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09-04-2007, 05:15 PM
hawkeyefan

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Originally Posted by MR_SmartAss

Both SuperPi and specFP_rate are not representing the real-world performance for server computing. Anyway, a CPU that performs good in SuperPi, also performs good in games.

+1:yepp:

I can't wait to see the full suite of benchies people will run on Barcelona so I can finally grab a quad, whether AMD or Intel:D
09-04-2007, 05:34 PM
Fixxxer

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Originally Posted by MR_SmartAss

Then why all Netburst sux in Super Pi, while K8 kicks the crap out of them? :rolleyes:

Give a Netburst 6GHz+ and tell me, who craps out who? :D ;)
09-04-2007, 05:47 PM
Start

Be wary of stuff like this..
http://img458.imageshack.us/img458/6606/ekafbz5.gif

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/7...ona1ph6.th.jpg http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/1...ona2rs4.th.jpg http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/6...ona3ua6.th.jpg

Clearly the above is fake, just doing it to show you how wary you should be of benchmarks these next couple of days.
09-04-2007, 08:09 PM
Plywood99

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Originally Posted by Jacky

no not necessarily, the improvement from "B00 chip from May to a B02" is probably due to some important parts being turned of in the B00 (maybe L3 or even L2) - the fact that *some parts were turned off* was already stated somewhere - thus it tells us nothing about the retail barcelona.
and most agree that coolaler's results show a B01 that is going to launch on sept. 10, however we don't know if the results aren't fake.
but don't forget that gary also said this about the results:

6 more days until we find out :)

My comment was solely dealing with the credibility of Gary Key, nothing else. He was a long time bencher here on XS and was offered a job over at Anand. The man is fully credible.

Personally I don't care if Phenom/Barcelona is a Core2duo destroyer or not, as long as it is decently competitive, and overclocks well. I am plainly a Amd fan but not a fanboy, and will choose their products over Intel's 90% of the time. I'm glad only server chips are out in September, allows time to ramp up the clocks for Phenom. I've stated in posts some time ago that Amd had serious issues with k10 process, and I'm hopeful these will be ironed out for the Phenom launch late 07/early 08...

Ply
09-04-2007, 11:22 PM
Dresdenboy

Quote:

Originally Posted by MR_SmartAss

Both SuperPi and specFP_rate are not representing the real-world performance for server computing. Anyway, a CPU that performs good in SuperPi, also performs good in games.

But if this particular CPU also performs good in any other app, then there is no such strong relation Super Pi <-> games, but that this CPU is good at any kind of code.

Super Pi uses x87 code, depends on memory acesses (so a good cache + memory prefetchers will help) and has many loops, where Conroe's macro op fusion helps a lot.
09-05-2007, 08:47 AM
Donnie27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Plywood99

My comment was solely dealing with the credibility of Gary Key, nothing else. He was a long time bencher here on XS and was offered a job over at Anand. The man is fully credible.

Personally I don't care if Phenom/Barcelona is a Core2duo destroyer or not, as long as it is decently competitive, and overclocks well. I am plainly a Amd fan but not a fanboy, and will choose their products over Intel's 90% of the time. I'm glad only server chips are out in September, allows time to ramp up the clocks for Phenom. I've stated in posts some time ago that Amd had serious issues with k10 process, and I'm hopeful these will be ironed out for the Phenom launch late 07/early 08...

Ply

QFT! How else can we solve all of the my Speculation is better than your Speculation crap? 5 more days, phew.
09-05-2007, 11:33 AM
doompc

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/8329/13sex6.gif

:eek:
09-05-2007, 12:13 PM
biohead

if 13s @ 2.0 ghz is true (doubt it, hope so though), i'd rather see 2M/4M to be the norm. 1M would be the new 128k. click done.
09-05-2007, 12:16 PM
dave_graham

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jacky

no not necessarily, the improvement from "B00 chip from May to a B02" is probably due to some important parts being turned of in the B00 (maybe L3 or even L2) - the fact that *some parts were turned off* was already stated somewhere - thus it tells us nothing about the retail barcelona.
and most agree that coolaler's results show a B01 that is going to launch on sept. 10, however we don't know if the results aren't fake.
but don't forget that gary also said this about the results:

6 more days until we find out :)

B1 will not be the launch core so coolater's results are invalid.

dave
09-05-2007, 12:32 PM
SOLDNER-MOFO64

Quote:

Originally Posted by biohead

if 13s @ 2.0 ghz is true (doubt it, hope so though), i'd rather see 2M/4M to be the norm. 1M would be the new 128k. click done.

