see all of the success you guys are having..

I can't even get it to 300 FSB without errors or freezing. Upping CPU voltage doesnt make a difference, I went as high as 1.4v. Upped NB voltage as well, no difference. At first I thought it was my 350w PS, so I got an Ultra 600w PS, voltages were solid. Same thing though.

I have Super Talent 2x1GB PC6400 4-4-3-8, maybe it REALLY hates my memory. I have heard that they started using Elpida or Promo chips, and mine is week 49 (oh im pissed!) so thats probably what I have..

I have the latest BIOS version from biostar, tried the one from 1/5/07 and now 1/9/07. I have also tried the latest RH bios, no difference.

Note: This is on XP64, i dont see why this would make a difference really. Also I have read to disable ACPI before install and that it improves performance, is this true?

:mad:

Mine is also Super Talent 1g x 2 (0635). Probably D9. But mine has no problem with O.C. up to fsb 500.

Set memory divider to '533'(not 667 or 800).

4-4-4-12 or 5-5-5-15 setting will be ok.
01-11-2007, 04:36 PM
Ace-a-Rue

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Ah.

Anyone know of an article that gives some details on the NB timings and how they relate to the ram timings?

this should help give you an understanding:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=114998
01-11-2007, 07:12 PM
garn

Quote:

Originally Posted by serangel78

Mine is also Super Talent 1g x 2 (0635). Probably D9. But mine has no problem with O.C. up to fsb 500.

Set memory divider to '533'(not 667 or 800).

4-4-4-12 or 5-5-5-15 setting will be ok.

Hey, thanks for the reply. What BIOS version are you running?

I have heard they stopped using any micron chips except in their PC1000
01-11-2007, 08:09 PM
garn

Quote:

Originally Posted by serangel78

Mine is also Super Talent 1g x 2 (0635). Probably D9. But mine has no problem with O.C. up to fsb 500.

Set memory divider to '533'(not 667 or 800).

4-4-4-12 or 5-5-5-15 setting will be ok.

Alright, well, the best I could do with a quick overclock (not trying for each and every single mhz) was 333 x 9 mem divider at 533 (667 mhz memory, sucky)

No matter what, the memory won't go above 800ish mhz and boot, regardless of timings..

Then the motherboard won't go above 340ish..

So it looks like I am stuck at 3Ghz and 667 mem (3-3-3-9 timings)

I'll see if it passes mem-test at these timings..

not happy in the slightest :( picked hardware for this PC with OC'in strictly in mind and I probably could have had better results with random equipment :slapass:

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