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little comparison, you said there were like for example 128 factoriesQuote:
Originally Posted by LOE
but the truth is there are 64 factories which are just twice as big as before
(note,i dont say K10 has 64 SSE units btw,i can forsee that someone (inparticular) would quote this phrase and says that K10 doesnt have 64 SSE units,well duh )
Ok, mea culpa on that... the titles look suspicious.Quote:
Originally Posted by red
But i didn't link a blog i linked a article, and i stand for what i've said, after a week that went from K10 in Q2 at 2.4ghz unable to go further, to K10 in Q1 at 2.6Ghz to 2.4Ghz at lauch but just because AMD don't need more, that was a refreshing article.
LOL, love your logic. AMDs inability to raise clocks is turned into another hype from a fanboy.. Just like brisbanes performs better too right, thats why they are just to hit 2.7Ghz now while 90nm can do 3Ghz. :yepp:Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleZero
And if you cant see the site in questions uber AMD bias you are worse than all those together you call fanboys of another company.
An article or blog doesn´t matter if the writer is the same and using the same mentality all the way. But I guess its ok just to makeup all kind of things for the love of AMD. Lets just not hope it dissapoints as much as R600.
I cant wait till we see the actual product in action, besides at Computex.
Seems like
LOL, you win the fanboy award!
Because your brisbane and a few others doesn´t mean everyone clocks to the sky. Just like all C2Ds dont do 3.6Ghz. :ROTF:
And I´m sure AMD would have replaced their prescott style 3Ghz CPUs with 65nm if they could. But again, you seem out of educational reach. i wonder what your excuse will be when a 2.4Ghz K10 aint enough, unless specfp_rate is all you do.
Shintai,AMD needs other (90nm) fab up and running...I guess you can understand that,can you?
It means they use all they have and balance the product portfolio:90nm F3 for highest speed bins in A64 X2 and Opteron line,90nm F2 for mid range A64 X2 and single core line and 65nm for low-mid range(Bisbanes).
They do need the capacity for the K10 QC parts since the die size is quite large.
K10 dual cores will be much easier to produce and bin higher(even if it costs them some % in higher TDP specs)
I believe you mean to say "Just like all C2Ds dont do 3Ghz"Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
Because every chip has a different wall
??? :confused: 1. Where does this arbitrary 2.4Ghz K10 number keep coming from? 2. Also, how do you go about talking about Q2 first, then going about to Q1? Word to the wise, Sci is delusional and can't keep facts and fiction apart and never cites his numbers. So I guess the point of the article was that Sci thinks that AMD doesn't "need" 2.6GHz. Or maybe AMD can't clock them high enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleZero
ok... I am not sure why the cooler part was thrown in as Shintai was talking about process performance I believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by DoubleZero
informal, how long is their 90nm going to run? It seems like AMD will continue to pump out their fastest K8s on it even near the end of 2007 http://images.tomshardware.com/2006/...m_dualcore.jpg
And where is the evidence that AMD will make native dual K10 rather than disabled quads?
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http://www.vr-zone.com/?i=5078
[AMD Phenom Launch Schedule & Roadmap]
Nothing too new, but in a pretty chart.Quote:
* AMD targets Barcelona to launch in Summer 2007 and expects ramp in frequency and volume subsequently. We can expect low clocked Barcelona in August timeframe
* Phenom series to be launched in Nov-Dec with DVT samples in Sep/Oct timeframe
* Phenom FX AM2+ part called FX-80 in Q4 timeframe and TDP for the FX series are yet to be determined
* 45nm Deneb, Propus, Regor and Sargas STARS cores in H2 2008
* Single-core Lima has been removed from the roadmap so single-core Orleans will be replaced by dual-core Rana in Q1 next year. The mainstream segment will shift from single core to dual core by early next year
* AMD expects to provide next schedule update in July
If I recall correctly ,in one interview D.Mayer said 90nm production will last until the end of 2007.
And chart you linked shows a 6000+ at TDP of 89W in Q3 which is remarkable for the die size and clocks for that CPU on 90nm process.
I think, your example is a bit off. How would you explain the parallel addition of 2 64 bit doubles in those widened factories?Quote:
Originally Posted by GoThr3k
IMO a better analogy is the lock-step operation of two 64 bit mem controllers to build a 128 bit mem channel. BTW, "lock step operation" is even mentioned in an AMD patent regarding the new FPU.
They really physically added 64 bit capable copies of the original subunits of the FPU and even a somewhat narrower register file (which doesn't need to support 80 bit FP values). Thus it's very likely that SSE 128 works by additionally using those extensions to do the calculations of the upper half of the values in the SSE registers.
So actually all the terms "widened execution", "doubled units", "extended FPU" fit :)
Here is a link to Hans de Vries' page with a K10 die plot, which names the different units. Those of the original FPU are the same as on K8, which he described in detail in his often cited Opteron article.
http://chip-architect.com/news/2007_...us_Images.html
FASN8 wanted here :D
More NN BS.Quote:
Originally Posted by nn_step
Show me a C2D that won't do 3GHz and I guarantee you it is because of a board limitation. Not the chip.
