"ASUS P5Q Deluxe discussion".

Ok , I am lazy. I haven't read thur all the posts yet to get my answer. I also have posted in several other theads. I am coming over to Intel from AMD. I just have gotten tried of all there BS. The too major ones were board design and general chip design/plans.

I wanted a 45mn chip and didn't need a quad right now. This is what I have to work with from my crapped out AMD590 based system:

OCZ 600/650 Extrem Game PS
I brough a set of OCZ PC9200 1150 reaper (4) 1 chips.

Wanted to know which one of the bios mods / stocks will work the best with these sticks. Do I need the deluxe as I wouldn't be running dual video or is it that much better in general. I am thinking about the E8500 or E8400. The 8600 is just too much of a price jump.

I would love to finally see a 4.0 ghz system that works at FULL memory bandwith. I know I can get at least 1200mhz out of these reapers!! I have grown tried of 200 (400 whatever) monkeyed buses.

I know I need a new heatsink and maybe a Harddrive. I have a good fan which I will be getting one to do a push full setup.

Thanks for anyhelp.

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Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ

What would be a good target NB GTL REF Voltage, not the divider but the actual voltage for 4 2gb sticks and lets say a 475fsb. I should be getting my chip soon and was just planning things out. Thanks

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I run 8 GB...
To get P95 Blend/IBT/LinX max RAM stable, i use the following...

CPU Voltage: 1.275
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): 0.680
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): 0.680
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.58
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.36
DRAM Voltage: 1.96
NB Voltage: 1.38
NB GTL Reference: 0.67
SBridge Voltage: 1.2
PCIE SATA Voltage: 1.6

Load Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
CPU Clock Skew : 100
NB Clock Skew : 200
CPU Margin Enhancement: Optimized

http://ense7en.com/pics/q9650/Q9650%...d%20STABLE.JPG

i need help here

this is my machine:
Asus P5Q Deluxe, mbios 1702
X3360 (Q9550) C1, 459x8.5 1.3875-1.400v
4 x 2gb Transcend AXeRam 1066+@ 1103mhz 2.0v

Problem:
I have CPU stable on 1.3875v (3.9ghz), i can run Prime95 for hours but i experience sudden random crashes on no load at all. It just reset the system without warning, on idle.

I spent hours to find right voltages, i think i've found them but cant sove this problem. I guess it has something with "loadline calibration" wich couse that the voltages are lowered when idle and on load it ads ~0.01-0.02v
If i disable "load-line calibration", then i have to raise vcpu to 1.400+V vwich gime me much more heat under the load.

Aslo, vdrop (i my case) is high, when set to 1.393v, on load it fell to ~1.34v, wich is to much! I thought that vdroop shouldnt be so high on P5Q dlx.

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JumperFree Configuration Settings
AI Overclock tuner: Manual
CPU Ratio Setting: 8.5
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333
FSB Frequency: 459
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: 1103
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: AUTO
DRAM Timing Control: Manual

1st Information :
CAS# Latency: 5
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : AUTO
Row Refresh Cycle Time: AUTO
Write Recovery Time: AUTO
Read to Precharge Time: AUTO

2nd Information :
READ to WRITE Delay (S/D): AUTO
Write to Read Delay (S): AUTO
WRITE to READ Delay (D): AUTO
READ to READ Delay (S): AUTO
READ to READ Delay (D): AUTO
WRITE to WRITE Delay (S): AUTO
WRITE to WRITE Delay (D): AUTO

3rd Information :
WRITE to PRE Delay: AUTO
READ to PRE Delay: AUTO
PRE to PRE Delay: AUTO
ALL PRE to ACT Delay: AUTO
ALL PRE to REF Delay: AUTO
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Read Training: Disabled
MEM. OC Charger: enable
AI Clock Twister: Light
AI Transaction Booster: Manual
Common Performance Level [8]
Pull-In of CHA PH1: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHA PH2: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHA PH3: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHA PH4: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH1: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH2: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH3: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH4: DISABLED

