The Maximus Formula Thread - Help/OCing/Guide/Rampage conversion

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Originally Posted by jVIDIA

So 0308 really is better than 0401 ? Cant find a link to 0308 bios .... can someone point me to it ? ;)

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are these the same exact ROM files used from ASUS either FTP or official site? I only see bETA v401 for FR so far. Can I just get it from there so I dont have to go through the "20" trys to get the "cats" thing right. Can we actually use the FR official (current) to still be better then MF final?

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Originally Posted by aicjofs

For loadline enabled I get this on 2 different boards

qx6700 at 3.8-3.6Ghz on Maximus around .01

qx9650 at 4.5Ghz on Maximus SE around .02 to .025, which is a little more then I like normally, however since the 45nm is less tolerant of voltage I don't mind a little droop to prevent overshoot returning from load to idle.

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I dont understand the big fuss over vdroop modding on these recent ASUS Mobo's , All mine do 0 loadline if not a tad vbost on certian PLL & FSBT combos.

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Originally Posted by eSp!s0

Isn`t it P45!? Or did you make a joke? XS.de would be great :D
http://www.hartware.de/news_44728.html

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It vary well may be the new EP45, Gigabyte has theirs out so why not ASUS
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So from what I understand, is that of all the users on RF BIOS, none of them have a minute to just actually press the sleap button and see if it just works? Lol! Way too many things going on I guess. Believe me, if I get a day to mess with it, it'll be the very 1st thing I test.

So what about the P5E3 Premium BIOS on the Maximus? Since it offers dual CPU GTL_Ref, do we get use of it if flashed?

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Originally Posted by eSp!s0

Isn`t it P45!? Or did you make a joke? XS.de would be great :D
http://www.hartware.de/news_44728.html

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Sorry my bad I was looking at a DFI UT X48 at the same time, had X48 on the brain:shakes:

16 Phase seems killa, but I'd rather wait for X58... slated for Q4 2008; say hello to LGA1366:

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...d.php?t=187206

ive been looking @ my board, read through all the tech manuals... i cant seem to find the flux capacitor :shrug:

god im bored. sorry for the spam.

I should have a swedish keyboard. But nvm, I flashed to 1201 instead. Now I will see if I remember how much voltage my CPU needs at 3.71 Ghz, hmmm...

Before I move the RF hacked BIOS bETA test. I want to know what my current trd level is. Is there any Windows based app to identify and display the MCH and RAM sub timings? If I use Memtset, can it be booted and run from USB?

Man this is really annoying......since I flashed to the Rampage I intermittently fail to POST on completely OCCT blended stable settings..........I have to clear the CMOS, flash my settilngs using OC Profile, then boot. I have to do this on almost EVERY reboot.
My sensors seem to bug out after a certain amount of time too...I monitor them on a G15 LCD using Everest, and the NB temp will go to 0 or -64, and all of the CPU cores will cease to yield temps.........this never happened on the Maximus either.

Anyone experience this?
I may have to forgo the small bandwidth/latency gain for ease of operation.........and flash back to the Maximus.....

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Originally Posted by Nuckin_Futs

Before I move the RF hacked BIOS bETA test. I want to know what my current trd level is. Is there any Windows based app to identify and display the MCH and RAM sub timings? If I use Memtset, can it be booted and run from USB?

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everest will do it.

under motherboard/chipset.. trd is "performance level" in everest as well.

So who is using the Rampage hack w/ a dual core and limited 8x multi? I see already it's great for the Q6600, but what can be gained for my E6750 at 480FSB? What is a reasonable trd to expect to get stable? Who is having any luck w/ the 266 strap & 4:5 divider while at 480FSB for 1204MHz DRAM? (BETA BIOS v1004). I think I'm ready to give it a try, the RAMPAGE Experience.

