gabe,
I'm with the rest of the guys on the MCW30 4-point mounting would be nice. I'd also like to see a MCW30 special mount for the SB of the eVGA 680i. I will pickup 2 sets of each if you get this produced for the 680i boards I have.
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gabe,
I'm with the rest of the guys on the MCW30 4-point mounting would be nice. I'd also like to see a MCW30 special mount for the SB of the eVGA 680i. I will pickup 2 sets of each if you get this produced for the 680i boards I have.
but are you designing blocks? Are you working on something different then what is out already.Quote:
Originally Posted by serialk11r
Those guys are trying for something different.
There is a lot of pride in having something that you DIY.
So think twice before you heckle, because that "rough/ugly, and or "aluminum" block could be the next block you want for your system, and who ever came up with it, will be making money, and some of that money, would come from your pocket.
What we talk about here is not the end all be all of PC/watercooling/OCing just more here take things to the next level and beyond.
WE are all in the same game, just different teams.
^^^ One of the best statements in the whole thread!Quote:
Originally Posted by phelan1777
Gabe,
I don't know if its commercially viable, but here is the list of blocks I would buy if available:
G80/G81 MCW-Ramcool, preferrably with 3/8" barbs
Mosfet blocks, akin to the Alphacool HeatTraps, simple blocks, with G1/4" fittings
A thin profile SB block that allows the use of all three PCI-E slots
I understand that the market forces show a massive popularity with the EVGA motherboard. I myself am partial to the Asus Striker Extreme. Therefore, perhaps some "kit" set offerrings would be good.
well comparing the two blocks right now. My d-tek fusion runs a TAD bit higher then the GTX in a BOW.Quote:
Originally Posted by bito
In Real Life Data with my loop, which is running a heck of a lot of components. On dual DDC-2
I am geting about 4-5C higher in load, which is iany's original estimates....
And i idle about 2-3C higher.
I hope this helps
Also gabe, any chance you can update the MCW-6500T with a 437W tec? i hear 226W is getting phased out. And i dont want to buy a MCW-6500T and throw out that 226W tec. :\
Bah... thank god people on this forum know how to do stuff properly, i think if it wasnt for serial, id still be planning to put a 226W on a Q6600. :P
Let's put things into perspective. We're talking about the pinnacle of an intensively competitive market, with lots of compelling products. There is some level of product differentiation butr not enough to greatly affect consumer choices. Up to some point, demand is also generally inelastic relative to pricing. As far as brand loyalty, D-Tek is not a newcomer to the industry, but its claim to fame is a relatively new event. I guess there is little to no brand loyalty among hardware enthusiasts, I guess besides me lol
On a 50 degree base load temp, a 3 C difference is the equivalent of a 6% absolute improvement, and who know how much when comparing block relative to block. A 5 C load difference, if attainable, is the same as a bases-loaded home run as far as I'm concerned.
So far, I'm not seeing 5 C differences but I am definitely seeing 3C differences, noting that the D-Tek FuZion and the Apogee GT are basically on par with each other.
i wanna make an assumption. It might not be correct, so dont flame me for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by IanY
But from what i noticed, is my d-tek seems to have a max performance on flow. Meaning, if i crank my pumps up more, i get hardly any beneifits in temps. But on the apogeeGTX, its more senstive to flow.
Either way, both are great blocks. I have both, i use both. Well the GTX is stilling on my desk, but i may swap out my cr.. i mean apogee... *looking at gabe break his pencil* for the GTX in some future.
But anyhow, any chances of a petlier swap on the MCW-6500T??? Im sure your also interested in this too iany. The 226W wont be enough for a quad core according to all the pro's over at the TEC forum.
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Originally Posted by NaeKuh
You are correct. Me adding more pumping power really does very little for the D-Tek Fuzion. On the other hand, if I were to use a MCP655/D5 pump and turn it down to the "1" setting, the GT/GTX would suffer; well, so would the FuZion, but I think you got my point.
Regarding the 226W peltier, I have no used the MCW6500T so I mustn't comment on what I don't have first hand experience.
PhillyBoy tells me that someone has brought his Kentsfield up to 3.9 Ghz fully stable (ie, not just for suicide runs) with the MCW6500T. That is extremely impressive and I am envious.