CPU Voltage: 1.393 - 1.400v
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): AUTO
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): AUTO
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.52v ----> is this right ?
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.32v ----> ?
DRAM Voltage: 2.00v
NB Voltage: 1.36v
NB GTL Reference: AUTO
SBridge Voltage: 1.1
PCIE SATA Voltage: 1.5

Load Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
CPU Clock Skew : Normal
NB Clock Skew : Normal

Advance CPU Settings
CPU Ratio Setting: 8.5
CPU VID: Disabled
C1E Suppport: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel® Virtualization Tech: Disabled
Vanderpool Technology: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled

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Why not help ya board and run PL 9-10, TRFC 55...

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Originally Posted by Leeghoofd

Why not help ya board and run PL 9-10, TRFC 55...

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you think it is the problem ? thants the reason for the crashes?

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Originally Posted by -n7-

I run 8 GB...
To get P95 Blend/IBT/LinX max RAM stable, i use the following...

CPU Voltage: 1.275
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): 0.680
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): 0.680
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.58
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.36
DRAM Voltage: 1.96
NB Voltage: 1.38
NB GTL Reference: 0.67
SBridge Voltage: 1.2
PCIE SATA Voltage: 1.6

Load Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
CPU Clock Skew : 100
NB Clock Skew : 200
CPU Margin Enhancement: Optimized

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Thanks for the tips. This should help. Im surprised at how much more GTL Ref that these 45nm quads like compared to my old 45nm dual. What is the VID on your chip?
Does your Northbridge run hot with that much voltage? I just straped a couple of 40mm Sunons to my northbridge, so Im hoping that will help. I also replaced the TIM on the chipset with mx-2 a while back.
What does the Northbridge Clock Skew do? How will that effect my clocks?

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Originally Posted by xaver

you think it is the problem ? thants the reason for the crashes?

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Have you tested BLEND mode or just small FFT for the CPU ? P45 is nice but 8GB stresses the memory controller big time... so better relax some and gain stability instead of 100mb read or write...

i've tried BLEND test, and it run it for 2h without problems. Cpu temps are max 65-66'c, NB is not very hot, memory is hot but same memory run on 2.1 and was much hotter, and i have found that it runs fine with lower voltage, so now is 2.00-2.02v

As i said, my problem is not with running under load, but runnng at idle.
It's not clear to me why is that happening ... tried everything but sudden crashes occures form time to time, even when noone uses a computer.

I heard that "loadline calibration" option can produce peaks and drops in voltages so i guess i may be the source of my problem


one more thing:
P5Q deluxe cannot work stable with 3 mem sticks, it gave me a plenty of crashes, and as i inserted a 4th stick it become much more stable. I also have Maximus II forumla and same amount of memory (and same memory) and no problems.

Can someone plz gimme an answer:P

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Originally Posted by will2500

Can someone plz gimme an answer:P

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This can be a lot of different things stopping you reach that speed,Cpu,Mobo,Ram.

Did you ever tried to find your CPU FSB Wall ? If you reach more then 500 with cpu you can start about thinking of 5ghz.
And i quote Leeghoofd about cooling, at this speeds you need volts and that needs cooling too.

how do i find out wat my fsb wall is. cause right now i have tried increasing the voltage and uping my fsb but it wont stay stable past 440 which it should be able to get higher since its E8600 intel core 2 duo.

Im really having trouble getting 4 2gb kits stable. Im starting to think that my board just dosen't like this ram. Any tips would be appreciated. Im at a loss here. I just pulled out one kit and am stabilizing the oc on my chip to rule that out.
Thanks in advance.