Up to 450 was easy with 266 strap & 4:5 and also 3:4/strap 400 for ddr1200.
At this fsb the best bet is you current 333strap & 5:6 or you can lower the tRD to 8/disabled for 266 strap & ddr1200

Earlier I've mentioned that both MF1201 and RF0401 never have gave me DET RAM hang issue like in any of the previous MF/RF bioses, but now I'm facing a new problem which is that my system is having a hard time passing Prime Blend for more than 30min ~ 1 hr at FSB 470 * 8. It seems the new bios likes more volts to attain stability under Prime Blend. This is my experience after 2 days of testing.

It's great that DET RAM hang issue is 100.00% completely gone in the new bios but I can't retain my previous highest stable OC setting (check my sig).

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Originally Posted by Nuckin_Futs

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Originally Posted by aicjofs
For loadline enabled I get this on 2 different boards

qx6700 at 3.8-3.6Ghz on Maximus around .01

qx9650 at 4.5Ghz on Maximus SE around .02 to .025, which is a little more then I like normally, however since the 45nm is less tolerant of voltage I don't mind a little droop to prevent overshoot returning from load to idle.

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I dont understand the big fuss over vdroop modding on these recent ASUS Mobo's , All mine do 0 loadline if not a tad vbost on certian PLL & FSBT combos.

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Haha..why did you quote my text I wasn't the one who wanted a droop mod, I just answered a question. In fact a few post before the text you quoted here I said "I find load line calibration enabled adequate myself". Weird...:p:

So, I take it in Everest thr trd is the performance level? I dont see anything for trd in everest. I read a lot of peepz showing how manual control of trd can help for low FSB of 400~450. but whay about muti limited CPs on the 8x? Is trd8 @ 480x8 in 5;6 DDR1153 really that less then my Q6600 w/ trd6 @ 425x9 @ 3:4 DDR1133.

So what can the E6750 benifit from in using the Rampage BIOS if anything then S3 (if it works)? Is trd7 at 480 on 333 strap gonna allow for any less vdimm or just require more vMCH? How do I know when and where to tweak pull ins and outs for stability, opposed to scores?

Any answer on the P5E3 Premium hack? The dual CPU GTL (CPU GTL_Ref 1&2 + 3&4) would really help out with higher quad OC.

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Originally Posted by binormalkilla

Man this is really annoying......since I flashed to the Rampage I intermittently fail to POST on completely OCCT blended stable settings..........I have to clear the CMOS, flash my settilngs using OC Profile, then boot. I have to do this on almost EVERY reboot.
My sensors seem to bug out after a certain amount of time too...I monitor them on a G15 LCD using Everest, and the NB temp will go to 0 or -64, and all of the CPU cores will cease to yield temps.........this never happened on the Maximus either.

Anyone experience this?
I may have to forgo the small bandwidth/latency gain for ease of operation.........and flash back to the Maximus.....

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When running my Wolfdale I never had this issue I went as hight as 525FSB with it.
This new quad I get it all the time NB is at 0c or -65.
CPU cores dont seem to be an issue for me. I to am thinking on a flash back to Maximus, just not looking to redo my os if it is required.
While I like the "Rampage Experience" I am not 100% convinced it is all that it should be and with borked sensors it is only making it worse.

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Originally Posted by Grnfinger

When running my Wolfdale I never had this issue I went as hight as 525FSB with it.
This new quad I get it all the time NB is at 0c or -65.
CPU cores dont seem to be an issue for me. I to am thinking on a flash back to Maximus, just not looking to redo my os if it is required.
While I like the "Rampage Experience" I am not 100% convinced it is all that it should be and with borked sensors it is only making it worse.

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thats strange... my sensors only go nuts when prime95 + everest is running. if i have just prime95 + asus pc probe going they dont go fladgibbery.

