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09-28-2009, 11:09 AM
eric66

29 september is launch day of 5850
09-28-2009, 11:18 AM
villa1n

take a tip from RAW, and Eprime.

"Instead of thinking the grass is green, I think the grass appears green to me. And this saves me a lot of time by the way, i dont get embroiled in arguments like beethoven is better than mozart, or rock is better than soul. I define such things as meaningless. And people get into arguments like that I just say, well, Beethoven seems better to me than Mozart most of the time, I don't say Beethoven is better than Mozart." from this.

In regards to Q3 vs CS/COD vs BF1942etc, its all opinion and preference, and there is no way of proving one is better than the other..as it is personal preference, and opinion which we re all entitled too. LOE, get into a CAL-I...no even a CAL-m scrim, and see how you do. Probably jsut the same as a person who doesn't play Q3/UT will do against a Top Q3 player. As for the randomness argument, most people like poker over chess. You cant tell me a pro poker player makes it the finals on luck alone, but it doesn't mean there isnt a little luck involved either fully calculated games, where the outcome is known tend to become boring, and if Q3 is like you say, totally calculated.. where is the fun in that.
09-28-2009, 11:32 AM
villa1n

Quote:

Originally Posted by eric66

29 september is launch day of 5850

I blame the thread derailment solely on ATI making us wait for 5850 numbers!!! ^^ Well shouldn't be long now, 3 hours till midnight in europe.
09-28-2009, 12:14 PM
prava

Quote:

Originally Posted by villa1n

"Instead of thinking the grass is green, I think the grass appears green to me. And this saves me a lot of time by the way, i dont get embroiled in arguments like beethoven is better than mozart, or rock is better than soul. I define such things as meaningless. And people get into arguments like that I just say, well, Beethoven seems better to me than Mozart most of the time, I don't say Beethoven is better than Mozart." from this.

In regards to Q3 vs CS/COD vs BF1942etc, its all opinion and preference, and there is no way of proving one is better than the other..as it is personal preference, and opinion which we re all entitled too. LOE, get into a CAL-I...no even a CAL-m scrim, and see how you do. Probably jsut the same as a person who doesn't play Q3/UT will do against a Top Q3 player. As for the randomness argument, most people like poker over chess. You cant tell me a pro poker player makes it the finals on luck alone, but it doesn't mean there isnt a little luck involved either fully calculated games, where the outcome is known tend to become boring, and if Q3 is like you say, totally calculated.. where is the fun in that.

There is a difference. First, I don't think anybody is talking about which game is better because obviously everybody has an opinion just as everybody has an a$$. What we where talking about was which game is the most demanding one skill-wise: an average player will never frag against a pro player while you can do it in plenty other games.

Also you named luck...Q3, like RTS, are not affected by luck. Which means that if you are really good and play against somebody which is not as good, you will NEVER lose. Never ever. This doesn't apply in probably the vast majory of games: all guns have their "range" and stuff and you can hit somebody even though you didn't aim...thats something it barely happens in Q3 (ok, you can air-rocket somebody...but if you are bad you will hit 1/100). Of course somebody better than you will have the highest chance, but if you are the luckest bastard ever, you will win. Thats all...

You know, just for the sake of comparison, CSS would be like poker and Q3 like chess: in the first one luck is involved, but its deffinitely not involved in the second one. Which of both is better? That depends on you...I like all four games, just depend on the situation ;)

Oh, jeezzzzzzzzzz, lets stop this frigging OT...

Anybody knows anything about the 5850? A Spaniard web mentioned NDA doesn't go off 'till wednesday..yet they haven't received the sample yet...weird..
09-28-2009, 12:34 PM
Vit^pr0n

This thread has turned into 5870/5850 into a "which games requires more skill" thread.

Posts should be deleted and warnings should be handed out imo.

With that said.. 5850 releases tomorrow so benchmarks should be out soon.
09-28-2009, 12:36 PM
Serra

I don't want to close the thread because a list of reviews is a pretty handy thing and the 58xx series is pretty new. OTOH this thread has been thoroughly derailed for days and is stinking up the news section with the trash talking between some pretty UL7R4 ><7R3/\/\3 |-|4RD(0R3 94/\/\3R5 (lol).

So I'm going to ship it off to the ATI forum and let the mods there decide what to do with you.
09-28-2009, 02:51 PM
Kylzer

Anyone got HD 5850 ?

i wana see some numbers please.
09-28-2009, 03:19 PM
onethreehill

Overclocking the Radeon 5870

Quote:

We weren't satisfied with the 900MHz core/1300MHz memory speeds we hit last week with our Radeon 5870 boards. We wanted to see how far ATI's latest ......

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/..._overclocking/
09-28-2009, 04:49 PM
ViRuS2k

Quote:

Originally Posted by onethreehill

Overclocking the Radeon 5870

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/..._overclocking/

This overclocking review is bogus.
clearly this guy is CPU bottle necking the card.

