Forum Vs Naplam - Fasted real world storage solution

nice benches over this thread, yet, more important :

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Originally Posted by audienceofone

No bad I guess.....but if it is real speed you are after ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4picUSbFa4Y
(my other hobby when I'm not messing around with pc's.)

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Originally Posted by GullLars

Riding motorcycles are great for the speed and thrill, i prefer on the road, and not off-road though.
I perfer country roads in unpopulated areas where the speed limit is 80km/t (about 48mph), since you can take the turns pretty low, and still have hope of surviving whitout permanent damage if you whipe out. So far, i haven't had any accidents on my motorcycle, and i'd like to keep it that way :P

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you guys ride motorcycles!
awesome!
been riding for few years on an XR600R, first bike, then got a KTM 400 for few months and now, yesterday, just got an old XT350 with a bombastic engine, it beats the heck out of the KTM!

anyway, was riding a 350 royal enfield in india for few month,
went from goa north with it, Kashmir,
might post some pictures later on,
if you dig adventures and like the small roads,
this is the place of your dreams!

wow napalm your cache is working very nicely!
surprised you cant master alignment yet :)
if you get off the XP dinosaur, Win7 does it automatically!

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Originally Posted by onex

anyway, was riding a 350 royal enfield in india for few month,

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Nice :cool:
My favorite place to ride is Wales. I did a tour across Marroco but broke my wrist on the third day, which was kind of lucky in a way cos I had at least two close shaves with death before that. I managed to get across Andorra in one piece and that was fun.

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Originally Posted by GullLars

80km/t (about 48mph),

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lol I was going faster than that in that video in some places. Mind you the road is a more dangerous place to be.
Oh, just remembered this is s storage forum……

and off-topic,
OCZ-Z drive seems to be the first? PCI-e bootable drive and which supports TRIM.., so lowfat and maybe others, this might be a start of a new decade for you, and something you have been waiting for to be :).

E:
never mind, forget it.

This is off topic here, but i will finish the sub-discussion:
I said the speed limit on the coutry roads i like to ride on is 80km/h (the general unpopulated area speed limit in norway), not that i drive that fast/slow :P I often ride 110-120km/h where it's relatively safe to (both stretches and turns), but i like cruising around 80-100km/h (50-60mph) since i'm riding a Yamaha Virago (inhereted from my father. It's simelar to Dragstar) and not a "R" something. The norwegian country roads are also mostly surrounded by forests, mountains, and lakes, and the road is generally pretty narrow, so it doesn't feel slow like going the same speed on a highway. Tunell vision often sets in around 150km/h (90mph) on such roads when there's forest on the sides. There's also the factor that there's animals along or crossing the roads from time to time, so it's not fun having to emergency-break for a deer or an elk(/moose?) when going above 60mph, or having hares scare you when popping out.

Back to topic.
I'm curious to see real world results with the new gen Z-drive. The bandwidth is nice, and IOPS is OK, as opposed to the last generation.

the big deal about the Z-drive is about it's "bootability"..
if it is being bootable, then every company in the market would be able to create a bootable PCI-e drive,
that might as well bring it more mainstream, and they're prices are not that high as well, about 1000-2000$ for 256GB (the P88 is 2400$ for 512GB).

if you compare it to the IOXtreme, both speed capacity and price, you can see how far we have gone..

by the way, Micron PCI-e drive should be announced this year, 2010.

on topic -
i really though you'd be interested in these pictures,
you don't have to be so computer nerdi guys ;).

E: or in other words, no offense,
yet a bit self obsessed egoists.

yea thing about the z-drive is its basically a raid card with storage slapped physically on it. i believe its latest iterations are the same. so it has an independent processor and "operating system" allowing it to boot.
unfortunately, ideally, this is the very type of scenario they are looking to negate, as the processor/computation (OS) is the overhead they are trying to get out from under. at least to my understanding..

i don't know exactly how it works, yet, not sure if the processor can boot the card then it has to slow down the whole operation of it,
it can have some side trigger or function, irelated to it's working pattern...

they always paint a marvelous picture (and i'm eating it :shakes:)
after a while, you start seeing the caveats.

anyway,
it's only playing maximum of 7200 Write IOP's and 29,000 read at QD of 32,
i'm wondering what is going on with these guys, and why can't they match the speeds of they're LE's atleast with these capacities.. (starting 512GB)...