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070621/ahead..._amd.html?.v=1Quote:
AP
Ahead of the Bell: AMD
Thursday June 21, 9:16 am ET
Advanced Micro Devices Shares Jump in Premarket Session After Analyst Upgrades to 'Buy'
NEW YORK (AP) -- Shares of chip maker Advanced Micro Devices Inc. jumped in premarket trading on Thursday after an analyst upgraded the stock, and suggested the company has regained market share from rival Intel Corp.
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Stifel Nicolaus analyst Cody Acree upgraded the stock to a short-term "Buy" from "Neutral," and set a $17 price target on it.
"We believe the first-quarter's underperformance was not representative of AMD's true end demand and that second-quarter revenue will likely recover a portion of first-quarter's shortfall," Acree wrote in a client note.
Acree also thinks the Sunnyvale, Calif., company has regained one or two percentage points of market share, and believes second-quarter sales will exceed the consensus estimate for 1.5 percent sequential growth.
In April, the company forecast second-quarter sales would be flat or slightly higher. Analysts expect, on average, a second-quarter loss of 85 cents per share on $1.25 billion in revenue,
AMD is scheduled to host an analyst day on Thursday, July 26.
AMD shares traded at $13.88 in the premarket session, up 24 cents from Wednesday's closing price of $13.64. Shares of Santa Clara, Calif.-based Intel traded at $23.91, down 3 cents from Wednesday's closing price of $23.94.
Um, isn't this the Barcelona thread?
Yes it is,but i didn't want to spam the News Section with this one since we are talking about AMD's fab resources and manufacturing,and this is closely related with that.Seems that 90nm fab produces quite competitive products to be fazed out just yet :)l
Wow, just after the analysts completely trashed AMD... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
I have to agree with Hector.Quote:
THE CEO of AMD, Hector Ruiz, made a speech at the Antitrust Institute's National Conference this morning in Washington, DC.
You will probably not be surprised that he hit out at Intel. He said in the keynote at the annual event that Google, Microsoft, HP and Dell all owe their existence "to the simple fact that competition replaced forced exclusivity" and allowed a variety of players to compete and succeed.
But, he said, HP and Dell are Chipzilla victims with Intel being "another monopoly that is systematically raising prices and slowing innovation and has done so unchecked for years. It's an old story by now, but still a dangerous one."
He said: "Intel uses illegal tactics explicity aimed at preventing customers from doing business with AMD." He cited the Japanese case, competition investigations by South Korea and the EU, and its own lawsuit in the States.
He said: "The IT industry is being held hostage by Intel - a fact that has detrimental effects across the board, and it has gone on for too long." Customers get hit by less choice and PC manufacturers depend on rebates and "must sacrifice their brand in favour of promoting Intel."
He alleged that tactics Chipzilla is using against the OLPC are "unethical" with Intel being "a monopolist wholly focused on protecting its market position regardless of the expense or harm to consumers."
Ruiz described himself as a businessman "who has seen and felt the pain of a monopoly run amok first hand." µ
You forgot to bold "suggested".Quote:
Originally Posted by informal
Since the stock rose the demand did. So anyone checked who bought the stocks? If AMD is actually getting bought privately one by one. or maybe it was the not goign asset light announcement that trigged it.
Actually, there's a 2.8ghz capable e6600 chip for sale right now in the cpu/motherboard area. To get it to 3, the seller says you really have to give it juice.Quote:
Originally Posted by mstp2009
Ryan
Not gonna happen.Quote:
If AMD is actually getting bought privately one by one.
Yeah, the current batch of E6600s suck :banana:Quote:
Originally Posted by FghtinIrshNvrDi
:shakes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan
Perhaps could he offer the difference beetwen his salary and the one of Ottelini to the olpc project, this would be more than 39000 olpc for "poor" childs... (at actual 175$ price...)
... hypocrite (is it the coorect english word?)
No, a few others can do 3.2/3.3ghz with brisbanes, everyone can reach 2.9/3ghz... and that's 200/300mhz higher then a 2700mhz brisbane, just in case you can't do the math...Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
A 2600mhz brisbane has been around since Q1, so yes it was really a problem for AMD to reach 100mhz more.
And just look at the TDP of the 2700mhz brisbane, so yes it cleary shows the problems AMD had to release a 2700mhz brisbane.
Yes i'm the fanboy here. I'm the one thread-crapping in Intel threads...
My excuse? What excuse? Can you quote me or link me for any excuse that i've made? Can you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shintai
Why should i make a excuse? Did you see me brag K10? Quote, link? Can you? You can't can you?
Here, i'll make two for you.
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Originally Posted by DoubleZero
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Originally Posted by DoubleZero
Those numbers came from 3 diferent sites in just one week, sites that are linked everyday on this forum, weird that you missed that, you seem so well informed, you got spec scores ready to use... weird selective info.Quote:
Originally Posted by red
They got nothing to do with that article, those aren't his numbers... if you read the post where is the link to his article, it's pretty obvious, and that obsession with the guy can't be healthy.
Was there any other possibility ? :ROTF:Quote:
Originally Posted by Zytek_Fan
What does hypocrite have anything to do with the difference between their respective salary? It is Intel who is trying bully and monopolize the OLPC market.Quote:
Originally Posted by nemrod
If you can't come up with proof that AMD had 2.4GHz roadmapped initially, changed to 2.6GHz, then back to 2.4GHz, or any proof that AMD has 2.4GHz running internally, I can only say that you are talking out off your *** and are more interested in flaming then discussing.