I7 @ stock

Thats why his scores are almost nearly the same thoughout the benchmarks.
the cards should scale better than those results with a 4.2 I7
09-28-2009, 06:57 PM
***Deimos***

Quote:

Originally Posted by ViRuS2k

This overclocking review is bogus.
clearly this guy is CPU bottle necking the card.

I7 @ stock

Thats why his scores are almost nearly the same thoughout the benchmarks.
the cards should scale better than those results with a 4.2 I7

5870 is 2x 4870.

If you use i7-3Ghz for 4870 review.

Then should use i7-6Ghz for 5870 :up:

FYI: like 90% of 5870 CF benchmark scores (everything except 2560x1600 8AA), are CPU limited. Results at all resolutions are almost the same.

This would be good time for Intel to release that 10Ghz CPU they had on their presentation slides for 5 years before C2D ;)
09-28-2009, 07:27 PM
Kylzer

Intel Tejas ftw lol
09-28-2009, 10:17 PM
Cuthalu

So... where are the 5850 reviews? Now is 29th.
09-28-2009, 11:10 PM
thatdude90210

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cuthalu

So... where are the 5850 reviews? Now is 29th.

Read somewhere it should be the 30th. So a little less than 24hrs.
09-28-2009, 11:58 PM
rusty

is 5890 should be better than 5870 ?
09-29-2009, 06:32 AM
JH_man

Anyone seen a test of a 5870 vs 2 4890 in crossfire?..
09-29-2009, 07:33 AM
jaredpace

Quote:

Originally Posted by JH_man

Anyone seen a test of a 5870 vs 2 4890 in crossfire?..

best i can do for you:
StalkerCS:
4890: 29 5870: 44 4890cf: 54 5870cf: 67
Crysis:
4890: 20 5870: 31 4890cf: 36 5870cf: 46
FC2:
4890: 45 5870: 80 4890cf: 90 5870cf: 150

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/ATI/Radeon..._1920_1200.gif http://tpucdn.com/reviews/ATI/HD_489..._1920_1200.gif

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/ATI/Radeon..._1920_1200.gif http://tpucdn.com/reviews/ATI/HD_489..._1920_1200.gif

http://tpucdn.com/reviews/ATI/Radeon..._1920_1200.gif http://tpucdn.com/reviews/ATI/HD_489..._1920_1200.gif
09-29-2009, 11:58 AM
***Deimos***

OMG. GT300 is 3.2 Billion transistors!
The beast is huge. Rumoured 384bit GDDR5 and 500 MIMD processors.

Its come from the future to finish off what 8800GTX started. Pwn Crysis!
09-29-2009, 01:50 PM
Origin_Unknown

Quote:

Originally Posted by ***Deimos***

OMG. GT300 is 3.2 Billion transistors!
The beast is huge. Rumoured 384bit GDDR5 and 500 MIMD processors.

Its come from the future to finish off what 8800GTX started. Pwn Crysis!

the last i checked this wasnt the gt300 thread? maybe im wrong?
09-29-2009, 05:38 PM
***Deimos***

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cuthalu

So... where are the 5850 reviews? Now is 29th.

Q
Will 5850 use the same PCB as 5870 and also feature eyeInfinity, or will we have to spend $$$ to get that.

Anybody here start working on hooking up 5th phase on GPU Vreg. (re its empty spot on PCB on 5870)
09-29-2009, 06:25 PM
onethreehill

Quote:

ATI HD 5870 Scaling Performance: X58 vs P55 Showdown
We compare the performance of AMD's latest HD 5870 GPU on Intel's latest Core i7/P55 platform to see if it...

http://anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.aspx?i=3649
09-29-2009, 08:02 PM
onethreehill

Radeon HD 5850 Reviews (CrossfireX)
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon...iew-crossfire/
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=20481
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1097/1/
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...5850,2433.html
http://anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3650
http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,6...rgain/Reviews/

AMD Radeon HD 5850 1GB Reviews
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=788
http://techreport.com/articles.x/17652
http://hothardware.com/articles/AMD-...rmance-Review/
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2009/...eo_card_review
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/...mance_preview/
09-29-2009, 09:05 PM
migunani

The performace of 5870 is lill bit disappointing.
i was expecting 5870 to be 10%-20% faster on avrg than gtx295 with early driver and 20%-40% with mature driver.
09-29-2009, 09:36 PM
nascasho

But for a single GPU it's amazingly impressive, you gotta admit that :)
09-29-2009, 11:21 PM
YukonTrooper

Quote:

Originally Posted by migunani

The performace of 5870 is lill bit disappointing.
i was expecting 5870 to be 10%-20% faster on avrg than gtx295 with early driver and 20%-40% with mature driver.

What?! In general, those are very unrealistic expectations. There are exceptions - a la G80 - but such monumental gains simply don't happen every generation. On a scale of 1-to-10 in comparison with the performance gains G80 brought to the table, I'd say the HD5870 is a solid 8. And remember, that's not even taking into account the significant performance/watt numbers.
09-30-2009, 04:26 PM
onethreehill

ATI Radeon HD 5870 Architecture Analysis
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/gra...ure-analysis/1

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