ASUS P5Q DLX Template :

JumperFree Configuration Settings
AI Overclock tuner: Manual
CPU Ratio Setting: 9
FSB Strap to North Bridge: AUTO
FSB Frequency: 450
PCI-E Frequency: 101
DRAM Frequency: 901
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: AUTO
DRAM Timing Control: Manual

1st Information :

CAS# Latency: 5
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : AUTO
Row Refresh Cycle Time: 55
Write Recovery Time: AUTO
Read to Precharge Time: AUTO

2nd Information :

READ to WRITE Delay (S/D): AUTO
Write to Read Delay (S): AUTO
WRITE to READ Delay (D): AUTO
READ to READ Delay (S): AUTO
READ to READ Delay (D): AUTO
WRITE to WRITE Delay (S): AUTO
WRITE to WRITE Delay (D): AUTO

3rd Information :

WRITE to PRE Delay: AUTO
READ to PRE Delay: AUTO
PRE to PRE Delay: AUTO
ALL PRE to ACT Delay: AUTO
ALL PRE to REF Delay: AUTO
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Read Training: AUTO
MEM. OC Charger: AUTO
AI Clock Twister: AUTO
AI Transaction Booster: Manual
Common Performance Level 8(results in no post) 10(posts but clearly unstable)
Pull-In of CHA PH1: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHA PH2: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHA PH3: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHA PH4: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH1: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH2: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH3: DISABLED
Pull-In of CHB PH4: DISABLED

CPU Voltage: 1.41ish, 1.38 cpu-z idle, 1.328 cpu-load
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): 0.660
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): 0.655
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.56
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.34
DRAM Voltage: 2.1
NB Voltage: 1.36
NB GTL Reference: 0.650
SBridge Voltage: 1.2
PCIE SATA Voltage: 1.5

Load Line Calibration: Disabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
CPU Clock Skew : Auto
NB Clock Skew : Auto

Advance CPU Settings
CPU Ratio Setting: Manual
CPU VID: Default
C1E Suppport: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel® Virtualization Tech: Disabled
Vanderpool Technology: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled

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Originally Posted by will2500

Can someone plz gimme an answer:P

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Pls pm your bios settings via the template and list all of ya hardware and co...

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Originally Posted by xaver

i've tried BLEND test, and it run it for 2h without problems. Cpu temps are max 65-66'c, NB is not very hot, memory is hot but same memory run on 2.1 and was much hotter, and i have found that it runs fine with lower voltage, so now is 2.00-2.02v

As i said, my problem is not with running under load, but runnng at idle.
It's not clear to me why is that happening ... tried everything but sudden crashes occures form time to time, even when noone uses a computer.

I heard that "loadline calibration" option can produce peaks and drops in voltages so i guess i may be the source of my problem

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Have you tried to revert back to 1406 bios ? Ofcourse 2 hour blend is not enough for stability test but it's a good step in the right direction... could well be that indeed on your board the LLC is causing issues...

Best way to test drop one notch on the multi and adjust Vcore then accordingly ( to get leas heatoutput ) and test with an without LLC

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Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ

Im really having trouble getting 4 2gb kits stable. Im starting to think that my board just dosen't like this ram. Any tips would be appreciated. Im at a loss here. I just pulled out one kit and am stabilizing the oc on my chip to rule that out.
Thanks in advance.

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Try to get off the 1:1 Divider Baba and try eg 445 and 1066Mhz, or even 450 and 1080mhz... is it more stable then ? Also try to readjust ya NB Gtl value again... 3rdly 2.1Vdimm on my boards was already 2.18 measured with my DMM... do they really need that amount of voltage ?

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Originally Posted by Leeghoofd

Try to get off the 1:1 Divider Baba and try eg 445 and 1066Mhz, or even 450 and 1080mhz... is it more stable then ? Also try to readjust ya NB Gtl value again... 3rdly 2.1Vdimm on my boards was already 2.18 measured with my DMM... do they really need that amount of voltage ?