Have faith mate......13s will be slow for these babies :)
09-05-2007, 01:29 PM
dave_graham

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Originally Posted by MR_SmartAss

B1 has the CPU_ID registers with full CPU name and model and without the "Engineering Sample" or "ES" strings. Are you sure B1 is not the launch stepping?

yes. quite sure. the launch stepping is different and will have a different nom de guerre. Can't disclose the exact stepping version due to NDA restrictions but it's not B1.

cheers,

dave
09-05-2007, 03:59 PM
doompc

SP33DFR34K, where did you find those images?

dave_graham, is it true that AMD's NDA include ritual suicide ? :D
09-05-2007, 04:37 PM
dave_graham

no ritual suicide.

dave
09-05-2007, 06:57 PM
JumpingJack

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Originally Posted by dave_graham

yes. quite sure. the launch stepping is different and will have a different nom de guerre. Can't disclose the exact stepping version due to NDA restrictions but it's not B1.

cheers,

dave

Curious, care to venture a prediction on how a 2P Barcelona Opty 2350 (@ 2.0 GHz) might stack up against a 2P Opty 2224 (@ 3.2 GHz)?
09-05-2007, 07:58 PM
Start

Quote:

Originally Posted by doompc

SP33DFR34K, where did you find those images?

dave_graham, is it true that AMD's NDA include ritual suicide ? :D

Oh I made them to prove a point. Very easy to make REALLY believable images. So don't believe everything you hear these next couple of days no matter how realistic the proof may look.
09-05-2007, 08:18 PM
hawkeyefan

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Originally Posted by SP33DFR34K

Oh I made them to prove a point. Very easy to make REALLY believable images. So don't believe everything you hear these next couple of days no matter how realistic the proof may look.

Point taken but in reality, it depends on the source.

Nobody is going to believe that DT or AT are faking screens, for example. FUDziller or Inq maybe:D

Which is pretty much common sense:up:
09-05-2007, 08:23 PM
Start

Quote:

Originally Posted by hawkeyefan

Point taken but in reality, it depends on the source.

Nobody is going to believe that DT or AT are faking screens, for example. FUDziller or Inq maybe:D

Which is pretty much common sense:up:

Of course, even as much as I am rooting AMD for their next gen processors, there is no way they can pull that kind of time with 2Ghz because from what I have experience, AMD generally doesn't do so well with SuperPi. So something that beats a 4Ghz Core 2 Duo plus the performance drop of using an AMD processor for Super Pi boggles the mind.

Common sense + Logic these next couple of days please :)
09-05-2007, 11:05 PM
gallag

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Originally Posted by SOLDNER-MOFO64

Have faith mate......13s will be slow for these babies :)

Are you saying @ 2ghz the AMD k10 quad core will finish pi 1m in under 13 seconds? That would be amazing.

coincidently, If it does, Will pi become relevant as a benchmark again?
09-05-2007, 11:42 PM
Motiv

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Originally Posted by gallag

Are you saying @ 2ghz the AMD k10 quad core will finish pi 1m in under 13 seconds? That would be amazing.

coincidently, If it does, Will pi become relevant as a benchmark again?

All Benchmarks are relevant. There will never be a fair benchmark that can bench two different CPUs.
09-06-2007, 12:04 AM
SOLDNER-MOFO64

Quote:

Originally Posted by gallag

Are you saying @ 2ghz the AMD k10 quad core will finish pi 1m in under 13 seconds? That would be amazing.

coincidently, If it does, Will pi become relevant as a benchmark again?

From the benches I've been priveledged enough to see the results of (:))a 2ghz K10 will score around a 19sec 1M Pi time......at 3ghz approx 12secs.

:up:
09-06-2007, 12:10 AM
RedBull78

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Originally Posted by SOLDNER-MOFO64

From the benches I've been priveledged enough to see the results of (:))a 2ghz K10 will score around a 19sec 1M Pi time......at 3ghz approx 12secs.

:up:

If that happens to be true then god bless AMD.
09-06-2007, 12:50 AM
hawkeyefan

Quote:

Originally Posted by SP33DFR34K

Common sense + Logic these next couple of days please :)

QFT:up:
09-06-2007, 12:51 AM
Motiv

Quote:

Originally Posted by SOLDNER-MOFO64

From the benches I've been priveledged enough to see the results of (:))a 2ghz K10 will score around a 19sec 1M Pi time......at 3ghz approx 12secs.

:up:

Not often you get someone staking their reputation on the line like that. You better be right else you can expect no one believing a word from you in the future.

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