Makes it hard to trust the reported temps when sensors are borked, am I 62c full load? or is it higher?, but with a PA120.3 and ambiant air @ a cool 17c I would think the temps would be alot lower seeing as I'm only pumping 1.38 volts to the quad

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Originally Posted by Grnfinger

Makes it hard to trust the reported temps when sensors are borked, am I 62c full load? or is it higher?, but with a PA120.3 and ambiant air @ a cool 17c I would think the temps would be alot lower seeing as I'm only pumping 1.38 volts to the quad

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what are you using to report temps? realtemp will be 5c less than coretemp on q6600. and the only sensors that can be effected by bios changes would be the motherboard sensors. 62c full load is probably right dependant on how high your fans are running. in comparison, my cpu hits 65 at 1.55 full load, but then again im using 110cfm fans push pull and 3 radiators.

want to sell your e8400? im in the market :)

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Originally Posted by Grnfinger

When running my Wolfdale I never had this issue I went as hight as 525FSB with it.
This new quad I get it all the time NB is at 0c or -65.
CPU cores dont seem to be an issue for me. I to am thinking on a flash back to Maximus, just not looking to redo my os if it is required.
While I like the "Rampage Experience" I am not 100% convinced it is all that it should be and with borked sensors it is only making it worse.

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I agree.....borked sensors SUUUUUUCK! I'm flashing the latest Maximus BIOS right now. My CPU temps are the same though, as this shouldn't really be affected.....

I haven't installed Asus PC Probe since I redid my OS...

I guess it would be good to monitor certain temps and volts, but shouldn't Everest do fine with that?

Also, I haven't been using it for very long and I just established my stable OC, but I haven't had any problems with the RF 0308 bios and not booting.

I don't reboot very often though.

So u guys think its still worth buying ASUS Maximus Formula ? i am thinking about it and would get it for around $180 , i am plaaning to go X38 to try out crossfire ( 2x 3870 ) :shrug: and perhaps buy some new ati cards in the summer for even quadfire who knows but i just cant decide is the board worth it

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Originally Posted by ZenEffect

what are you using to report temps? realtemp will be 5c less than coretemp on q6600. and the only sensors that can be effected by bios changes would be the motherboard sensors. 62c full load is probably right dependant on how high your fans are running. in comparison, my cpu hits 65 at 1.55 full load, but then again im using 110cfm fans push pull and 3 radiators.

want to sell your e8400? im in the market :)

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Right now I run 3 Vantec 120mm Stealth fans on my PA120.3 They are 53cfm fans running at 7 volts for quiet. I can turn up the juice to 12 volts and the temps drop about 7c but they only run full when benching.
I use Everest to monitor temps.

I'll drop you a pm on the Wolfdale, I'm not sure if I want to keep it or send it to a happy home. It is really a super chip:D

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Originally Posted by binormalkilla

I agree.....borked sensors SUUUUUUCK! I'm flashing the latest Maximus BIOS right now. My CPU temps are the same though, as this shouldn't really be affected.....

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Keep us posted on 1201, I'm thinking on trying it out

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Originally Posted by Grnfinger

I'll drop you a pm on the Wolfdale, I'm not sure if I want to keep it or send it to a happy home. It is really a super chip:D

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:D
let me know, im getting another mobo (dfi x48-tr2, coming on tuesday)
p45 is not appealing to me w/ 8x + 8x crossfire

at that time i will probably rma my maximus and sell it. (3.3 volt was going to 3.2 now 3.18 so motherboard degredation is apparent... time to flash back to maximus)

or mabye it will go in my girlfriends computer to replace her ip-35 pro (she is looking to crossfire her 3850)

You know, I see a lot of people using 1.5+ volts for the northbridge with this motherboard. I did some tests over the past day or two and it seems like with a fsb of 400, I am stable with 1.31 bios 1.33 actual northbridge core voltage with two sticks of ram. Anyone else see this?

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Originally Posted by speedfreak86

You know, I see a lot of people using 1.5+ volts for the northbridge with this motherboard. I did some tests over the past day or two and it seems like with a fsb of 400, I am stable with 1.31 bios 1.33 actual northbridge core voltage with two sticks of ram. Anyone else see this?

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its not uncommon. although those of us that use 1.5+ volts use 450+ fsb.

I was running 1.61v NB at 450x8 and it started to be a little unstable now and then. I actually just decreased the NB to 1.47 and now it's stable. I could probably go even lower. I think people just naturally give the x38 more than it actually needs. I'm guessing I could have stablized 1.61v with a different GTL reference voltage, but why bother when lower voltage works fine!