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I think a big part of my problem comes from my ram being 2 different revisions that ocz claims is the same ICs, they could be binned differently. :shrug: My older kit runs at (according to the sticker) 2.1v and the new kit runs at 2.2 (according to the sticker). Now that you mention it yes it is more stable at 1066 @ 445 the last time I tried them with my wolfdale. I tried my NB GTL at 0.68 and auto and it was more unstable. Ill try them at 1066 and 1080 and with a couple of different NB GTL settings and post back. Thanks.

Is anyone still getting the IASTOR.SYS error in the event manager with their P5Q Pro and the lastest Matrix Driver? I have tons of those errors in my event viewer. Although my system hasn't rebooted or crashed like the previous version did...

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Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ

I think a big part of my problem comes from my ram being 2 different revisions that ocz claims is the same ICs, they could be binned differently. :shrug: My older kit runs at (according to the sticker) 2.1v and the new kit runs at 2.2 (according to the sticker). Now that you mention it yes it is more stable at 1066 @ 445 the last time I tried them with my wolfdale. I tried my NB GTL at 0.68 and auto and it was more unstable. Ill try them at 1066 and 1080 and with a couple of different NB GTL settings and post back. Thanks.

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Maybe try .65 "or so" on the NB GTL, with my setup Auto peter'd out at around 440fsb, anything over .655 on my NB GTL is a no go. Seems all chips/boards are different tho.

Larry

Run mem 4-4-4-4 is possible in this mobo?
i cant run more low that 4-4-4-11

Well, I thought that I had a stable overclock. I was running prime for 8 hours, no errors. So, I decided to give IBT a shot and got a BSOD almost right away. I was running with loadline disabled which I never had any problems doing with my wolfdale. Vdroop is MUCH bigger with my quad, 0.07 from idle to load in prime. Even worse with IBT. I had to enable Loadline or else I would have had to run 1.43 idle just to keep my VCC at 1.33 in linpack load. I noticed that my quad does draw more than my dual at similar voltages and clock speeds. Is it normal for vdroop to be that bad with a quad?

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Originally Posted by BababooeyHTJ

Vdroop is MUCH bigger with my quad, 0.07 from idle to load in prime. Even worse with IBT. I had to enable Loadline or else I would have had to run 1.43 idle just to keep my VCC at 1.33 in linpack load. I noticed that my quad does draw more than my dual at similar voltages and clock speeds. Is it normal for vdroop to be that bad with a quad?

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Same thing...vroop becomes so high that you cant rely on it. When i set vcore to 1.393v on load it drops to ~1.33v (Q9550 C1)

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Originally Posted by xaver

Same thing...vroop becomes so high that you cant rely on it. When i set vcore to 1.393v on load it drops to ~1.33v (Q9550 C1)

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Yeah it's crazy. I set 1.42ish in bios and under full load with IBT cpu-z was reading 1.318. Obviosly it would bsod almost right away. I had to enable loadline and set my VCC to 1.344 and I passed 40 runs of IBT Now Im running prime again. If all goes well Ill run it over night. It wasn't even close to that bad with my wolfdale.

ASUS P5Q DLX Template :

JumperFree Configuration Settings
AI Overclock tuner: Manual
CPU Ratio Setting: 8
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 400
FSB Frequency: 505
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: 1010
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: AUTO
DRAM Timing Control: Manual

1st Information :

CAS# Latency: 5
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : AUTO
Row Refresh Cycle Time: 55
Write Recovery Time: AUTO
Read to Precharge Time: AUTO

2nd Information :

READ to WRITE Delay (S/D): AUTO
Write to Read Delay (S): AUTO
WRITE to READ Delay (D): AUTO
READ to READ Delay (S): AUTO
READ to READ Delay (D): AUTO
WRITE to WRITE Delay (S): AUTO
WRITE to WRITE Delay (D): AUTO

3rd Information :

WRITE to PRE Delay: AUTO
READ to PRE Delay: AUTO
PRE to PRE Delay: AUTO
ALL PRE to ACT Delay: AUTO
ALL PRE to REF Delay: AUTO
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Read Training: AUTO
MEM. OC Charger: AUTO
AI Clock Twister: LIGHT
AI Transaction Booster: AUTO