On the other hand, there are a lot of people b-ing and moaning about how inadequate the 226W is. One notable person is the XS member in the TEC section that cannot get his E6600 to 4 Ghz. Granted, it isn't as though anyone issued a guaranty of 4.0 Ghz for any cpu lol :)
The problem with a 436W TEC for example is that the Meanwell S320 is no longer useful. And, if members in the TEC section are right, if a high quality PSU like a PC Power & Cooling 1kW-SR will burn up its wires supporting such a TEC, what other appealing options are there?
*sigh*.... guess im staying with water....
nikhsub1 and others, am I right in thinking that the reason the Apogee GT's and GTX's are bowed is to increase the thermal bond between the waterblock and the area of the IHS on the Processor that is above the hottest part of the cores in a Quad Core (and Core2Duo?), and helps because it goes some way to overcoming the non-flat surface of the IHS?Quote:
Originally Posted by nikhsub1
If so, would it be true that if the IHS and waterblock were lapped suitably, that the bowing of the GT's and GTX's would not help decrease temperatures any further, or is there likely to still be some benefit gained from bowing? I presume it stands for both Quad and Dual Core.
Cheers, and hi to everyone. In the process of putting together a shopping list for my first watercooled attempt, so it will be interesting to see if there is a "clear" winner out of the latest and greatest water blocks.
Keep up the good work guys!
Welcome to XS!
You are correct if you really believe that you can lap your IHS perfectly flat. I have no such confidence in my abilities. Shiny does not necessarily equal flat.
There most probably be no clear winner in any of these showdowns. Results are for all the interpret, and more likely than not, all sides will claim victory in some form or another.
VaguelyAmused, the bowed base is creating more mount pressure between base of block and IHS. The apogee GT's base will deflect, even when bowed. I would imagine that the bowed base once mounted with say 50lbs of pressure would become almost flat against the IHS. A non bowed apogee would likely become somewhat concave when mounted do to flex.
We all have to remember that a bowed base is a one way street. Once you bow that sucker and mount it, you must keep it that way else the base is ruined (read never again flat). The apogee is not the only block that can be bowed either, any square block can be bowed - all bowing is is altering the pressure geometry between IHS and base.
I can attest to Nikhsub1's statement that bowing is a one way street. I have tried re-installing the low profile washer and the temps were a disaster.
I like these forums :D cheers for the quick replies guys.
IanY, first attempt at metal lapping (after practicing on some scraps first), have figured a telescope mirror before though, but I cannot attest to my skills with metal unfortunately, so for best performance bowing is the way to go with the GT/GTX.
I would tend to agree with you aswell that there will more than likely be no outright winner. However, one factor that could decide it in the D-Tek's favour (for me) is if it offers comparable (+/- 1 or 2 deg) performance to the GTX bowed then it would seem a clear choice as it avoids the required bowing (easy, hassle or otherwise) of the GTX.
nikhsub1, I think I understand the reasoning behind the bowing better now, makes perfect sense. cheers.
And phelan1777, thanks for the welcome :)
it's not so much the mirror finish you're after. some have said that that actually starts hurting performance again with that smooth a finish. you're just trying to make the surface totally flat. the experts recommend going up to 800grit, not 2000
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Originally Posted by VaguelyAmused
I hope you are aware that the D-Tek comes bowed already.
if this block had a center support it wouldnt need a big convex forced in it.
(take a catchup bottle cap and press the center, no center support means it doesnt stay convex or even flat)
IanY, I am now! I'm also aware I have some more reading up on the subject to do, off I go :)
ziddey thats very interesting, I had planned to order some sandpaper up to 2500grit but will do some digging around and see what the experts are saying :)
That is very misleading... the dtek block is not bowed in the way swiftech bows the apogee... it is not due to an oversized o-ring it is more to do with the way the block bolts together - you can't bow or unbow the fuzion... yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by IanY
hmm, one can attempt to relap it (make it flat) like someone I know ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by nikhsub1
but there would be no return to a bowed state I guess
[sigh] on Friday I'll show you something...Quote:
Originally Posted by phelan1777
lol did anyone notice that the review was from 7 years ago( for a slot1/ slocket setup)
Yes...Quote:
Originally Posted by _G_
Now imagine a fuzion going back in time...(OMG!!! MY TEMPS DROPPED 10C AFTER I SWITCHED FROM MY ALUMINUM HOMEMADE BLOCK!!!)
Ok so you make fun of someone pioneering watercooling 7 years ago before you even knew what a computer was when if it wasn't for those people no one would be watercooling AND you're also making your own block. Oh boy I can't wait to see the lack of ghetto in your design.