Well, you can make faster and better sollutions yourself with a LSI 9211-4/8i (dependent on your bandwidth needs), 4-8 SSDs in RAID-0, a screw driver, and a roll of duct tape.
You could get a bootable 320GB device with 1400MB/s read, 300MB/s write, 100K++ IOPS read, and 80K IOPS write for roughly $1000-1200. (8R0 x25-V on LSI 9211-8i)
If you need more write speed and will use compressible files, you could go for 4 SF-1200 60GB (after the new firmware) on 9211-4i and get 1GB/s+ read and write (800/500 raw) and 100K+ read 40K write IOPS and 240GB for about the same price.
An option for max capacity and bandwidth at a budget could be 8R0 JMF612 64GB on LSI 9211-8i for 512GB, 1500-1600MB/s read, 800-900MB/s write, 40K IOPS read, 20-40K IOPS write, for about $1500.
8R0 x25-M 80GB on LSI 9211-8i would give about: 1800-2000MB/s read, 600MB/s write, 100K++ IOPS read, 100K+ IOPS write, 640GB, and cost roughly $1800-2000.

What OCZ did to make the Z-drive perform so badly on IOPS, i have no idea. It gets beaten by most new SATA SSDs... The bandwidth is also poor compared to the capacity. The price isn't nice either.

@GullLars: Any particular reason you like the 9211 better than the 9260?

I think he was trying to find a configuration with the same or better performance for a lower price, 9260 is twice+ as much as the 9211. (for nowhere near twice the performance as tilt's numbers show)

exactly. The 9211 is the cheapest way to get bootable high IOPS and high bandwidth. The only difference to the 9260 is cache and adjustable stripe size, wich don't give that much of a benefit compared to the added price, at least not in configurations costing in total below $1000-1500.

u can get the intel 9210 with 8-64 stripe size ;)

I haven't heard much about the 9210, any other differences? Is it also whitout cache? Bootable? And about the same price?

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u can get the intel 9210 with 8-64 stripe size

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wtf is intel 9210?!?
you probably meant the 8x X25M's on an LSI 9210..

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Well, you can make faster and better sollutions yourself with a LSI 9211-4/8i (dependent on your bandwidth needs), 4-8 SSDs in RAID-0, a screw driver, and a roll of duct tape.
You could get a bootable 320GB device with 1400MB/s read, 300MB/s write, 100K++ IOPS read, and 80K IOPS write for roughly $1000-1200. (8R0 x25-V on LSI 9211-8i)
If you need more write speed and will use compressible files, you could go for 4 SF-1200 60GB (after the new firmware) on 9211-4i and get 1GB/s+ read and write (800/500 raw) and 100K+ read 40K write IOPS and 240GB for about the same price.
An option for max capacity and bandwidth at a budget could be 8R0 JMF612 64GB on LSI 9211-8i for 512GB, 1500-1600MB/s read, 800-900MB/s write, 40K IOPS read, 20-40K IOPS write, for about $1500.
8R0 x25-M 80GB on LSI 9211-8i would give about: 1800-2000MB/s read, 600MB/s write, 100K++ IOPS read, 100K+ IOPS write, 640GB, and cost roughly $1800-2000.

What OCZ did to make the Z-drive perform so badly on IOPS, i have no idea. It gets beaten by most new SATA SSDs... The bandwidth is also poor compared to the capacity. The price isn't nice either.

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i think the price is nice and features are compared to the IOXtreme.. and we should wait to see what Micron is bringing on with they're product later on -should be this year-,

i'm REALLY curious about Foremay's drive, to see how capable they are and if they bring PCI-e SSD's to a higher standard.

as for the Z-drive,
i'm thinking it is going to be only space aware drive for people who need few of them in an array, build on a single MB.
a single can scale up to 2TB and speed scales with capacity, IOP's would scale with more drives..
other wise, it seem simply silly, like, we got money, -we don't mind spending- attitude from companies-.

other then that, it has the capability of changing memory modules for future upgrades, maybe bigger then 2TB for future products, the modules themselfs would probably cost less then replacing a whole PCI-e card and full disk array.
last thing, is they can't have xor RAID without a raid controller, the 9211 won't satisfy them,
here they can get everything on a single drive without the need to raid it,
so it saves both money from that aspect and risk of losing data or paying extra for redundancy..
think, they would have to buy 4 disks for every 2 they are using, for raid 5,
bad chips can be swapped with spares while operating by the controller, bad modules, can be replaced by new ones.
don't think raid 0 for such setups,
these setups with 8 drive array on R0 are only to be seen at enthusiast platforms/ forums etc,
this can be quite confusing when you have to understand that companies actually USE these speeds and setups and not only flagging them :).
doubtfully any professional would risk his server or workstation data for gaining a world record speed ;).

no the 9210 was the test sample for intel.
Intel has the same controller with LSI 9211 but the only different that it has is that u can change the stripe size for the controller.

Talking about PCIe SSDs, Stec is launching a new one shortly, though it's for the enterprise market.

but the 9210 has never seen the light of day...are you saying the intel 9211 equivalent can change stripe sizes though? because i have cross flashed intel FW's onto the 9260. so if intel has a setting allowing stripe size modification for their re-branded 9211, logic would dictate you could cross flash the FW....

The 9211 is locked from chip u cant change brand firmware. The 9210 saw the day light through intel.
Now the LSI can change the 9211's stripe size using IT firmware, cant say much forgive me :)

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