CPU Voltage: 1.28
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): 0.635
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): 0.635
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.56
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.34
DRAM Voltage: 2.06
NB Voltage: 1.26
NB GTL Reference: 0.635
SBridge Voltage: AUTO
PCIE SATA Voltage: AUTO

Load Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
CPU Clock Skew : Auto
NB Clock Skew : Auto

Advance CPU Settings
CPU Ratio Setting: Manual
CPU VID: Default
C1E Suppport: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel® Virtualization Tech: Disabled
Vanderpool Technology: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled

the above are my settings for the e8400. i was stable at 515 x 8 for about 8 hours on prime blend. i started to mess around with settings again to get 4.25 ghz but couldnt get any stable config. im reaching for 500 x 8.5 but cant get it stable... dunno what to try next. any suggestions?

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Originally Posted by jdmR

ASUS P5Q DLX Template :

JumperFree Configuration Settings
AI Overclock tuner: Manual
CPU Ratio Setting: 8
FSB Strap to North Bridge: 400
FSB Frequency: 505
PCI-E Frequency: 100
DRAM Frequency: 1010
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: AUTO
DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: AUTO
DRAM Timing Control: Manual

1st Information :

CAS# Latency: 5
DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5
DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5
DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15
RAS# to RAS# Delay : AUTO
Row Refresh Cycle Time: 55
Write Recovery Time: AUTO
Read to Precharge Time: AUTO

2nd Information :

READ to WRITE Delay (S/D): AUTO
Write to Read Delay (S): AUTO
WRITE to READ Delay (D): AUTO
READ to READ Delay (S): AUTO
READ to READ Delay (D): AUTO
WRITE to WRITE Delay (S): AUTO
WRITE to WRITE Delay (D): AUTO

3rd Information :

WRITE to PRE Delay: AUTO
READ to PRE Delay: AUTO
PRE to PRE Delay: AUTO
ALL PRE to ACT Delay: AUTO
ALL PRE to REF Delay: AUTO
DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
DRAM Read Training: AUTO
MEM. OC Charger: AUTO
AI Clock Twister: LIGHT
AI Transaction Booster: AUTO

CPU Voltage: 1.28
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): 0.635
CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): 0.635
CPU PLL Voltage: 1.56
FSB Termination Voltage: 1.34
DRAM Voltage: 2.06
NB Voltage: 1.26
NB GTL Reference: 0.635
SBridge Voltage: AUTO
PCIE SATA Voltage: AUTO

Load Line Calibration: Enabled
CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
CPU Clock Skew : Auto
NB Clock Skew : Auto

Advance CPU Settings
CPU Ratio Setting: Manual
CPU VID: Default
C1E Suppport: Disabled
Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
Intel® Virtualization Tech: Disabled
Vanderpool Technology: Disabled
CPU TM Function: Disabled
Execute Disable Bit: Disabled

the above are my settings for the e8400. i was stable at 515 x 8 for about 8 hours on prime blend. i started to mess around with settings again to get 4.25 ghz but couldnt get any stable config. im reaching for 500 x 8.5 but cant get it stable... dunno what to try next. any suggestions?

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Put your gtl's in auto ,i think also that with 1.34 fsb termination voltage your cpu will decrease faster oc capability.

If you watch 1 or 2 pages back you can see settings used on e8500 @4300.
Maybe your 8400 needs only a little more cpu voltage.

sorry, i meant 1.24 fsb termination voltage lol. i set it to 1.20 now and i pumped up the voltage to 1.3125 and changed the gtl's to auto. seems that cpu is stable but now blend is acting up.

Q6600 is better
463*8 or 423*9

??????

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Originally Posted by gugle

Q6600 is better
463*8 or 423*9

??????

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You can test which is better doing a SuperPi 32Mb to see which is faster.